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11-18-2015, 08:06 PM
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From the FAA:
FAA: Think Twice about “Drone Registration” Firms
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) wants unmanned aircraft owners to know that there’s no need to work with a “drone registration” company to help them file an application for a registration number.
Owners should wait until additional details about the forthcoming drone registration system are announced later this month before paying anyone to do the work for them.
The Task Force assigned to provide FAA Administrator Michael Huerta with recommendations on the registration process is still days away from delivering this information. But at least one company is already offering to help people register their drones for a fee.
Speaking to the Task Force two weeks ago, Administrator Huerta told the group to provide guidance on a streamlined unmanned aircraft registration process that will be simple and easy to complete, and which types of UAS would need to be registered and which would not. The Task Force agreed and is working on recommendations for a system that is similar to registering any newly purchased product with its manufacturer as well as a minimum weight for unmanned aircraft that must be registered.
Drone owners should visit FAA.gov for official updates on the unmanned aircraft registry.
FAA: Think Twice about “Drone Registration” Firms
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) wants unmanned aircraft owners to know that there’s no need to work with a “drone registration” company to help them file an application for a registration number.
Owners should wait until additional details about the forthcoming drone registration system are announced later this month before paying anyone to do the work for them.
The Task Force assigned to provide FAA Administrator Michael Huerta with recommendations on the registration process is still days away from delivering this information. But at least one company is already offering to help people register their drones for a fee.
Speaking to the Task Force two weeks ago, Administrator Huerta told the group to provide guidance on a streamlined unmanned aircraft registration process that will be simple and easy to complete, and which types of UAS would need to be registered and which would not. The Task Force agreed and is working on recommendations for a system that is similar to registering any newly purchased product with its manufacturer as well as a minimum weight for unmanned aircraft that must be registered.
Drone owners should visit FAA.gov for official updates on the unmanned aircraft registry.
FAA: Think Twice about “Drone Registration” Firms
Like they don't have bigger fish to fry...how about they do the work they have been assigned to do, and meet the guidelines that they were supposed to meet...rather than interfering in what might be a start up company offering a service. Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone going to some third party company to register their drone (if that what is required), but if they chose to do so, so what? Why would the FAA feel the need to give consumer advice. If it's legal, it should be none of their business.
Like they don't have bigger fish to fry...how about they do the work they have been assigned to do, and meet the guidelines that they were supposed to meet...rather than interfering in what might be a start up company offering a service. Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone going to some third party company to register their drone (if that what is required), but if they chose to do so, so what? Why would the FAA feel the need to give consumer advice. If it's legal, it should be none of their business.
I hate to say it, but I admire the FAA for making this statement. The few minutes it took to type up this notice did not detract from the task at hand. If this saves just a few people from paying a company $25 to type a few things into a website for them, then it's worth the effort. The FAA is doing the right thing in this particular case.
Then again, I have a busted watch that is correct two times a day.
More info:
FAA Warns Against Drone Registration Services- Dronelife.com
...A Pilot number engraved on every Quad U own makes much more sense. Now if U were issued ONE Federal number or AMA number and it was required to be on the craft (When Flying) it makes much more sense to me than giving any and every sUAS it's own number Then trackng the individual flying it by that number. What if U sell it who is responsible to make sure it is reregistered. . I don't know about anyone here but I can fly only one plane at a time anyway. May be 2 or 3 Quads though. don't know...
11-18-2015, 08:10 PM
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My guess is that the AMA, and therefore all AMA chartered fields will require all pilots to comply with the FAA's registration rules. Allowing models to fly illegally at an established site may expose the land owners, the club, its officers, and the AMA to legal liability.
11-18-2015, 10:24 PM
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My guess is that the AMA, and therefore all AMA chartered fields will require all pilots to comply with the FAA's registration rules. Allowing models to fly illegally at an established site may expose the land owners, the club, its officers, and the AMA to legal liability.
11-19-2015, 04:11 AM
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My guess is that the AMA, and therefore all AMA chartered fields will require all pilots to comply with the FAA's registration rules. Allowing models to fly illegally at an established site may expose the land owners, the club, its officers, and the AMA to legal liability.
.Tomorrow we should have a idea just what and how this whole deal will pan out. Right now we are all just speculating.
Mike
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11-19-2015, 05:12 AM
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My guess is that the AMA, and therefore all AMA chartered fields will require all pilots to comply with the FAA's registration rules. Allowing models to fly illegally at an established site may expose the land owners, the club, its officers, and the AMA to legal liability.
11-19-2015, 05:46 AM
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11-19-2015, 06:01 AM
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If we want to continue to fly, law abiding citizens will comply with whatever directive is put forth.
There were 689,527 auto thefts in 2014. (see https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-vehicle-theft )
We already have mandatory registration of vehicles. Perhaps the greatest benefit is taxes collected through mandatory registration. I would not venture to guess that these so called measures may be another way to collect taxes. Recreational vehicles are considered luxury items.
If someone wants to use a FPV drone to compromise national or industrial security or down a passenger aircraft, registration will not resolve that. There is also nothing to prevent someone from stealing their registration number and using it on a drone.
I'm sure registration would have prevented this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gilbert_Graham
(Sorry, LOL, couldn't help myself.
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There were 689,527 auto thefts in 2014. (see https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-vehicle-theft )
We already have mandatory registration of vehicles. Perhaps the greatest benefit is taxes collected through mandatory registration. I would not venture to guess that these so called measures may be another way to collect taxes. Recreational vehicles are considered luxury items.
If someone wants to use a FPV drone to compromise national or industrial security or down a passenger aircraft, registration will not resolve that. There is also nothing to prevent someone from stealing their registration number and using it on a drone.
I'm sure registration would have prevented this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gilbert_Graham
(Sorry, LOL, couldn't help myself.
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11-19-2015, 06:38 AM
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If we want to continue to fly, law abiding citizens will comply with whatever directive is put forth.
There were 689,527 auto thefts in 2014. (see https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-vehicle-theft )
We already have mandatory registration of vehicles. Perhaps the greatest benefit is taxes collected through mandatory registration. I would not venture to guess that these so called measures may be another way to collect taxes. Recreational vehicles are considered luxury items.
If someone wants to use a FPV drone to compromise national or industrial security or down a passenger aircraft, registration will not resolve that. There is also nothing to prevent someone from stealing their registration number and using it on a drone.
I'm sure registration would have prevented this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gilbert_Graham
(Sorry, LOL, couldn't help myself. )
There were 689,527 auto thefts in 2014. (see https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-vehicle-theft )
We already have mandatory registration of vehicles. Perhaps the greatest benefit is taxes collected through mandatory registration. I would not venture to guess that these so called measures may be another way to collect taxes. Recreational vehicles are considered luxury items.
If someone wants to use a FPV drone to compromise national or industrial security or down a passenger aircraft, registration will not resolve that. There is also nothing to prevent someone from stealing their registration number and using it on a drone.
I'm sure registration would have prevented this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gilbert_Graham
(Sorry, LOL, couldn't help myself.
)U R Preaching to the choir here, but government officials don't sing the same tunes the choir (Normal air breathing citizens) sing. The really don't think like normal human beings. I don't care at what level these Government officials/committees are, For some reason once elected or appointed they loose all touch with reality. Like your example of car theft, Registration doesn't prevent crime. If registration did work to deter crime (bad behavior) then gun registration would stop murders, bank robberies, and other gun related crime.
It's just a fact of life. We can only hope for something we can live with.
11-19-2015, 06:45 AM
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Allowing models to fly illegally at an established site may expose the land owners, the club, its officers, and the AMA to legal liability.
11-19-2015, 08:26 AM
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That doesn't make any sense at all. IMHO the main reason for registration, aside from identification, is to be able to slap some simple fines/charges on those who don't comply. Perhaps as a means to instill the significance of safe flying and following the rules. Much easier to prosecute non-registration than big complex charges that require lots of investigation and resources which the FAA doesn't have.
11-19-2015, 09:00 AM
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That doesn't make any sense at all. IMHO the main reason for registration, aside from identification, is to be able to slap some simple fines/charges on those who don't comply. Perhaps as a means to instill the significance of safe flying and following the rules. Much easier to prosecute non-registration than big complex charges that require lots of investigation and resources which the FAA doesn't have.
11-19-2015, 09:28 AM
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This is being posted on another site. No clue how accurate , still no definition of what needs to be "registered"
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...end-2015-11-18
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...end-2015-11-18
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11-19-2015, 09:31 AM
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Let's say registration becomes mandatory. If I'm FAA and I want to drive a whole bunch of registrations in a hurry, say 187,000 for example, then I start making well publicized spot checks of AMA club fields and AMA sponsored events. Hand out few violations and word will travel quickly inside the AMA membership - taking them off the table as far as non-compliance problems.
If you're the FAA, why wouldn't you be out be out looking for offenders using the very analysis of reported sightings you collected? The analysis of reported sightings are those that contain the most potential safety risk as well as the most likely chance of the offender being someone who failed to register. Seems common sense that if the FAA wanted to make some examples out of folks as well as demonstrate the importance of their registration process (which I'm sure they're eager to toot their own horn) they'd go after the highest value targets first. Makes for great media attention as well.
11-19-2015, 09:36 AM
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As a taxpayer, I'd say more government waste as usual. Some AMA club fields are deserted, especially in the northern states this time of year. And more waste because AMA members/clubs have done a good job of following the requirements with a proven history.
If you're the FAA, why wouldn't you be out be out looking for offenders using the very analysis of reported sightings you collected? The analysis of reported sightings are those that contain the most potential safety risk as well as the most likely chance of the offender being someone who failed to register. Seems common sense that if the FAA wanted to make some examples out of folks as well as demonstrate the importance of their registration process (which I'm sure they're eager to toot their own horn) they'd go after the highest value targets first. Makes for great media attention as well.
If you're the FAA, why wouldn't you be out be out looking for offenders using the very analysis of reported sightings you collected? The analysis of reported sightings are those that contain the most potential safety risk as well as the most likely chance of the offender being someone who failed to register. Seems common sense that if the FAA wanted to make some examples out of folks as well as demonstrate the importance of their registration process (which I'm sure they're eager to toot their own horn) they'd go after the highest value targets first. Makes for great media attention as well.
Mike
11-19-2015, 09:37 AM
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This is being posted on another site. No clue how accurate , still no definition of what needs to be "registered"
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...end-2015-11-18
Mike
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...end-2015-11-18
Mike
11-19-2015, 09:52 AM
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As a taxpayer, I'd say more government waste as usual. Some AMA club fields are deserted, especially in the northern states this time of year. And more waste because AMA members/clubs have done a good job of following the requirements with a proven history.
If you're the FAA, why wouldn't you be out be out looking for offenders using the very analysis of reported sightings you collected? The analysis of reported sightings are those that contain the most potential safety risk as well as the most likely chance of the offender being someone who failed to register. Seems common sense that if the FAA wanted to make some examples out of folks as well as demonstrate the importance of their registration process (which I'm sure they're eager to toot their own horn) they'd go after the highest value targets first. Makes for great media attention as well.
If you're the FAA, why wouldn't you be out be out looking for offenders using the very analysis of reported sightings you collected? The analysis of reported sightings are those that contain the most potential safety risk as well as the most likely chance of the offender being someone who failed to register. Seems common sense that if the FAA wanted to make some examples out of folks as well as demonstrate the importance of their registration process (which I'm sure they're eager to toot their own horn) they'd go after the highest value targets first. Makes for great media attention as well.
I'm confident that the FAA can figure out which clubs are operating during what time of the year. I'm also confident that they can walk and crew gum at the same time, so they can make examples out of notworthy folks as they occur, but that's waiting for something to happen vice taking the initiative. Personally, I hope they crush people who don't register. As for taking the initiative, and drive compliance in a hurry by a big segment of operators, spot checking events / clubs would be a good method (ok, let's say in the south or southwest this time of the year).
11-19-2015, 10:16 AM
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You really love a large, controlling, intrusive Gov't it seems. I don't get it, and I don't want any part of it.
I can tell you this; the only way I register or get a license is if it means I can fly my fpv plane non-los. If not, they can take a hike. I already fly ALL my other rc aircraft in accordance with the AMA safety code, so nothing registering /licensing is going to do to make me any safer.
We shall see tomorrow.
I can tell you this; the only way I register or get a license is if it means I can fly my fpv plane non-los. If not, they can take a hike. I already fly ALL my other rc aircraft in accordance with the AMA safety code, so nothing registering /licensing is going to do to make me any safer.
We shall see tomorrow.
11-19-2015, 10:29 AM
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I'm confident that the FAA can figure out which clubs are operating during what time of the year. I'm also confident that they can walk and crew gum at the same time, so they can make examples out of notworthy folks as they occur, but that's waiting for something to happen vice taking the initiative. Personally, I hope they crush people who don't register. As for taking the initiative, and drive compliance in a hurry by a big segment of operators, spot checking events / clubs would be a good method (ok, let's say in the south or southwest this time of the year).
Little Johnny: Daddy, why are they taking you away?
Dad: I didn't register my 250 racing quad son.
Little Johhny: How long will you be gone daddy?
Dad: Should only be a couple years in jail son.
FAA violator crushing thug: shut up you infidel!! Kicks dad.
Little Johnny: Crying
Freaking reefer madness all over again! People are actually still so brainwashed and stupid they think Cannabis is an evil gateway drug; while buying their bottle of Jack and Vodka of course! You just cannot make this level of stupid up! I have zero faith left in humanity or our society.
11-19-2015, 10:42 AM
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It appears as if the FAA is going to mirror the AMA systems and assign a uniques number to a person rather than to each and every "drone". This makes sense from both a mathematical and administrative point of view.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
11-19-2015, 10:49 AM
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I'm confident that the FAA can figure out which clubs are operating during what time of the year. I'm also confident that they can walk and crew gum at the same time, so they can make examples out of notworthy folks as they occur, but that's waiting for something to happen vice taking the initiative. Personally, I hope they crush people who don't register. As for taking the initiative, and drive compliance in a hurry by a big segment of operators, spot checking events / clubs would be a good method (ok, let's say in the south or southwest this time of the year).
11-19-2015, 10:53 AM
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It appears as if the FAA is going to mirror the AMA systems and assign a uniques number to a person rather than to each and every "drone". This makes sense from both a mathematical and administrative point of view.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
11-19-2015, 11:15 AM
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I'm confident that the FAA can figure out which clubs are operating during what time of the year. I'm also confident that they can walk and crew gum at the same time, so they can make examples out of notworthy folks as they occur, but that's waiting for something to happen vice taking the initiative. Personally, I hope they crush people who don't register. As for taking the initiative, and drive compliance in a hurry by a big segment of operators, spot checking events / clubs would be a good method (ok, let's say in the south or southwest this time of the year).
11-19-2015, 11:18 AM
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It's not about confidence, it's about results. You completed your own analysis based on the FAA data of drone sightings. If your own analysis doesn't tell you where to go to work then that doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your analysis or desire to get results. Perhaps it's just a bias for government to harass AMA members while ignoring the real safety threats? Maybe we need to bring in a government watchdog for overreaching incompetence.
11-19-2015, 11:27 AM
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It appears as if the FAA is going to mirror the AMA systems and assign a uniques number to a person rather than to each and every "drone". This makes sense from both a mathematical and administrative point of view.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/drone-registration-will-be-tied-to-person-not-drone-faa-task-force-to-recommend-2015-11-18
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_of_cash.html