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#2026
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The only thing we could have bet on would have been if he was going to post it BEFORE or AFTER Thanksgiving.
LOL.
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#2027
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IMHO the "bad guys" are the companies like DJI who make it to way too easy to fly whatever aircraft. Also places like Amazon who want to use it as delivery and corporatize the drone - the will have the $$/lobbyist to make it good for them while hobbyist just getsbent over.
I don't break rules and fly safely within the CASA model aircraft guidelines at all times.
The real problem here is not the drones or the responsible flyers, whatever they fly. The problem is those who fly with no regard for anyone else or the consequences.
When companies like DJI make drones easy enough for any fool to fly they will.
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#2028
I ride motorcycles and that is a dumb statement. The states or the feds don't treat one type of motorcycle differently than another. They treat a cruiser the same as a crotch rocket, a Harley the same as a Honda and trike the same as any 2 wheeler. It should be the same for RC aircraft. I guess you think anybody who rides a Harley is a Hell's Angel?
#2029
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I ride motorcycles and that is a dumb statement. The states or the feds don't treat one type of motorcycle differently than another. They treat a cruiser the same as a crotch rocket, a Harley the same as a Honda and trike the same as any 2 wheeler. It should be the same for RC aircraft. I guess you think anybody who rides a Harley is a Hell's Angel?
LOL
Agree with what you are stating 100%. Had my share of different manufactured motorcycles and presently own a Yamaha. Had my share of Harleys and will most likely own one again. Son In Law just purchased a new BMW and neighbor has a Ducati. Have yet to find a law for each and every different make and model motorcycle.
Willing to take any bet that their are more motorcycles being operated on the road than their are model airplanes in the air at any one time !
#2030
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But alas, there you go again...more spin and deflection. The answer I guess is you do nothing to promote or help the hobby, and if I had to guess you haven't been to a flying field in a long time, nor have you taken the time to discuss any issues with the AMA. But hey, 19,250 posts and climbing! It's almost as amazing as finding out Franklin so completely failed at filing a simple form with the AMA, but then does nothing but vilify the organization.
I welcome opposing viewpoints, I've never once tried to stop or discourage anyone from talking in this thread or others. It's you and a select few that are viscerally annoyed when their generalizations and half truths are questioned, or opposing thoughts presented. In fact, it's you and a few others that have continued to resort to personal attacks and name calling. Believe me I get it, one should go along to get along, castigate the AMA otherwise we're cheerleaders. I'll pass on that strategy.
Still willing to share some thoughts with you on promoting your club or your hobby if you want to shoot me a PM. I can put you in touch with your local AMA folks too (although that information is available in the AMA mag every month).
#2031
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It's an absolute rib tickler, full on chortle inducing guffaw machine.
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
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#2032
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Anybody who rides a Harley is a " Wanna Be Hell's Angel ".
LOL
Agree with what you are stating 100%. Had my share of different manufactured motorcycles and presently own a Yamaha. Had my share of Harleys and will most likely own one again. Son In Law just purchased a new BMW and neighbor has a Ducati. Have yet to find a law for each and every different make and model motorcycle.
Willing to take any bet that their are more motorcycles being operated on the road than their are model airplanes in the air at any one time !
LOL
Agree with what you are stating 100%. Had my share of different manufactured motorcycles and presently own a Yamaha. Had my share of Harleys and will most likely own one again. Son In Law just purchased a new BMW and neighbor has a Ducati. Have yet to find a law for each and every different make and model motorcycle.
Willing to take any bet that their are more motorcycles being operated on the road than their are model airplanes in the air at any one time !
#2033
So how can you prove it's not? Present rule making defines model aviation operations as within VLOS and 400ft AGL . Mr. Hill flew beyond VLOS and over 400ft AGL on his historic accomplishment. If someone re-enacted his historic flight today they would need a 333 exception.
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#2034
#2035
I ride motorcycles and that is a dumb statement. The states or the feds don't treat one type of motorcycle differently than another. They treat a cruiser the same as a crotch rocket, a Harley the same as a Honda and trike the same as any 2 wheeler. It should be the same for RC aircraft. I guess you think anybody who rides a Harley is a Hell's Angel?
Signed , one law abiding former motorcyclist who don't like lawbreakers on bikes or who fly drones .
Thanks for playing ....
#2036
My post was in response to a post that the poster edited to remove their motorcycle rreference, but my post has everything to do with the conversation without the reference post. All motorcycles are treated the same regardless of their make, model or number of wheels. Some of them are easier to ride than others. So should Cam-Am be vilified because it is easier to ride than a 2 wheeler like some here are vilifying DJI?
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
#2037
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My post was in response to a post that the poster edited to remove their motorcycle rreference, but my post has everything to do with the conversation without the reference post. All motorcycles are treated the same regardless of their make, model or number of wheels. Some of them are easier to ride than others. So should Cam-Am be vilified because it is easier to ride than a 2 wheeler like some here are vilifying DJI?
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
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My post was in response to a post that the poster edited to remove their motorcycle rreference, but my post has everything to do with the conversation without the reference post. All motorcycles are treated the same regardless of their make, model or number of wheels. Some of them are easier to ride than others. So should Cam-Am be vilified because it is easier to ride than a 2 wheeler like some here are vilifying DJI?
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
I don't care if an RC aircraft has fixed wings, 2 rotors, 4 rotors or 8, they should all be treated the same, period.
What I don't agree with is that drone operations where they are flown over areas that may contain unprotected and non-participating people and things and/or flown beyond visual line-of-sight should be included/confused with/embraced as modeling operations as we and AMA have known them. I'm not against them, but recognize that their operations face growing and learning pains including regulatory hoops, and don't see it as fair to have our traditional modeling operations be lumped in with them in the court of public opinion and/or government regulatiory process. AMA has no relevant experience in their very different operating environment to provide leadership and advocate on their behalf. If organization is needed, they should have their own, and not be subjected to rules/restrictions that AMA thinks is what is good for them. Neither traditional modelers nor drone operators will benefit from that.
#2040
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Now you're counting the words....I love it. You are hooked, you know it.
But alas, there you go again...more spin and deflection. The answer I guess is you do nothing to promote or help the hobby, and if I had to guess you haven't been to a flying field in a long time, nor have you taken the time to discuss any issues with the AMA. But hey, 19,250 posts and climbing! It's almost as amazing as finding out Franklin so completely failed at filing a simple form with the AMA, but then does nothing but vilify the organization.
I welcome opposing viewpoints, I've never once tried to stop or discourage anyone from talking in this thread or others. It's you and a select few that are viscerally annoyed when their generalizations and half truths are questioned, or opposing thoughts presented. In fact, it's you and a few others that have continued to resort to personal attacks and name calling. Believe me I get it, one should go along to get along, castigate the AMA otherwise we're cheerleaders. I'll pass on that strategy.
Still willing to share some thoughts with you on promoting your club or your hobby if you want to shoot me a PM. I can put you in touch with your local AMA folks too (although that information is available in the AMA mag every month).
But alas, there you go again...more spin and deflection. The answer I guess is you do nothing to promote or help the hobby, and if I had to guess you haven't been to a flying field in a long time, nor have you taken the time to discuss any issues with the AMA. But hey, 19,250 posts and climbing! It's almost as amazing as finding out Franklin so completely failed at filing a simple form with the AMA, but then does nothing but vilify the organization.
I welcome opposing viewpoints, I've never once tried to stop or discourage anyone from talking in this thread or others. It's you and a select few that are viscerally annoyed when their generalizations and half truths are questioned, or opposing thoughts presented. In fact, it's you and a few others that have continued to resort to personal attacks and name calling. Believe me I get it, one should go along to get along, castigate the AMA otherwise we're cheerleaders. I'll pass on that strategy.
Still willing to share some thoughts with you on promoting your club or your hobby if you want to shoot me a PM. I can put you in touch with your local AMA folks too (although that information is available in the AMA mag every month).
#2041
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It's an absolute rib tickler, full on chortle inducing guffaw machine.
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
ALWAYS critical of EVERY move...[teenagers commonly blame their parents of this].
Always critical AFTER the fact......[pretty hard to be critical BEFORE the fact].
but don't know how to be heard....[this is beneath comment].
Unable to follow simple instructions....[more hyperbolic dysentery].
#2043
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So how can you prove it's not? Present rule making defines model aviation operations as within VLOS and 400ft AGL . Mr. Hill flew beyond VLOS and over 400ft AGL on his historic accomplishment. If someone re-enacted his historic flight today they would need a 333 exception.
unless canada has suddenly adopted our FAA as their enforcement body, or as the landing point, ireland has some new regulations we do not know about.
none of the record making flight used US airspace.
#2044
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviatio...ards-4179.html
#2045
It's an absolute rib tickler, full on chortle inducing guffaw machine.
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
But it does bring up a good question...lets say for arguments sake that there is a glee club, namely those that refuse to be completely negative and jump on the persistent criticism of the AMA bandwagon. What would the name of the club be for those folks that do noting but criticize the AMA's every move, at every chance, always after the fact. Probably don't do anything to make their voices heard, chip in and help, and are unable to follow simple instructions, etc etc. What would that club be called?
Mike
#2047
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I ( among others) have really only one issue with the AMA. It all started when they got in bed with the "droners" and decided to go all in with them. Since then I've seen no reason to be happy with that move and it's been one thing after another during this mess. So I don't thing it's fair to say we criticize there "every move".
Mike
Mike
But again, I notice you didn't answer the question. Since the name callers here made a funny, and you got a great laugh out of it, what would be the equivalent to label those folks who do nothing but criticize and second guess the AMA, never have a single positive thing to say about them, and also are not involved with them in any meaningful way. Gloom Club? Doom and Gloomers? Debbie Downers? Do as I say not as I doers?
Not so easy to have some self awareness and attach a label to oneself is it?
#2048
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I agree with you, with strings attached - that being they are operated in similar environments. IMHO, what separates traditional modeling from drone operations is not a matter of of the configuration/technology of the aircraft, but where and how it is flown. I'm good with multi-rotors flying at AMA fields and similar ad hoc areas where the flyover area is scoped out to exclude flying over people and their things, IOW, the aircraft has a safe place to crash when something fails, and it is actively confined to that area by being flown with eyes on the aircraft throughout the flight. Despite the pervasive denial, most model aircraft eventually crash, and for traditional model operation that has set an enviable safety record; where they are flown is the key factor. I'm sure FPV flying is a great experience, and I have experienced that secondhand as a spotter for folks operating them and view that as an adjunct to the primary disciplinary measure of keeping them within an area where they can crash without harm to anyone or anything other than the aircraft itself. That is what AMA rules currently allow for multi-rotors and FPV, fits within operations they are are familiar with, and I'm okay with that.
What I don't agree with is that drone operations where they are flown over areas that may contain unprotected and non-participating people and things and/or flown beyond visual line-of-sight should be included/confused with/embraced as modeling operations as we and AMA have known them. I'm not against them, but recognize that their operations face growing and learning pains including regulatory hoops, and don't see it as fair to have our traditional modeling operations be lumped in with them in the court of public opinion and/or government regulatiory process. AMA has no relevant experience in their very different operating environment to provide leadership and advocate on their behalf. If organization is needed, they should have their own, and not be subjected to rules/restrictions that AMA thinks is what is good for them. Neither traditional modelers nor drone operators will benefit from that.
What I don't agree with is that drone operations where they are flown over areas that may contain unprotected and non-participating people and things and/or flown beyond visual line-of-sight should be included/confused with/embraced as modeling operations as we and AMA have known them. I'm not against them, but recognize that their operations face growing and learning pains including regulatory hoops, and don't see it as fair to have our traditional modeling operations be lumped in with them in the court of public opinion and/or government regulatiory process. AMA has no relevant experience in their very different operating environment to provide leadership and advocate on their behalf. If organization is needed, they should have their own, and not be subjected to rules/restrictions that AMA thinks is what is good for them. Neither traditional modelers nor drone operators will benefit from that.
#2049
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The AMA certainly has embraced all types of model aviation changes throughout their 70 plus years, that's for sure.
#2050
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It must be difficult to look at comments like that and realize you have no legitimate response to them, other than to deflect. But I do sincerely mean it, I'm happy to help you in any way I can. Sometimes a different set of eyes, and a different viewpoint can really make you think of things in a broader perspective. My first suggestion is to get back out to the field and do some flying. Reconnect with the hobby, maybe visit another club close by and talk with those folks, etc etc. You never know what you will hear.