Are you ready to register your aircraft?
11-16-2015, 06:33 AM
#1376
And I think therein lies the problem. The real pros at this make sure the language leaves as little room for interpretation as possible, thereby reducing the agency's "gray area" in which to build regulations. Section 336 made all sorts of use of the term hobby and CBO, but what it lacked was the language that "hobby aircraft, as defined in this section, shall not be regulated as aircraft as defined in the FARs." That simple clause or something similar would likely have avoided all this. But what happened instead was some depended upon the FAA having the same definition of "hobby" as the writer of the language in the law. In the end, it left a lot of gray area for the FAA to interpret, which they did.
You are implying that the AMA made a mistake. I do not believe they did, they intended the modern drone be part of recreational sUAV (not drone). In fact the AMA has embraced them. IMO rightly so.
11-16-2015, 06:37 AM
#1377
11-16-2015, 06:43 AM
#1378
there is a line in that bill that says, paraphrased:
nothing in the bill should be construed as limiting the ability to make and enforce limits on activity which hampers/affects safety in the nas.
that is the opening for registration requirement.
and the language in the bill only applying to the FAA, and not to the DOT itself, or anyone else for that matter..
nothing in the bill should be construed as limiting the ability to make and enforce limits on activity which hampers/affects safety in the nas.
that is the opening for registration requirement.
and the language in the bill only applying to the FAA, and not to the DOT itself, or anyone else for that matter..
11-16-2015, 06:54 AM
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Government thinks time spent registering is time not flying, so the skies might be a little safer? Think some PSA's(public service announcements)might be more helpful, especially around the Christmas season, about the dangers of operating drones recklessly. Then of course there is the tough question, what to do about the IDIOTS?
11-16-2015, 06:55 AM
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Government thinks time spent registering is time not flying, so the skies might be a little safer? Think some PSA's(public service announcements)might be more helpful, especially around the Christmas season, about the dangers of operating drones recklessly. Then of course there is the tough question, what to do about the IDIOTS?
11-16-2015, 07:02 AM
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Only a few more day's to Friday's announcement of just what the "recommendations" will be. We had rain here yesterday so no flying. I spent the day cleaning the bench for a 1/4 SE5A build. Ahh the smell of a balsa kit.
Mike
Mike
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11-16-2015, 10:58 AM
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Got lucky this weekend weather wise...flew at a fly in in NY...on top of a big hill, 25-35mph gusts all day. Slope soared my Multiplex Mentor as well as my Hobby King EDF Vampire...funny to watch that one stay in one place suspended in the air, or going backwards. Not many days left to fly in the North East.
Any idea what time the announcement is on Friday?
Any idea what time the announcement is on Friday?
11-16-2015, 02:11 PM
#1385
11-16-2015, 02:13 PM
#1386
Got lucky this weekend weather wise...flew at a fly in in NY...on top of a big hill, 25-35mph gusts all day. Slope soared my Multiplex Mentor as well as my Hobby King EDF Vampire...funny to watch that one stay in one place suspended in the air, or going backwards. Not many days left to fly in the North East.
Any idea what time the announcement is on Friday?
Any idea what time the announcement is on Friday?
11-16-2015, 02:27 PM
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11-16-2015, 02:32 PM
#1389
Only in the sense that they were naive and did not fully understand (inexperienced) that despite the language in the law, there was ample room for adverse interpretation by the FAA.
11-16-2015, 02:35 PM
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11-16-2015, 02:58 PM
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https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?ne...4245&cid=TW369
This should answer a previous query posted somewhere above. The thread has become so bloated by 'noise' from a certain quarter (of all posts) that I'm not going to bother looking for it.
This should answer a previous query posted somewhere above. The thread has become so bloated by 'noise' from a certain quarter (of all posts) that I'm not going to bother looking for it.
11-16-2015, 03:09 PM
#1392
11-16-2015, 06:15 PM
#1393
You were not in the room to say they didn't write, as was I not in the room to say they did. However, being intimately with the legislative process in so far as I worked directly with staff on a specific item in an appropriations bill:
(1) I know the staff typically looks to the lobbyist for language to include.
(2) AMA took credit for getting it in there, and I don't often see folks taking credit for things they don't like / don't want. So if they didn't write it, they sure seemed happy with it (see below).
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"Last week, Congress passed the first FAA Reauthorization bill in more than four years. The Bill included a special provision for model aircraft protecting it from FAA regulations.
Signed last night by President Obama, the special provision in the Bill recognizes community-based safety programming as an effective means of managing the modeling activity. The model aircraft section establishes minimum criteria for safe aeromodeling operations and specifically directs the FAA to not enact rules for modeling activity conducted within the safety programming of a nationwide community-based organization.
The culmination of AMA’s efforts over the past four years in achieving this recognition and obtaining the legislative safeguard is a great accomplishment for the aeromodeling community. This recognition will help with our continuing efforts with the FAA to improve safety in the national airspace."
( http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...des-protection )
(1) I know the staff typically looks to the lobbyist for language to include.
(2) AMA took credit for getting it in there, and I don't often see folks taking credit for things they don't like / don't want. So if they didn't write it, they sure seemed happy with it (see below).
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"Last week, Congress passed the first FAA Reauthorization bill in more than four years. The Bill included a special provision for model aircraft protecting it from FAA regulations.
Signed last night by President Obama, the special provision in the Bill recognizes community-based safety programming as an effective means of managing the modeling activity. The model aircraft section establishes minimum criteria for safe aeromodeling operations and specifically directs the FAA to not enact rules for modeling activity conducted within the safety programming of a nationwide community-based organization.
The culmination of AMA’s efforts over the past four years in achieving this recognition and obtaining the legislative safeguard is a great accomplishment for the aeromodeling community. This recognition will help with our continuing efforts with the FAA to improve safety in the national airspace."
( http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...des-protection )
11-16-2015, 08:24 PM
#1397
You were not in the room to say they didn't write, as was I not in the room to say they did. However, being intimately with the legislative process in so far as I worked directly with staff on a specific item in an appropriations bill:
(1) I know the staff typically looks to the lobbyist for language to include.
(2) AMA took credit for getting it in there, and I don't often see folks taking credit for things they don't like / don't want. So if they didn't write it, they sure seemed happy with it (see below).
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"Last week, Congress passed the first FAA Reauthorization bill in more than four years. The Bill included a special provision for model aircraft protecting it from FAA regulations.
Signed last night by President Obama, the special provision in the Bill recognizes community-based safety programming as an effective means of managing the modeling activity. The model aircraft section establishes minimum criteria for safe aeromodeling operations and specifically directs the FAA to not enact rules for modeling activity conducted within the safety programming of a nationwide community-based organization.
The culmination of AMA’s efforts over the past four years in achieving this recognition and obtaining the legislative safeguard is a great accomplishment for the aeromodeling community. This recognition will help with our continuing efforts with the FAA to improve safety in the national airspace."
( http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...des-protection )
(1) I know the staff typically looks to the lobbyist for language to include.
(2) AMA took credit for getting it in there, and I don't often see folks taking credit for things they don't like / don't want. So if they didn't write it, they sure seemed happy with it (see below).
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"Last week, Congress passed the first FAA Reauthorization bill in more than four years. The Bill included a special provision for model aircraft protecting it from FAA regulations.
Signed last night by President Obama, the special provision in the Bill recognizes community-based safety programming as an effective means of managing the modeling activity. The model aircraft section establishes minimum criteria for safe aeromodeling operations and specifically directs the FAA to not enact rules for modeling activity conducted within the safety programming of a nationwide community-based organization.
The culmination of AMA’s efforts over the past four years in achieving this recognition and obtaining the legislative safeguard is a great accomplishment for the aeromodeling community. This recognition will help with our continuing efforts with the FAA to improve safety in the national airspace."
( http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...des-protection )
11-16-2015, 09:05 PM
#1399
11-17-2015, 02:38 AM
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...29+00583%29%29
It looks like he had three amendments to the bill, the AMA's was just one of them.
http://www.inhofe.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/inhofe-welcomes-passage-of-federal-aviation-bill
Last edited by franklin_m; 11-17-2015 at 03:01 AM. Reason: removed incorrect last sentence