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#4001
Porcia, I don't know what your definition of drone is, so I am not sure what you are implying. We discussed this and since the airport lets the military use its facilities and they have flown drones from it, we decided to use the language "multi-rotor, aka drones" because the drones the military use are fixed wing. We have three or four MR pilots in our club that fly FPV and/or through a predetermined computer programmed flight. That's what we banned. We did not ban helicopters, and we did discuss not banning MRs that are flown by radio in LOS, but the consensus was the airport authority might not be able to differentiate between FPV, BLOS, and LOS fliers. So we erred on the side of caution. As for the trainers that have gyros and computer aided flight, as long as you have personal control over the vehicle with a radio you are allowed to fly. My club decided to protect its interests, that's all.
Happy landings,
Russ
Happy landings,
Russ
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You know today, all RC Aircraft are Drones. I don't like the term but it is, what it is.
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
#4006
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You know today, all RC Aircraft are Drones. I don't like the term but it is, what it is.
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
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Luchnia, I also did my FAA registration after the AMA gave it's go ahead but nowhere on the FAA site did I see any reference to AMA numbers or even AMA membership. Did I miss something? My understanding is the use of AMA numbers in place of FAA numbers is still not official and therefore there was no mention of that contained in the FAA application. No matter as mine now have both FAA and AMA required information. In the labeling process I did find 2 of my planes missing their AMA label and corrected that. It would be nice if the FAA allows use of our AMA numbers, but as of now I don't think the FAA has stated it's OK.
Case and point with the value/misinformation these forums provide.
"AMA and the FAA are working to streamline the registration process for AMA members whereby those who register with the FAA will be able to use their AMA number as the primary identification on their model aircraft, as opposed to adding a new federal registration number."
Source:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...-registration/
The key word there is "working".
"AMA and the FAA are working to streamline the registration process for AMA members whereby those who register with the FAA will be able to use their AMA number as the primary identification on their model aircraft, as opposed to adding a new federal registration number."
Source:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...-registration/
The key word there is "working".
Under the current AMA and FAA rules:
If an aircraft was first operated prior to 12/21/2015, AMA members must have their AMA number or Name/Address in or on their model.
If an aircraft was first operated after 12/21/2015, AMA members must have their AMA number and the owner's FAA registration number on or in their models.
I simply put my AMA and FAA numbers on the same label, along with my phone number. The font is small, but legible.
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I did hear the registration website will no longer allow you to bypass the I agree page. I did due to I can not agree to fly under 400 feet.
I did make sure I clicked next while IAgree was unchecked to ensure an error would show up in there log.
I did make sure I clicked next while IAgree was unchecked to ensure an error would show up in there log.
#4011
But if this "person" who is able to see this "small mr" isn't seeing it while acting as the #550 required LOS spotter/alternate pilot , and instead is just some passer by who happens to be able to see the aircraft , well then your beyond line of sight , beyond the insurance coverage of the AMA cause your violating one of the biggest requirements of #550 , and have pretty much have become "the problem" that has brought the evil eye down on us .
Seems a pretty simple concept to grasp , it would appear .....
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It's going to get worse....rather than better. today on the senate floor:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
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Typical political speech...lacking a full understanding of the technology involved. That he loves commercial users so much is a pretty clear signal as to who we might be receiving financial support from. The clubs from his district may want to invite him down to the field for a look see.....
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Typical political speech...lacking a full understanding of the technology involved. That he loves commercial users so much is a pretty clear signal as to who we might be receiving financial support from. The clubs from his district may want to invite him down to the field for a look see.....
Case in point: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/uo1ore...nes---internet
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You know today, all RC Aircraft are Drones. I don't like the term but it is, what it is.
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
Who can say what is BLOS? If you flying with googles is any distance BLOS?
Can you use technology to view LOS flying?
If a Multirotor or fix wing have a GPS mode then it also have a manual mode that many new and experience flyers don't know that will save you from a fly away.
So seeing all this hate towards MR is sad and wrong using safety as the mechanism to ban them. What about the true scale heavy wing load warbirds? They are very unsafe compared to ARF warbirds.
Should you ban them? NO that's crazy talk. Same as MR with or without cameras or GPS.
It's just sad for these clubs to show hate!
Same thing racing small FPV quads through a woods or obstacle course should BLOS With FPB Glasses is be No Harm No Foul. the only thing they may pose a danger to is a squirrel or rabbit or two..
Not so with the JET Jockey Full Scale Hot dogger, down on the deck full throttle endangering him self his aircraft and his passengers. What for, a big thrill, and to show off for his friends I Guess ? If a MR or FPV equipped fixed wing goes down NO HARM NO FOUL. Just makes it harder than the FULL SCALE that's going to make a BIG SMOKE'N HOLE with bodies in it.
The FAA is Painting every thing with a large Brush that every on int h country knows won't (With OUT education) will do little to Nothing to solve the real problem. That's uneducated IDIOTS Flying QUADS near the final approach path at large airports. Just Registration will do nothing for this Problem. Idiots will be Idiots and continue to do what ever they please.
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What are you talking about? They totally understand the technology.
Case in point: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/uo1ore...nes---internet
Case in point: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/uo1ore...nes---internet
#4022
It's going to get worse....rather than better. today on the senate floor:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
#4023
It's going to get worse....rather than better. today on the senate floor:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c457655...-speech-drones
458-508--listen for yourself
Some snippets at the end include:
embedded software prohibiting near airport, above " a certain altitude"
break limits how to identify? Registration/licenses
Commercial users are great. Hobbyist/kid "probability of accident waiting to happen"
Next two months we will have to come up with answers"
Here's the text of letter Senator Nelson sent to the heads of three agency stakeholders:
To Administrator Huerta, Administrator Bolden, Secretary Carter and Secretary Johnson:
Technological advancements hold immense potential to improve lives, while also creating new, unintended dangers. Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) are no exception to this. While industries clamor to integrate UAS into their operations to improve safety, increase efficiency, and promote growth, we must be vigilant to mitigate the safety and security risks that this new technology presents.
The characteristics of UAS—small, inexpensive, portable, and anonymous—lend themselves to nefarious uses by a range of actors, from criminals to lone-wolf terrorists. Ground-based fences and other security systems are not a practical deterrent to UAS, unbounded by altitude limitations. Each incident of a UAS sighted near an airport runway, or used to smuggle contraband over a prison wall, reminds us that this technology poses another kind of threat.
Because our national defense and critical infrastructure security systems are vulnerable to this threat, so we must evolve to meet it. To that end, I ask that your agencies increase collaboration to mitigate the risk posed by UAS to aviation, critical infrastructure, and national security.
Additionally, the safety of the skies relies on your agencies’ air traffic control operations to separate and de-conflict tens of thousands of flights per day, transporting millions of passengers and cargo. Rapidly evolving technology, paired with the exponential market penetration of UAS and the ease of use for operators with no aviation experience or knowledge, promise to deliver new challenges.
What strategies or technologies are you pursuing to prevent UAS from entering airspace above or immediately adjacent to critical infrastructure and sensitive locations? Are you considering additional airspace restrictions to address the flight characteristics and capabilities of UAS that differ from manned aircraft? What is the status of federal collaboration to meet these challenges in a manner that promotes safety without stifling growth in the UAS or traditional aviation industries?
Leveraging the expertise and efforts of your agencies through collaboration and communication will enable our nation to meet the threats and challenges posed by UAS and take advantage of the opportunities too. Congress should be your partner in these endeavors, and as we work to reauthorize aviation programs, I ask that you keep me informed of developments to promote safety and security for UAS.
Sincerely,
/s/ Senator Nelson
/s/ Senator Nelson
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