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11-29-2015, 07:51 PM
#2102
The new technology is cool! I haven't really read in here where anyone resents it? (except where it has given our hobby a black eye recently, but that is different than resenting the actual technology)
There are those here that simply think it is its own unique hobby, with unique needs that the AMA is simply not equipped to handle effectively.
Like the well-known names that signed this letter to the AMA recently. It will be interesting to see how/if the AMA responds.
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It sure is good to know that there are actual people that will do actually do something other than b!tch on these forums when they don't like something! (unless writing a letter such as this is construed as b!tching
)
And they didn't even have to run for office!
Regards,
Astro
There are those here that simply think it is its own unique hobby, with unique needs that the AMA is simply not equipped to handle effectively.
Like the well-known names that signed this letter to the AMA recently. It will be interesting to see how/if the AMA responds.
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It sure is good to know that there are actual people that will do actually do something other than b!tch on these forums when they don't like something! (unless writing a letter such as this is construed as b!tching
)And they didn't even have to run for office!
Regards,
Astro
11-29-2015, 07:56 PM
#2103
Originally Posted by Roboflyer
Like any new technology some will misuse it and abuse it while others understand that this technology has more potential to do great harm than the old technology it is designed to replace.
Human nature doesn't change.
11-29-2015, 07:59 PM
#2104
The new technology is cool! I haven't really read in here where anyone resents it? (except where it has given our hobby a black eye recently, but that is different than resenting the actual technology)
There are those here that simply think it is its own unique hobby, with unique needs that the AMA is simply not equipped to handle effectively.
Like the well-known names that signed this letter to the AMA recently. It will be interesting to see how/if the AMA responds.
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It sure is good to know that there are actual people that will do actually do something other than b!tch on these forums when they don't like something! (unless writing a letter such as this is construed as b!tching)
And they didn't even have to run for office!
Regards,
Astro
There are those here that simply think it is its own unique hobby, with unique needs that the AMA is simply not equipped to handle effectively.
Like the well-known names that signed this letter to the AMA recently. It will be interesting to see how/if the AMA responds.
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It sure is good to know that there are actual people that will do actually do something other than b!tch on these forums when they don't like something! (unless writing a letter such as this is construed as b!tching
)And they didn't even have to run for office!
Regards,
Astro
Obviously these guys listen to Porcia, huh...?
LOL.
11-29-2015, 08:54 PM
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As noble as their intent may be, I think they are asking the AMA to close the barn doors months after the horses escaped. The FAA will probably finalize the regulations less than one month after the date on the letter (11/18/2015). Asking the AMA to make a fundamental change in its mission, and the make the required policy changes (both internally and with the insurance carrier) within this time frame may be somewhat unreasonable. I doubt the AMA will be willing to comply with a request from 12 people, without extensive feedback from its membership. There is not way they can get this feedback within a few weeks. Many people, including Yours Truly, fly "drones," and "model aircraft" at AMA flying sites. This number of AMA members who fly both "drones" and "model aircraft" is increasing every day. Does the AMA really want to alienate a large portion of its membership?
The stated goal of the letter is to prevent the regulation of "model aircraft." However, even if the AMA's Exec committee were to label "drones" and "model aircraft" with different definitions, the FAA would most likely ignore the AMA's new definitions. Such an action on the AMA's part would be very unlikely to influence the FAA's final decision. As others have said many times in this thread, the AMA has absolutely no authority to regulate anything, or to require the FAA to regulate anything.
The stated goal of the letter is to prevent the regulation of "model aircraft." However, even if the AMA's Exec committee were to label "drones" and "model aircraft" with different definitions, the FAA would most likely ignore the AMA's new definitions. Such an action on the AMA's part would be very unlikely to influence the FAA's final decision. As others have said many times in this thread, the AMA has absolutely no authority to regulate anything, or to require the FAA to regulate anything.
11-29-2015, 09:00 PM
#2107
So are you saying these sort of "nicks on an airplane" are, in your mind, acceptable? Clearly you've never had an engine come apart on you due to FOD damage (missing intake temperature probe, smaller in size / mass than a 450 size heli main shaft), and subsequent loss of auxiliary hydraulic systems, etc. All those chunks missing go somewhere...back through the rest of the engine into the hot section, where the blades are the size of a fingernail, easily broken, and then they depart the case much like shrapnel, potentially cutting fuel lines, hydraulic lines, tanks, accumulators, etc.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
Clearly you've never been at the controls of an aircraft when FOD damage resulted in cut fuel lines spraying atomized JP5 on the hot section. You've also clearly not been accountable for flight safety of your crew or people on the ground when FOD damage resulted in cut hydraulic lines spraying that fluid on a hot section. Unfortunately, I have, and both times it resulted in engine fires, and posed a significant risk to flight safety.
It's irresponsible for you to trivialize the potential for damage as a "nick." Below is a picture of what one bird can do. No metal parts, no LiPo batteries, no cameras, just soft flesh.
Now, let me ask everyone a few of simple questions:
How many of you have actually worked on a modern jetliner? This includes those that build and/or maintain them.
How many of you understand the inner workings of a modern jetliner? This includes how the various systems are inter-related as well as how they operate.
How many of you really know what happens to a modern jetliner when it loses an engine due to something damaging it?
I've been reading a lot of posts by people saying, more or less, " A drone won't do any more than a bird" and "The FAA requires all planes must be able to fly with an engine out so what's the big deal?" but how many saying these really understand how much danger there is to the passengers and crew in an engine out situation? Then again, how many of you know how dangerous it is to be on a plane with any system out, let alone an engine?
11-29-2015, 09:27 PM
#2109
As noble as their intent may be, I think they are asking the AMA to close the barn doors months after the horses escaped. The FAA will probably finalize the regulations less than one month after the date on the letter (11/18/2015). Asking the AMA to make a fundamental change in its mission, and the make the required policy changes (both internally and with the insurance carrier) within this time frame may be somewhat unreasonable. I doubt the AMA will be willing to comply with a request from 12 people, without extensive feedback from its membership. There is not way they can get this feedback within a few weeks. Many people, including Yours Truly, fly "drones," and "model aircraft" at AMA flying sites. This number of AMA members who fly both "drones" and "model aircraft" is increasing every day. Does the AMA really want to alienate a large portion of its membership?
The stated goal of the letter is to prevent the regulation of "model aircraft." However, even if the AMA's Exec committee were to label "drones" and "model aircraft" with different definitions, the FAA would most likely ignore the AMA's new definitions. Such an action on the AMA's part would be very unlikely to influence the FAA's final decision. As others have said many times in this thread, the AMA has absolutely no authority to regulate anything, or to require the FAA to regulate anything.
The stated goal of the letter is to prevent the regulation of "model aircraft." However, even if the AMA's Exec committee were to label "drones" and "model aircraft" with different definitions, the FAA would most likely ignore the AMA's new definitions. Such an action on the AMA's part would be very unlikely to influence the FAA's final decision. As others have said many times in this thread, the AMA has absolutely no authority to regulate anything, or to require the FAA to regulate anything.
MY fear, is that due to lack of clear definitions and distinctions between "traditional models and activity" and "droning", the FAA and our Legislators will be forced to continue to add more and more restrictive legislation as the ramifications of flying drones in the NAS become reality.
Still plenty of time to distinguish the differences and distance the "traditional" modelers (who FOUNDED the AMA, to advocate for THEM, BTW) who have an impeccable, 70-plus year track record of being safe, community stewards from the "droners" who have proven (in a scant few years) to be disruptive to not only the NAS, but the general public as well, as we all have witnessed almost nightly on the six o'clock news!
C'mon guys, this is NOT about HATING drones. How else can one explain that for SEVENTY-PLUS years, modelers have enjoyed our passion without NARY A WHISPER from the general public or the media, but enter GPS, aerial cameras, FPV and tiny gyros and we have a veritable *****storm of negative media and legislation! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how very different drones are from traditional model aircraft! Unless of course, you wear a tinfoil hat, and think the media all of a sudden decided it hated RC modeling!! LOL
Regards,
Astro
11-29-2015, 09:30 PM
#2110
1. My admiration for each and everyone of them.
2. A very well written document that will serve as a reminder to future AMA leadership where their loyalties and priorities should lie. It should be transcribed to a bronze tablet and placed in the Trophy Case at Muncie HQ
2. A very well written document that will serve as a reminder to future AMA leadership where their loyalties and priorities should lie. It should be transcribed to a bronze tablet and placed in the Trophy Case at Muncie HQ
11-29-2015, 09:48 PM
#2111
1. My admiration for each and everyone of them.
2. A very well written document that will serve as a reminder to future AMA leadership where their loyalties and priorities should lie. It should be transcribed to a bronze tablet and placed in the Trophy Case at Muncie HQ
2. A very well written document that will serve as a reminder to future AMA leadership where their loyalties and priorities should lie. It should be transcribed to a bronze tablet and placed in the Trophy Case at Muncie HQ
Assuming they are all AMA members, what percentage of the total AMA membership does the 14 who signed the letter represent?
11-29-2015, 10:13 PM
#2112
Easily impressed I see. Too bad the AMA is a membership organization and not an industry trade association. 14 people signed a letter someone wrote and we don't even know if they are AMA members as they didn't even include their membership numbers. Must just be a coincidence that all 14 have a vested financial interest in fixed wing R/C aircraft.
Assuming they are all AMA members, what percentage of the total AMA membership does the 14 who signed the letter represent?
Assuming they are all AMA members, what percentage of the total AMA membership does the 14 who signed the letter represent?
I don't know why I am still a bit surprised (I guess I gave you too much credit!).
You and Porcia83 prance around these threads like you can do no wrong. You challenge everyone who does not agree with you, telling them they, "should do something about it, instead of posting on internet forums". When they do, it is not good enough for you! WHO are YOU? Just another sad little man hiding behind your keyboard.
It just goes to show, you get to know someone long enough, their true colors show eventually.
If you had one ounce of integrity, you would acknowledge islandflyers letter, give him kudos for doing something to participate in the process and acquiesce to the fact that the, "secret dozen" really DO exist and offer your apology for questioning HIS integrity.
SAD, you're not a big enough man to admit when you are wrong. Not sure why anyone would waste their time "engaging" with you as it is now painfully clear that you have no intention of adding anything of value to any of these threads.
I pity your SAD life. FLAME ON DUDE!
Regards,
Astro
11-29-2015, 10:22 PM
#2113
Easily impressed I see. Too bad the AMA is a membership organization and not an industry trade association. 14 people signed a letter someone wrote and we don't even know if they are AMA members as they didn't even include their membership numbers. Must just be a coincidence that all 14 have a vested financial interest in fixed wing R/C aircraft.
Assuming they are all AMA members, what percentage of the total AMA membership does the 14 who signed the letter represent?
Assuming they are all AMA members, what percentage of the total AMA membership does the 14 who signed the letter represent?
Wondering about what percent of the membership they represent is a waste of time, [which falls under your jurisdiction]. I'll leave that detail up to you to figure out.
11-29-2015, 10:51 PM
#2115
The guys who signed that letter could make a ton of money if they put their minds to it and branched out into the drone market.
No doubt about it.
...but just in case Crispy's premonition is correct....
11-30-2015, 12:20 AM
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Understood but considering that a huge majority that will and have been sold have cameras that guys want to use. Most flying fields do not offer what they want to photograph. While they would be welcome with open arms chances are pretty slim they will show up. Just not "scenic" enough for them.
.Mike
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Who wants to be part of a group that discriminates against others just because of what they fly.
It's funny some people on here have said they don't like DJI because they made the drones to easy to fly. I'd ike to see those same people saying that fly one of those drones in full manual mode. To me it's was a lot harder to fly the drone in manual mode than it was to fly my fixed wings or my collective pitch 450 or 600 class helis.
11-30-2015, 03:46 AM
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It's funny some people on here have said they don't like DJI because they made the drones to easy to fly. I'd ike to see those same people saying that fly one of those drones in full manual mode. To me it's was a lot harder to fly the drone in manual mode than it was to fly my fixed wings or my collective pitch 450 or 600 class helis.
DJI make a lot of different products. The ones causing most complaints are the RTF quads that anyone can fly. The latest models like the Inspire and P3 now don't even have a manual mode.
11-30-2015, 04:04 AM
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Not all fields welcome drones with open arms. The field near me doesn't. My heli and fixed wings are welcome but not the drone. I fly my drone just as much without the camera as I do with it. Without it, less wieght , more flight time.
Who wants to be part of a group that discriminates against others just because of what they fly.
It's funny some people on here have said they don't like DJI because they made the drones to easy to fly. I'd ike to see those same people saying that fly one of those drones in full manual mode. To me it's was a lot harder to fly the drone in manual mode than it was to fly my fixed wings or my collective pitch 450 or 600 class helis.
Who wants to be part of a group that discriminates against others just because of what they fly.
It's funny some people on here have said they don't like DJI because they made the drones to easy to fly. I'd ike to see those same people saying that fly one of those drones in full manual mode. To me it's was a lot harder to fly the drone in manual mode than it was to fly my fixed wings or my collective pitch 450 or 600 class helis.
Mike
11-30-2015, 04:10 AM
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HAHA! I wouldn't expect anything less from you Crispy!
I don't know why I am still a bit surprised (I guess I gave you too much credit!).
You and Porcia83 prance around these threads like you can do no wrong. You challenge everyone who does not agree with you, telling them they, "should do something about it, instead of posting on internet forums". When they do, it is not good enough for you! WHO are YOU? Just another sad little man hiding behind your keyboard.
It just goes to show, you get to know someone long enough, their true colors show eventually.
If you had one ounce of integrity, you would acknowledge islandflyers letter, give him kudos for doing something to participate in the process and acquiesce to the fact that the, "secret dozen" really DO exist and offer your apology for questioning HIS integrity.
SAD, you're not a big enough man to admit when you are wrong. Not sure why anyone would waste their time "engaging" with you as it is now painfully clear that you have no intention of adding anything of value to any of these threads.
I pity your SAD life. FLAME ON DUDE!
Regards,
Astro
I don't know why I am still a bit surprised (I guess I gave you too much credit!).
You and Porcia83 prance around these threads like you can do no wrong. You challenge everyone who does not agree with you, telling them they, "should do something about it, instead of posting on internet forums". When they do, it is not good enough for you! WHO are YOU? Just another sad little man hiding behind your keyboard.
It just goes to show, you get to know someone long enough, their true colors show eventually.
If you had one ounce of integrity, you would acknowledge islandflyers letter, give him kudos for doing something to participate in the process and acquiesce to the fact that the, "secret dozen" really DO exist and offer your apology for questioning HIS integrity.
SAD, you're not a big enough man to admit when you are wrong. Not sure why anyone would waste their time "engaging" with you as it is now painfully clear that you have no intention of adding anything of value to any of these threads.
I pity your SAD life. FLAME ON DUDE!
Regards,
Astro
Mike
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11-30-2015, 05:06 AM
#2121
HAHA! I wouldn't expect anything less from you Crispy!
I don't know why I am still a bit surprised (I guess I gave you too much credit!).
You and Porcia83 prance around these threads like you can do no wrong. You challenge everyone who does not agree with you, telling them they, "should do something about it, instead of posting on internet forums". When they do, it is not good enough for you! WHO are YOU? Just another sad little man hiding behind your keyboard.
It just goes to show, you get to know someone long enough, their true colors show eventually.
If you had one ounce of integrity, you would acknowledge islandflyers letter, give him kudos for doing something to participate in the process and acquiesce to the fact that the, "secret dozen" really DO exist and offer your apology for questioning HIS integrity.
SAD, you're not a big enough man to admit when you are wrong. Not sure why anyone would waste their time "engaging" with you as it is now painfully clear that you have no intention of adding anything of value to any of these threads.
I pity your SAD life. FLAME ON DUDE!
Regards,
Astro
I don't know why I am still a bit surprised (I guess I gave you too much credit!).
You and Porcia83 prance around these threads like you can do no wrong. You challenge everyone who does not agree with you, telling them they, "should do something about it, instead of posting on internet forums". When they do, it is not good enough for you! WHO are YOU? Just another sad little man hiding behind your keyboard.
It just goes to show, you get to know someone long enough, their true colors show eventually.
If you had one ounce of integrity, you would acknowledge islandflyers letter, give him kudos for doing something to participate in the process and acquiesce to the fact that the, "secret dozen" really DO exist and offer your apology for questioning HIS integrity.
SAD, you're not a big enough man to admit when you are wrong. Not sure why anyone would waste their time "engaging" with you as it is now painfully clear that you have no intention of adding anything of value to any of these threads.
I pity your SAD life. FLAME ON DUDE!
Regards,
Astro
Is your name on the list?
11-30-2015, 05:39 AM
#2122
Not all fields welcome drones with open arms. The field near me doesn't. My heli and fixed wings are welcome but not the drone. I fly my drone just as much without the camera as I do with it. Without it, less wieght , more flight time.
Who wants to be part of a group that discriminates against others just because of what they fly.
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Who wants to be part of a group that discriminates against others just because of what they fly.
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Your "Drone" ceases to be a drone once you ditch the camera and other non-essential gear so that you can enjoy flying it manually as a quadcopter [or whatever it is].
11-30-2015, 07:15 AM
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Still with the labels and name calling? Would have thought at some point you would stop. Anyway, I believe what I actually said was that Island should do something more formal, and lo and behold he did. So good for him. I always praised him (and you for that matter) for doing more than just posting on websites, even if I didn't agree on the message. At least have the intellectual honesty to admit that.