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11-23-2015, 06:18 PM
#1801
The recommendations set forth by the task force do not seem to be very restrictive at all. Not a deal-breaker for me at all, just a minor inconvenience.
The part that concerns me is how apparently little consideration was given to the AMA in the process. What happened to CBO status? The AMA was once a powerful lobby and (IMO) was the MAIN reason for being a member (remember the "frequency wars" with the FCC?). AMA insurance is secondary to insurance I already pay for, so that is certainly not a reason for me to be a member. The magazine is not that great, I get more pertinent, up-to-date and relevant information online for virtually nothing. Hmm....what's left?...NOT MUCH!!!
IMO, the damage that has been done to our hobby was done by lumping ALL (except for those under 250g!! LOL) sUAS together, AND that the AMA has seemingly lost the respect it once had in the legislative circles. SAD day, indeed!
I do have to give credit to the AMA for TRYING to file a dissenting opinion, and the subsequent press release stating that the tried, but weren't allowed to! Maybe just a case of too little, too late? If only they had seen this coming!
Since these are just the recommendations set forth by the task force, it will be interesting to see what and how the FAA will actually implement.
Regards,
Astro
The part that concerns me is how apparently little consideration was given to the AMA in the process. What happened to CBO status? The AMA was once a powerful lobby and (IMO) was the MAIN reason for being a member (remember the "frequency wars" with the FCC?). AMA insurance is secondary to insurance I already pay for, so that is certainly not a reason for me to be a member. The magazine is not that great, I get more pertinent, up-to-date and relevant information online for virtually nothing. Hmm....what's left?...NOT MUCH!!!
IMO, the damage that has been done to our hobby was done by lumping ALL (except for those under 250g!! LOL) sUAS together, AND that the AMA has seemingly lost the respect it once had in the legislative circles. SAD day, indeed!
I do have to give credit to the AMA for TRYING to file a dissenting opinion, and the subsequent press release stating that the tried, but weren't allowed to! Maybe just a case of too little, too late? If only they had seen this coming!
Since these are just the recommendations set forth by the task force, it will be interesting to see what and how the FAA will actually implement.
Regards,
Astro
11-23-2015, 06:32 PM
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http://www.fai.org/download/RECS/2430-4.pdf
11-23-2015, 07:42 PM
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I think the best hope We have of being left alone now is Michael Huerta. At the senate appropriations subcomittee hearing SD-192, when asked about model aircraft, only He mentioned that model aircraft were exempt from regulation some years ago section 336, and seemed satisfied with that. Two senators did not seem satisfied Montana senator, I can't recall His name, and Feinstein from CA, Check it out for Yourself.
11-23-2015, 08:38 PM
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I think the best hope We have of being left alone now is Michael Huerta. At the senate appropriations subcomittee hearing SD-192, when asked about model aircraft, only He mentioned that model aircraft were exempt from regulation some years ago section 336, and seemed satisfied with that. Two senators did not seem satisfied Montana senator, I can't recall His name, and Feinstein from CA, Check it out for Yourself.
11-23-2015, 09:34 PM
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Wha? How did we lose...because we have to spend 5 minutes logging into a website and registering, then putting a number in a plane? What is the big loss here? Do you think it might have been far worse than what we are seeing here now? It's not everything everyone hoped it would be...but it really ain't that bad, imo. I've asked before we knew mostly what it was going to be and now that we see what will probably be...does this change the hobby for you? Will it change drastically how your club operates, or restrict or hamper you from continuing the enjoy the hobby? It won't for me so far.
Just found this in USATODAY.
"The Academy of Model Aeronautics, which represents 180,000 hobbyists nationwide and participated in the task force, wanted to file a dissenting opinion and was prevented from doing so, executive director Dave Mathewson said. Mathewson said factors other than weight should trigger the registration requirement, such as whether it could fly higher than the current 400-foot FAA limit.“Unfortunately the task force recommendations may ultimately prove untenable by requiring the registration of smaller devices that are essentially toys and do not represent safety concerns,” Mathewson said.
"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/23/faa-gets-recommendations-register-all-drones/76253444/"
Here are my questions.
Why was AMA prevented from filing a dissenting opinion?
Since it can't be filed... could the AMA post the dissent please?
What is preventing AMA from sending a letter to the Administrator?
My understanding is that the report was unanimous. They specifically said no dissents. FAA announced this morning.
Just wondering. Simple questions. Simple answers.
"The Academy of Model Aeronautics, which represents 180,000 hobbyists nationwide and participated in the task force, wanted to file a dissenting opinion and was prevented from doing so, executive director Dave Mathewson said. Mathewson said factors other than weight should trigger the registration requirement, such as whether it could fly higher than the current 400-foot FAA limit.“Unfortunately the task force recommendations may ultimately prove untenable by requiring the registration of smaller devices that are essentially toys and do not represent safety concerns,” Mathewson said.
"http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/23/faa-gets-recommendations-register-all-drones/76253444/"
Here are my questions.
Why was AMA prevented from filing a dissenting opinion?
Since it can't be filed... could the AMA post the dissent please?
What is preventing AMA from sending a letter to the Administrator?
My understanding is that the report was unanimous. They specifically said no dissents. FAA announced this morning.
Just wondering. Simple questions. Simple answers.
We cannot accuse the AMA of doing nothing.
11-23-2015, 10:29 PM
#1808
Absolutely...even some of the 6 and 8 S foamies that are geared up now for pylon racing travel at an amazing pace. I was genuinely amazed to see that level of detail and calculation in that document...
I go right into that mode. I wonder if any one of those participating members is going to try to mount a challenge to this.
I go right into that mode. I wonder if any one of those participating members is going to try to mount a challenge to this.
IMO, I don't know that they can challenge the math, I mean the TE=KE+PE is pretty settled. As for what does/does not cause injury from falling, there's actually lots of data on that from construction industry ( http://www.dropsonline.org/resources...ps-calculator/ ). I suppose you could argue coefficient of drag might be a touch higher, but that doesn't change the basic issue that falling things of a certain weight can likely result in injuries.
Some say we've managed to stay safe for 80 years w/o calculations. Perhaps. But go back even 30 years and there were not so many large fast aircraft. It seems to me (qualitative impression) that in recent years the number large aircraft is increasing. This represents a lot more mass in the air more often, raising the total risk profile - so looking backward may be an apples to oranges comparison.
11-24-2015, 02:52 AM
#1809
That would be.......no. As said many times before,local,state,federal laws exist to punish those doing stupid things with multi-rotors. In typical gubernment fashion this is/will end up as just more "feel-good" legislation and will do nothing much in the way of solving the "problem"........"problem" as they see it. The sheeple will see it as their government protecting them and will feel better and will then move on to address the next "crisis".
11-24-2015, 04:02 AM
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That would be.......no. As said many times before,local,state,federal laws exist to punish those doing stupid things with multi-rotors. In typical gubernment fashion this is/will end up as just more "feel-good" legislation and will do nothing much in the way of solving the "problem"........"problem" as they see it. The sheeple will see it as their government protecting them and will feel better and will then move on to address the next "crisis".
11-24-2015, 04:44 AM
#1811
The regulations say they have to charge $5 minimum. Probably backed by law. Apparently they don't see it necessary to look up the regulations on registering aircraft. This only makes them look like stupid lap dogs!
11-24-2015, 05:04 AM
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I can by a shotgun at Walmart, but I have to register a 1/2 lb toy? People are nuts!!!!
11-24-2015, 05:04 AM
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Also did you not recall that the 125-95 section 336 says they will not regulate recreational model aircraft?
11-24-2015, 05:10 AM
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11-24-2015, 05:13 AM
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I understand that. The sentence I wrote write before the one you highlighted was " I already have my info on all my aircraft, including my fpv foam glider that I fly non-los". I am an AMA member and have more info on my plane then what "they" supposedly will ask for. So again, what exactly does regestration get them in a case like that?
I can by a shotgun at Walmart, but I have to register a 1/2 lb toy? People are nuts!!!!
I can by a shotgun at Walmart, but I have to register a 1/2 lb toy? People are nuts!!!!
Registration will do little to curb abuse or decrease injury to people, it's mostly a feel good look we're doing something about this problem quick fix.
11-24-2015, 05:14 AM
#1818
I suppose I should say that 100% of Americans who have watched a newscast or read a news paper in the past year know that flying a done in the vicinity of aircraft and airports know that doing so is illegal.
11-24-2015, 05:16 AM
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he part that concerns me is how apparently little consideration was given to the AMA in the process. What happened to CBO status? The AMA was once a powerful lobby and (IMO) was the MAIN reason for being a member (remember the "frequency wars" with the FCC?). AMA insurance is secondary to insurance I already pay for, so that is certainly not a reason for me to be a member. The magazine is not that great, I get more pertinent, up-to-date and relevant information online for virtually nothing. Hmm....what's left?...NOT MUCH!!!
IMO, the damage that has been done to our hobby was done by lumping ALL (except for those under 250g!! LOL) sUAS together, AND that the AMA has seemingly lost the respect it once had in the legislative circles. SAD day, indeed!
Since these are just the recommendations set forth by the task force, it will be interesting to see what and how the FAA will actually implement.
Regards,
Astro
IMO, the damage that has been done to our hobby was done by lumping ALL (except for those under 250g!! LOL) sUAS together, AND that the AMA has seemingly lost the respect it once had in the legislative circles. SAD day, indeed!
Since these are just the recommendations set forth by the task force, it will be interesting to see what and how the FAA will actually implement.
Regards,
Astro
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11-24-2015, 05:29 AM
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Your shotgun isn't flying over peoples head with the potential to fall and hit them, or better yet get ingested into a spinning turbine. for what it's worth...I had to register the bb gun I bought at my local Walmart.
Registration will do little to curb abuse or decrease injury to people, it's mostly a feel good look we're doing something about this problem quick fix.
Registration will do little to curb abuse or decrease injury to people, it's mostly a feel good look we're doing something about this problem quick fix.
My aircraft are not flying over anyones head and I stay away from full scale aircraft. lol
I have yet to hear one logical reason why I should register. Info is on all aircraft.
11-24-2015, 05:37 AM
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Some say we've managed to stay safe for 80 years w/o calculations. Perhaps. But go back even 30 years and there were not so many large fast aircraft. It seems to me (qualitative impression) that in recent years the number large aircraft is increasing. This represents a lot more mass in the air more often, raising the total risk profile - so looking backward may be an apples to oranges comparison.
False logic. You continue to believe that GS planes are inherently more dangerous than other craft. I believe I read somewhere that the AMA has admitted that there has been no significant increase in damage claims or injuries that can be attributed to the popularity of GS aircraft.
I would bet that the total mass of foam in the air is far greater than the mass of GS planes at any given time. (at least at my field!)
Regards,
Astro
11-24-2015, 05:39 AM
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I understand that. The sentence I wrote write before the one you highlighted was " I already have my info on all my aircraft, including my fpv foam glider that I fly non-los". I am an AMA member and have more info on my plane then what "they" supposedly will ask for. So again, what exactly does regestration get them in a case like that?
I can by a shotgun at Walmart, but I have to register a 1/2 lb toy? People are nuts!!!!
I can by a shotgun at Walmart, but I have to register a 1/2 lb toy? People are nuts!!!!
11-24-2015, 05:42 AM
#1825
Perhaps? That is a fact!
False logic. You continue to believe that GS planes are inherently more dangerous than other craft. I believe I read somewhere that the AMA has admitted that there has been no significant increase in damage claims or injuries that can be attributed to the popularity of GS aircraft.
I would bet that the total mass of foam in the air is far greater than the mass of GS planes at any given time. (at least at my field!)
Regards,
Astro
False logic. You continue to believe that GS planes are inherently more dangerous than other craft. I believe I read somewhere that the AMA has admitted that there has been no significant increase in damage claims or injuries that can be attributed to the popularity of GS aircraft.
I would bet that the total mass of foam in the air is far greater than the mass of GS planes at any given time. (at least at my field!)
Regards,
Astro