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11-23-2015, 03:14 PM
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11-23-2015, 03:16 PM
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Still not answering My question. At a AMA field, You have to buy AMA insurance. You can't fly there with any other. The question is that legally considered Anti-trust insurance monopolization? Because after today, if the rcommendations become law, CBO's mean nothing and, AMA will only be chartering fields and, selling insurance. Hope thats clear enough. Still looking for a legal answer. Maybe have to ask a professional legal counsel.
Mike
11-23-2015, 03:21 PM
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Still not answering My question. At a AMA field, You have to buy AMA insurance. You can't fly there with any other. The question is that legally considered Anti-trust insurance monopolization? Because after today, if the rcommendations become law, CBO's mean nothing and, AMA will only be chartering fields and, selling insurance. Hope thats clear enough. Still looking for a legal answer. Maybe have to ask a professional legal counsel.
Still say the answer is no. You don't technically "buy" insurance through the AMA, and certainly not at a field. Insurance is one of the benefits afforded to members as part of their dues and membership. You don't pick the carrier, or the limits, or the endorsements etc etc. It's something that's built into the membership, which is how I believe it to get around the concept of anti-trust. Also, nothing is stopping another organization from forming and doing their own thing.
My answer is cheap, expect a 2 hour minimum fee for a written opinion, between $600-1000 elsewhere
11-23-2015, 03:23 PM
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Who said you didn't already? I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Still say the answer is no. You don't technically "buy" insurance through the AMA, and certainly not at a field. Insurance is one of the benefits afforded to members as part of their dues and membership. You don't pick the carrier, or the limits, or the endorsements etc etc. It's something that's built into the membership, which is how I believe it to get around the concept of anti-trust. Also, nothing is stopping another organization from forming and doing their own thing.
My answer is cheap, expect a 2 hour minimum fee for a written opinion, between $600-1000 elsewhere
Still say the answer is no. You don't technically "buy" insurance through the AMA, and certainly not at a field. Insurance is one of the benefits afforded to members as part of their dues and membership. You don't pick the carrier, or the limits, or the endorsements etc etc. It's something that's built into the membership, which is how I believe it to get around the concept of anti-trust. Also, nothing is stopping another organization from forming and doing their own thing.
My answer is cheap, expect a 2 hour minimum fee for a written opinion, between $600-1000 elsewhere
Mike
11-23-2015, 03:29 PM
#1781
Still not answering My question. At a AMA field, You have to buy AMA insurance. You can't fly there with any other. The question is that legally considered Anti-trust insurance monopolization? Because after today, if the rcommendations become law, CBO's mean nothing and, AMA will only be chartering fields and, selling insurance. Hope thats clear enough. Still looking for a legal answer. Maybe have to ask a professional legal counsel.
11-23-2015, 03:30 PM
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Latest recommendation forwarded to FAA
Here is the latest info from the task force on their recommendations. Looks like anything over 250 grams and under 55 lbs will register for free, and 1 registration covers all the users aircraft. Grab a cup of coffee for this one
11-23-2015, 03:33 PM
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11-23-2015, 03:35 PM
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Feel free to reach out and ask them. The coverage is certainly a selling point. The cost to defend alone is worth the money, let alone the indemnity payment. There just might be other reasons, what are the chances? Forgot to mention...there are clubs out there that do not require insurance. or AMA
But what's the alternative...whats the sudden interest in "anti -trust" if perhaps just to have another thing to wonder/worry about about. What's the alternative...odd that there is no suggestion of something else. Did someone want to have AMA without insurance...or want another insurance company to provide the coverage.....curious on that.
But what's the alternative...whats the sudden interest in "anti -trust" if perhaps just to have another thing to wonder/worry about about. What's the alternative...odd that there is no suggestion of something else. Did someone want to have AMA without insurance...or want another insurance company to provide the coverage.....curious on that.
11-23-2015, 03:39 PM
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11-23-2015, 03:39 PM
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Who said you didn't already? I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Still say the answer is no. You don't technically "buy" insurance through the AMA, and certainly not at a field. Insurance is one of the benefits afforded to members as part of their dues and membership. You don't pick the carrier, or the limits, or the endorsements etc etc. It's something that's built into the membership, which is how I believe it to get around the concept of anti-trust. Also, nothing is stopping another organization from forming and doing their own thing.
My answer is cheap, expect a 2 hour minimum fee for a written opinion, between $600-1000 elsewhere
Still say the answer is no. You don't technically "buy" insurance through the AMA, and certainly not at a field. Insurance is one of the benefits afforded to members as part of their dues and membership. You don't pick the carrier, or the limits, or the endorsements etc etc. It's something that's built into the membership, which is how I believe it to get around the concept of anti-trust. Also, nothing is stopping another organization from forming and doing their own thing.
My answer is cheap, expect a 2 hour minimum fee for a written opinion, between $600-1000 elsewhere
11-23-2015, 03:42 PM
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Feel free to reach out and ask them. The coverage is certainly a selling point. The cost to defend alone is worth the money, let alone the indemnity payment. There just might be other reasons, what are the chances? Forgot to mention...there are clubs out there that do not require insurance. or AMA
But what's the alternative...whats the sudden interest in "anti -trust" if perhaps just to have another thing to wonder/worry about about. What's the alternative...odd that there is no suggestion of something else. Did someone want to have AMA without insurance...or want another insurance company to provide the coverage.....curious on that.
But what's the alternative...whats the sudden interest in "anti -trust" if perhaps just to have another thing to wonder/worry about about. What's the alternative...odd that there is no suggestion of something else. Did someone want to have AMA without insurance...or want another insurance company to provide the coverage.....curious on that.
Mike
11-23-2015, 04:04 PM
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11-23-2015, 04:12 PM
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11-23-2015, 04:24 PM
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. Wonder what ever happened to that survey they sent out about all this drone stuff and never made public? Might not have received the answers they were looking for?
Guess I should be happy I don't have to paint some ugly numbers on some of my scale stuff. I'll take that as a small victory.
Mike
11-23-2015, 04:34 PM
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Why would it be? I'll just stick a slip of paper with little number in my airplane and be done with it, but not till it's written in stone. Well done till the next change comes down the pipe with the AMA looking out for me it might be sooner than later. Maybe they'll think it out before jumping in with both feet next round
. Wonder what ever happened to that survey they sent out about all this drone stuff and never made public? Might not have received the answers they were looking for?
Guess I should be happy I don't have to paint some ugly numbers on some of my scale stuff. I'll take that as a small victory.
Mike
. Wonder what ever happened to that survey they sent out about all this drone stuff and never made public? Might not have received the answers they were looking for?
Guess I should be happy I don't have to paint some ugly numbers on some of my scale stuff. I'll take that as a small victory.
Mike
11-23-2015, 04:39 PM
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Dissenting Opinion? Huh?
Just found this in USATODAY.
"The Academy of Model Aeronautics, which represents 180,000 hobbyists nationwide and participated in the task force, wanted to file a dissenting opinion and was prevented from doing so, executive director Dave Mathewson said. Mathewson said factors other than weight should trigger the registration requirement, such as whether it could fly higher than the current 400-foot FAA limit.“Unfortunately the task force recommendations may ultimately prove untenable by requiring the registration of smaller devices that are essentially toys and do not represent safety concerns,” Mathewson said.
"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/23/faa-gets-recommendations-register-all-drones/76253444/"
Here are my questions.
Why was AMA prevented from filing a dissenting opinion?
Since it can't be filed... could the AMA post the dissent please?
What is preventing AMA from sending a letter to the Administrator?
My understanding is that the report was unanimous. They specifically said no dissents. FAA announced this morning.
Just wondering. Simple questions. Simple answers.
"The Academy of Model Aeronautics, which represents 180,000 hobbyists nationwide and participated in the task force, wanted to file a dissenting opinion and was prevented from doing so, executive director Dave Mathewson said. Mathewson said factors other than weight should trigger the registration requirement, such as whether it could fly higher than the current 400-foot FAA limit.“Unfortunately the task force recommendations may ultimately prove untenable by requiring the registration of smaller devices that are essentially toys and do not represent safety concerns,” Mathewson said.
"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/23/faa-gets-recommendations-register-all-drones/76253444/"
Here are my questions.
Why was AMA prevented from filing a dissenting opinion?
Since it can't be filed... could the AMA post the dissent please?
What is preventing AMA from sending a letter to the Administrator?
My understanding is that the report was unanimous. They specifically said no dissents. FAA announced this morning.
Just wondering. Simple questions. Simple answers.
11-23-2015, 04:40 PM
#1795
I see the use of quantitative calculations, speed of a falling object, terminal velocity vs. mass and relation to injury, probability of failures, etc. as a big step forward. As I've said elsewhere, some of these large and fast aircraft have energy equivalent to a car at neighborhood speeds. Looks like FAA is looking at those equations as well. Might result in some changes to standoff distances, velocity vector management in relation to crowds, etc. All a good thing to make sure we stay out of the headlines.
11-23-2015, 04:55 PM
#1796
Wheter or not legal or ethical, they do mandate that club members have it as a condition of providing insurance to the club and landowner. It can be overridden if a landowning public entity won't allow exclusion of public (those among them that don't belong to AMA), but you can bet the farm that isn't part of the pitch to the landowning entity made to secure use of the property as a model airplane flying site.
11-23-2015, 05:22 PM
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11-23-2015, 05:57 PM
#1799
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I see the use of quantitative calculations, speed of a falling object, terminal velocity vs. mass and relation to injury, probability of failures, etc. as a big step forward. As I've said elsewhere, some of these large and fast aircraft have energy equivalent to a car at neighborhood speeds. Looks like FAA is looking at those equations as well. Might result in some changes to standoff distances, velocity vector management in relation to crowds, etc. All a good thing to make sure we stay out of the headlines.
I go right into that mode. I wonder if any one of those participating members is going to try to mount a challenge to this.
