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11-20-2015, 06:17 AM
#1602
Well, then you've hit on an idea to save states tons of money. No need to retain driving records. While you're at it, why retain history on people with licenses to operate nuclear facilities? Or drive large vehicles? I'm sure the FAA can save money too, for they no longer need to keep track of pilot flight violation history. All because, as you've said "if someone had their license pulled once before but got it back, you're "not sure what someone would do with that information, or why they would need it."
11-20-2015, 06:20 AM
#1603
In many cases they are. But in some cases, the options are limited by collective bargaining agreements, HR policies, etc. What I can say though, is that if you don't have records, you can't even start a process. Also, when folks know that infractions can be part of a permanent record that follows them, it also has the effect of making them less likely to engage in the behavior in the first place. On the other hand, if they know the record is wiped clean every time....
11-20-2015, 06:22 AM
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Well, then you've hit on an idea to save states tons of money. No need to retain driving records. While you're at it, why retain history on people with licenses to operate nuclear facilities? Or drive large vehicles? I'm sure the FAA can save money too, for they no longer need to keep track of pilot flight violation history. All because, as you've said "if someone had their license pulled once before but got it back, you're "not sure what someone would do with that information, or why they would need it."
Haha....yes, perfectly legitimate comparison....nuclear operator, model airplane pilot. Oh my the hysteria we generate here to make a point. I do believe I have the vapors!
11-20-2015, 06:23 AM
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In many cases they are. But in some cases, the options are limited by collective bargaining agreements, HR policies, etc. What I can say though, is that if you don't have records, you can't even start a process. Also, when folks know that infractions can be part of a permanent record that follows them, it also has the effect of making them less likely to engage in the behavior in the first place. On the other hand, if they know the record is wiped clean every time....
11-20-2015, 06:31 AM
#1606
Given the size and speed of turbine models (Total Energy = Potential Energy + Kinetic Energy), the risk they pose is literally the same as vehicles operating on our roads. And I'd point out we keep records on the behavior of those "operators," and you presumably don't take issue with that, so why take issue with something that presents a similar risk due to size and speed, yet has none of the DOT required safety systems, a level of engineering noway near comparable to that in our vehicles, and assembled w/o nearly as many checks and balances, and without nearly as robust QA processes?
11-20-2015, 06:34 AM
#1607
Within reason that is true. But they also understand that if they never paid out there would be no reason to buy insurance. I have seen insurance pay claims I thought were dubious.
11-20-2015, 06:38 AM
#1608
When the history if not readily available (i.e. public), people cannot make informed decisions. A guy who shows up at a club field on a Sunday. He has a waiver. If someone wants to find out if they have a history, and thus warrant a more cautious approach, is AMA really going to respond on a Sunday? Doubt it. So the club makes a decision to allow flight based on incomplete information, and thus exposes people and property owners to risk to which they might not have been exposed had the club readily had the full history of the individual.
11-20-2015, 06:39 AM
#1609
Unfortunately, that theory is not supported among safety professionals in any number of industries, including aviation. Past behavior is a reliable indicator of future performance. It's the reason for driving records, criminal records, claims history, etc. There's simply too many examples out there supporting keeping records rather than wiping the slate clean each time.
11-20-2015, 06:46 AM
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11-20-2015, 06:48 AM
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Drunk Driving? Drunks with a history of multiple DWI/DUI convictions, never kill anybody? (sarcasm) Drivers with a history of moving violations, had a bicyclist killed recently by a young irresponsible driver well known to the local law enforcement community. I'll give people a second chance, not multiple chances. An airline pilot, train engineer, ship captain, etc. shows up intoxicated at work , FIRED- PERIOD, no second chances, the risk is too great.
11-20-2015, 06:50 AM
#1612
When the history if not readily available (i.e. public), people cannot make informed decisions. A guy who shows up at a club field on a Sunday. He has a waiver. If someone wants to find out if they have a history, and thus warrant a more cautious approach, is AMA really going to respond on a Sunday? Doubt it. So the club makes a decision to allow flight based on incomplete information, and thus exposes people and property owners to risk to which they might not have been exposed had the club readily had the full history of the individual.
11-20-2015, 06:55 AM
#1614
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
11-20-2015, 07:04 AM
#1615
So are you saying these sort of "nicks on an airplane" are, in your mind, acceptable? Clearly you've never had an engine come apart on you due to FOD damage (missing intake temperature probe, smaller in size / mass than a 450 size heli main shaft), and subsequent loss of auxiliary hydraulic systems, etc. All those chunks missing go somewhere...back through the rest of the engine into the hot section, where the blades are the size of a fingernail, easily broken, and then they depart the case much like shrapnel, potentially cutting fuel lines, hydraulic lines, tanks, accumulators, etc.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
11-20-2015, 07:25 AM
#1616
A bird with flesh and frangible bones less damage than a drone with steel and LiPo batteries? You have no understanding of physics, nor do you have an understand of how much of the risk posed by engine failures.
11-20-2015, 07:25 AM
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11-20-2015, 07:43 AM
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Many years ago even my Senior Kadet while on short final took a bird strike to its right wing. Landed it safely. Repaired a little damage and still have it in flyable condition.
11-20-2015, 07:47 AM
#1620
The airspace from the surface to 60000' is regulated and managed by the FAA. They decide what, who, and when it will fly around in it. When terrorist start using our hobby to achieve their means, then it will probably spell the end of our avocation. Therefore, I support the registering of model aircraft.
11-20-2015, 07:50 AM
#1621
Let's face it. A so called recreational multibladed drone or RC aircraft with first person video (FPV) is the only thing that can fly beyond recognizable sight limits. A visual flight oriented aircraft without FPV flown a reasonable distance away from airports is least likely to be a menace.
11-20-2015, 07:52 AM
#1622
Over a long aviation career, I've taken bird strikes to windshield, nose cones, wings and engines, and never once ended up in the Hudson River . I will not even go into lightening strikes, which can occur in clear sky, many, miles from any thunder storm.
Many years ago even my Senior Kadet while on short final took a bird strike to its right wing. Landed it safely. Repaired a little damage and still have it in flyable condition.
Many years ago even my Senior Kadet while on short final took a bird strike to its right wing. Landed it safely. Repaired a little damage and still have it in flyable condition.
11-20-2015, 08:03 AM
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11-20-2015, 08:07 AM
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So are you saying these sort of "nicks on an airplane" are, in your mind, acceptable? Clearly you've never had an engine come apart on you due to FOD damage (missing intake temperature probe, smaller in size / mass than a 450 size heli main shaft), and subsequent loss of auxiliary hydraulic systems, etc. All those chunks missing go somewhere...back through the rest of the engine into the hot section, where the blades are the size of a fingernail, easily broken, and then they depart the case much like shrapnel, potentially cutting fuel lines, hydraulic lines, tanks, accumulators, etc.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.