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Old 12-16-2015, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
Nobody is saying don't do it. Nowhere does it say that it's the clubs responsibility. Sole responsibility as of right now is on the owner of the air frame.

Mike
Yes that is how I read it.
Old 12-16-2015, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Sounds like a personal problem you can take up directly with the FAA.
Not at all. It is a fact. The whole point of this "law" is to keep the NAS safer, but neither you nor the retired airline pilot can explain how it is going to accomplish that? In fact nobody has been able to explain to me how this keeps the NAS safer.
Old 12-16-2015, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
Could you ask him how exactly that makes the NAS safer? Are all of you not AMA members with your info on your planes? So exactly what is the point of this pointless excercise in futility? The ONLY thing the FAA is accomplishing is pissing off the already law abiding citizens. What exactly is the point to that?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not against making the NAS safe; but this ain't it!
There are two points to deal with here:

One is following the laws of the country until those laws are done away with (see: prohibition). This is a personal decision we will each make.

The second is making the NAS safer.
In our view, these new rules are useless and asinine. We feel that those who are currently causing problems will continue to ignore the rules. We believe that what ever needs to be done to solve the problem should not include or impact "us". Just don't ask us what should be done, because we don't know either.

In the FAA's view "drones" have become a threat to full size aircraft and they MUST do something to deal with the problem. They believe having a registration number on the sUAS at least gives them a chance of tracking down the culprit if the sUAS is involved in an incident. The FAA also has the view that threatening us with massive fines will cause us to play by their rules. They also feel that making the process as simple and cheap as possible will encourage us to comply.
Old 12-16-2015, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
Not at all. It is a fact. The whole point of this "law" is to keep the NAS safer, but neither you nor the retired airline pilot can explain how it is going to accomplish that? In fact nobody has been able to explain to me how this keeps the NAS safer.
Who said the whole point of this "law" is to make the NAS safer?
Old 12-16-2015, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Wednesday is off the wall scenario day. You're winning, again.

Don't tell me that it won't happen.

Mike
Old 12-16-2015, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
Don't tell me that it won't happen.

Mike
No, I'm fairly confident you'll be this week's winner, again.
Old 12-16-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Who said the whole point of this "law" is to make the NAS safer?
For what other logical and sensible reason would they do it then?
Old 12-16-2015, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by radfordc
There are two points to deal with here:

One is following the laws of the country until those laws are done away with (see: prohibition). This is a personal decision we will each make.

The second is making the NAS safer.
In our view, these new rules are useless and asinine. We feel that those who are currently causing problems will continue to ignore the rules. We believe that what ever needs to be done to solve the problem should not include or impact "us". Just don't ask us what should be done, because we don't know either.

In the FAA's view "drones" have become a threat to full size aircraft and they MUST do something to deal with the problem. They believe having a registration number on the sUAS at least gives them a chance of tracking down the culprit if the sUAS is involved in an incident. The FAA also has the view that threatening us with massive fines will cause us to play by their rules. They also feel that making the process as simple and cheap as possible will encourage us to comply.
Let's not forget that prohibition was repealed because it did not prevent drinking, was not followed, caused violence, and imprisoned a lot of otherwise innocent people.
Old 12-16-2015, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Who said the whole point of this "law" is to make the NAS safer?
Good point, even if everybody registered the NAS would be as safe as it is now. How does chasing the violator keep us safer? Especially when most of these would do little or no damage to the aircraft.
Old 12-16-2015, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
For what other logical and sensible reason would they do it then?
Revenue. $5 does not sound like much, but could potentially bring in millions.
Old 12-16-2015, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Revenue. $5 does not sound like much, but could potentially bring in millions.
If that is the case it would be a straight up money grab. That should not even be legal. Why exactly are so many poeple willing to go along with this crap. It would sure make a pretty good statement on Dec. 21st if the FAA registration site was crickets. You won't find me there. Already an AMA member with info on my aircraft.
Old 12-16-2015, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
For what other logical and sensible reason would they do it then?
Your statement, not mine.
Old 12-16-2015, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Your statement, not mine.
Huh? You said maybe there is another reason for registration; other than to keep the NAS safe. I am simply asking you what that/those might be.
Old 12-16-2015, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
Huh? You said maybe there is another reason for registration; other than to keep the NAS safe. I am simply asking you what that/those might be.
Where did I say that?
Old 12-16-2015, 01:17 PM
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Post 2579. I would like to hear it as well.
Old 12-16-2015, 01:50 PM
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Register with the FAA. No. I am
already Registered with the AMA.

Why doesn't the Government Register all the illegal trespassers in this Country First? Do a complete Background Check,(which they will find nothing) then question the validity of their actions with the Supreme Court. That will Take years!, then we won't have to worry...
Talk about U.S. Security, what a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1974
For what other logical and sensible reason would they do it then?
As a way to track the owner. In other words, if someone looses one while flying where they are not using best judgement, the investigators will have a registration number as a lead to work with. Much like automobile registration. When you run that red light, either a peace officer or a camera is going to look at your license plate and issue you a ticket or if your car was caught on camera breaking the law, investigators have a lead to start with.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TimJ
As a way to track the owner. In other words, if someone looses one while flying where they are not using best judgement, the investigators will have a registration number as a lead to work with. Much like automobile registration. When you run that red light, either a peace officer or a camera is going to look at your license plate and issue you a ticket or if your car was caught on camera breaking the law, investigators have a lead to start with.

Wrong! Every AMA Member is ALREADY required their have their Name, address and PH# and AMA Number on the aircraft before flying it anywhere.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FLAPHappy
Wrong! Every AMA Member is ALREADY required their have their Name, address and PH# and AMA Number on the aircraft before flying it anywhere.
Actually, that's incorrect, read the AMA Safety Code.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FLAPHappy

Register with the FAA. No. I am
already Registered with the AMA.
They are not the same.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Actually, that's incorrect, read the AMA Safety Code.

Chris: If I am incorrect I will admit it, but in the AMA Safety Code, Item 2.F explains my post.
At least that is how I understand it.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
They are not the same.
Chris: I am well aware the AMA and FAA are not the same, however I do think the FAA has much more clout than the AMA.
Do I agree with all the FAA decisions, regarding model aircraft?, NO.
But until the rules specify the "DRONE's" which are the quad copters, etc that created this mess, and separate them from the Sport and Scale flying fixed winged, defining these aircraft in different categories, we all, (law abiding AMA Members) will have to follow the rules until this can be cleared up with the FAA in a court of Law.
The FAA, years ago stated they will not rule or control RC Aircraft, now they are trying.
Old 12-16-2015, 02:34 PM
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I hear you will have to pay the $5 with a credit card. Do they accept checks or what?
Old 12-16-2015, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
Word is that AMA is also telling members they don't need to register LMAs. While one can argue that CBOs might be able to do that, unless AMA has a letter from FAA designating them as a CBO, they're not one.

AMA Quote: (one) Can have models that weigh more than 55lbs but no more than 125lbs if following the Large Model Aircraft program)
Old 12-16-2015, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fliers1
I hear you will have to pay the $5 with a credit card. Do they accept checks or what?
Can't provide a cite, but my understanding is the credit card verification will be used as a check on the identity of the applicant. You need it even for a $0.00 payment.


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