Are you ready to register your aircraft?
11-25-2015, 06:50 AM
#1902
The difference is Texas pays out to the winners. What the heck does the AMA have t do with the lottery in Ill.? Always looking for a argument aren't you.
When I said only a fool would play the lottery it was due to the odds nothing more. Ill. froze payouts over $600.00 due to budget issues. They apparently pissed the money away rather than pay out. Hey wait a minute speaking of pissing away funds
.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-over-600.html
Mike
When I said only a fool would play the lottery it was due to the odds nothing more. Ill. froze payouts over $600.00 due to budget issues. They apparently pissed the money away rather than pay out. Hey wait a minute speaking of pissing away funds
.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-over-600.html
Mike
But yes Lottery odds are so bad, but who said "There's a sucker born every minute".
11-25-2015, 07:02 AM
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I guess I'm missing something here. I've been into r/c in one way or another a long time. I Actually prefer boats over other stuff. What I don't understand is that it seems most of the trouble starts when people strap a camera on their model be it fpv or a plain old gopro. That's when some careless pilots fly close to people , planes. wildlife, ladies in bathing suits or just real high. Wouldn't most problems have be solved by requiring large registration numbers displayed on the outside when any model is being flown off of private property or over a certain height for purposes using cameras? The FAA could be sure all registered owners confirmed they understand they need to abide by certain safety rules. It just seems to me the camera is the one thing added causing most trouble? I suppose with this rule the multi rotor industry would feel singled out so for protection and safety in numbers they are hiding among all modelers... Kind of an all or nothing scenario?? Also I know I'm just wasting my breath but that's how this looks to me.I don't post here much anymore but I have been sitting here scratching my head on this one. I think the biggest threat "drones" pose at this time is loss of privacy . After all is said and done you can bet those wanting to spy on us the most will be well protected by law.
But then the problems aren't really privacy issues, it's the IDIOTs that flies where and when they are not supposed to. PERIOD. But we all (But the FAA/DOT) know this. Nothing new here.
11-25-2015, 07:09 AM
#1905
actions? Probably never.
11-25-2015, 07:18 AM
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In my area if you call the cops because your house was robbed or your car was broken into. They sometimes will tell you there is not much they will be able to do because they have more serious things to deal with. It is upsetting but somewhat understandable. Going to be interesting to see how interested they will be in investigating every time angry neighbors call on each others toy aircraft.
11-25-2015, 07:24 AM
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My Brother-in-Law used to work closely with Walker. He was at my sisters wedding. I talked to him for a bit and he seemed like a nice enough guy. My Brother-in-Law was working for him when all the protests were going on. He said it got pretty scary a few times. I don't know much about his politics other than I don't think the unions like him very much. lol.
11-25-2015, 07:34 AM
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The difference is Texas pays out to the winners. What the heck does the AMA have t do with the lottery in Ill.? Always looking for a argument aren't you.
When I said only a fool would play the lottery it was due to the odds nothing more. Ill. froze payouts over $600.00 due to budget issues. They apparently pissed the money away rather than pay out. Hey wait a minute speaking of pissing away funds
.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-over-600.html
Mike
When I said only a fool would play the lottery it was due to the odds nothing more. Ill. froze payouts over $600.00 due to budget issues. They apparently pissed the money away rather than pay out. Hey wait a minute speaking of pissing away funds
.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-over-600.html
Mike
11-25-2015, 07:39 AM
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In my area if you call the cops because your house was robbed or your car was broken into. They sometimes will tell you there is not much they will be able to do because they have more serious things to deal with. It is upsetting but somewhat understandable. Going to be interesting to see how interested they will be in investigating every time angry neighbors call on each others toy aircraft.
11-25-2015, 07:45 AM
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It's usually the same kind of person doing stupid things with their multi rotor or plain old r/c toy . That's part of why we are now all going to be regulated. Unfortunately people like that are protected by law in most cases and if you hurt them you will go to jail.
11-25-2015, 10:47 AM
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Direct your snide comments at the real source of this problem - those few people who refuse to take other peoples' safety into consideration because it impacts their ability to have fun.
11-25-2015, 12:40 PM
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They didn't ask for this, they were told to do it.
11-25-2015, 12:54 PM
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And if AMA wanted to file a dissenting opinion and was not permitted, then they should have either not voted to support any of the recommendations or dropped out of the task force. But they did neither. They stayed and voted for the report. I'm sure nobody else got all they wanted either, but the AMA is the only one whining about it after the fact. I can't help but think this will further erode their credibility in the eyes of regulators or the rest of the aviation industry.
"New York, November 23, 2015 – DJI, the world leader in drone technology, has concluded its participation on the Federal Aviation Administration Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration Task Force. The report of the Task Force was released to the public today.
We share the concerns of many of the 4,700 people who filed comments that this process was initiated in response to sensational headlines rather than data-based risk assessments, and contradicts the provisions of several federal statutes. Nonetheless, we undertook in good faith the assignment, which was not to argue the law, but to use our expertise and knowledge as the world’s largest drone manufacturer to recommend to the Administrator a national drone registration system intended to be minimally burdensome to consumers and professionals, and effective at the stated goals.
The result is a recommended registration system that, if it were to become a legal mandate, reflects weeks of respectful dialog, genuine compromise, and a balancing of interests among the participants. While several aspects of the report might be of concern to one group or another, and remain so to DJI, we believe in the reasonable approach to accountability that is reflected in the package of recommendations sent to the Administrator.
We hope that the work of the Task Force serves as a model for how to develop innovative and practical regulatory solutions to the issues raised by small unmanned aircraft systems. One thing this process has established is that new participants in this industry, working together with traditional stakeholders, can accomplish more, and more quickly, than past approaches. This fast-moving technology demands that we do things in new ways. We hope to have the opportunity to work with the FAA and other agencies again soon."
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/11/4020...on-task-force/
11-25-2015, 02:30 PM
#1923
I don't understand the attacks on the FAA or DOT. They didn't ask for this, they were told to do it.
They were told by congress not to make any laws for Model aircraft how's that working out?
And they didn't come up with the recommendation either. They have even stated their concern is the safety of other aircraft. And they are very aware the probem lies primarily in the unsafe use of FPV. They made the decision years ago to ignore the requirement that ALL aircraft, models nor not, be registered. They had the position that a registration fee was not needed. They don't even have the budget to enforce any of this. They have bigger problems than registering a toy P-51 - things like blinding pilots who are landing an aircraft with 250 passengers on board and putting them in the hospital and things like jamming GPS signals being used to land a fully loaded aircraft in bad weather. And things like how to deal with a union that cares more about how much money ATCs make than how safe the ATCs are keeping the airspace.
Direct your snide comments at the real source of this problem - those few people who refuse to take other peoples' safety into consideration because it impacts their ability to have fun.
They were told by congress not to make any laws for Model aircraft how's that working out?
And they didn't come up with the recommendation either. They have even stated their concern is the safety of other aircraft. And they are very aware the probem lies primarily in the unsafe use of FPV. They made the decision years ago to ignore the requirement that ALL aircraft, models nor not, be registered. They had the position that a registration fee was not needed. They don't even have the budget to enforce any of this. They have bigger problems than registering a toy P-51 - things like blinding pilots who are landing an aircraft with 250 passengers on board and putting them in the hospital and things like jamming GPS signals being used to land a fully loaded aircraft in bad weather. And things like how to deal with a union that cares more about how much money ATCs make than how safe the ATCs are keeping the airspace.
Direct your snide comments at the real source of this problem - those few people who refuse to take other peoples' safety into consideration because it impacts their ability to have fun.
Just today I was at my Local Hobby Shop. There was a gentleman there buying some epoxy and some new props for his R/C pride and joy. I asked where he flew. Answer just down the street in a housing area where the put in the roads gut never built any houses. Well I just checked and that area is 3.5 miles North East from the center of Mesa Gateway airport (KIWA). Registering their families is not going to stop them from flying there if they even know it is going to be a requirement to do register. They are already breaking the FAR's/Rules/Laws flying that close to a Towered airport. With out education Registration of R/C Pilots is useless at best and plain stupid for the most part and the FAA/DOT even the Task Force knows this. Does it matter? Not on your life but it looks like they did something, even that it is Useless.
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11-25-2015, 03:10 PM
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Is the sort of grownup response you would rather have seen from an organization that purports to represent you?
"New York, November 23, 2015 – DJI, the world leader in drone technology, has concluded its participation on the Federal Aviation Administration Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration Task Force. The report of the Task Force was released to the public today.
We share the concerns of many of the 4,700 people who filed comments that this process was initiated in response to sensational headlines rather than data-based risk assessments, and contradicts the provisions of several federal statutes. Nonetheless, we undertook in good faith the assignment, which was not to argue the law, but to use our expertise and knowledge as the world’s largest drone manufacturer to recommend to the Administrator a national drone registration system intended to be minimally burdensome to consumers and professionals, and effective at the stated goals.
The result is a recommended registration system that, if it were to become a legal mandate, reflects weeks of respectful dialog, genuine compromise, and a balancing of interests among the participants. While several aspects of the report might be of concern to one group or another, and remain so to DJI, we believe in the reasonable approach to accountability that is reflected in the package of recommendations sent to the Administrator.
We hope that the work of the Task Force serves as a model for how to develop innovative and practical regulatory solutions to the issues raised by small unmanned aircraft systems. One thing this process has established is that new participants in this industry, working together with traditional stakeholders, can accomplish more, and more quickly, than past approaches. This fast-moving technology demands that we do things in new ways. We hope to have the opportunity to work with the FAA and other agencies again soon."
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/11/4020...on-task-force/
"New York, November 23, 2015 – DJI, the world leader in drone technology, has concluded its participation on the Federal Aviation Administration Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration Task Force. The report of the Task Force was released to the public today.
We share the concerns of many of the 4,700 people who filed comments that this process was initiated in response to sensational headlines rather than data-based risk assessments, and contradicts the provisions of several federal statutes. Nonetheless, we undertook in good faith the assignment, which was not to argue the law, but to use our expertise and knowledge as the world’s largest drone manufacturer to recommend to the Administrator a national drone registration system intended to be minimally burdensome to consumers and professionals, and effective at the stated goals.
The result is a recommended registration system that, if it were to become a legal mandate, reflects weeks of respectful dialog, genuine compromise, and a balancing of interests among the participants. While several aspects of the report might be of concern to one group or another, and remain so to DJI, we believe in the reasonable approach to accountability that is reflected in the package of recommendations sent to the Administrator.
We hope that the work of the Task Force serves as a model for how to develop innovative and practical regulatory solutions to the issues raised by small unmanned aircraft systems. One thing this process has established is that new participants in this industry, working together with traditional stakeholders, can accomplish more, and more quickly, than past approaches. This fast-moving technology demands that we do things in new ways. We hope to have the opportunity to work with the FAA and other agencies again soon."
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/11/4020...on-task-force/
11-25-2015, 03:22 PM
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