WAKE UP AMA. Another field closed!!
11-12-2015, 07:35 PM
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It's not the Brandy, it's just your inability to try to have a meaningful discussion or understand another perspective without going on the attack, constantly poised and looking for a good zinger, or reason to disagree. You don't appear to be searching for understanding, you're searching for more argument (as will be evidenced by your response). The accusations of twisting to spinning to now waffling...the tactics are old and tired, I fed the vortex to often. You will never be clear on anything I write...that much is clear. 
Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11-12-2015, 07:41 PM
#152
It's not the Brandy, it's just your inability to try to have a meaningful discussion or understand another perspective without going on the attack, constantly poised and looking for a good zinger, or reason to disagree. You don't appear to be searching for understanding, you're searching for more argument (as will be evidenced by your response). The accusations of twisting to spinning to now waffling...the tactics are old and tired, I fed the vortex to often. You will never be clear on anything I write...that much is clear. Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯I didn't ZING anyone, I simply pointed out what could be construed as blatant contradictions on your part and it apparently struck a nerve........
Astro
11-13-2015, 04:41 AM
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I know folks all over the eastern areas....RC is a small world.
That issue aside, try reading the whole article and digesting all the data, including the background info rather than dropping a link in. It's amazing how much more context and perspective can be shed on the issue.
That issue aside, try reading the whole article and digesting all the data, including the background info rather than dropping a link in. It's amazing how much more context and perspective can be shed on the issue.
Mike
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11-13-2015, 05:45 AM
#155
I would honestly like to know what parts of the post you were in agreement with, otherwise it is not clear what your stance is. Kinda hard to have a meaningful discussion if we cannot convey our thoughts clearly.
Is that too much to ask? Woulda been easier to clarify your words than to take the offensive and accuse me of ZINGING! LOL
By the way, I am unclear on what a ZING is. Can you point out the point in my post that was a ZING? Was it the word, "waffle"? REALLY?
Astro
Is that too much to ask? Woulda been easier to clarify your words than to take the offensive and accuse me of ZINGING! LOL
By the way, I am unclear on what a ZING is. Can you point out the point in my post that was a ZING? Was it the word, "waffle"? REALLY?
Astro
11-14-2015, 09:26 AM
#157
It's not the Brandy, it's just your inability to try to have a meaningful discussion or understand another perspective without going on the attack, constantly poised and looking for a good zinger, or reason to disagree. You don't appear to be searching for understanding, you're searching for more argument (as will be evidenced by your response). The accusations of twisting to spinning to now waffling...the tactics are old and tired, I fed the vortex to often. You will never be clear on anything I write...that much is clear. Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agree or disagree, rant about twisting and spinning some more...whatevs.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11-14-2015, 01:27 PM
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11-14-2015, 01:56 PM
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There are only so many hours in the day, especially when there is urgent business to tend to.
You have to first clearly identify the problem.
The AMA failed to do this, they did the opposite.
There isn't any use talking about what the next course of action should have been, but if they did have the foresight to draw a clear distinction between HOW WE FLY versus how drones fly, they wouldn't be wasting so much time and energy like they are right now in damage control mode.
They would obviously have freed up extra resources to tend to the day to day needs of the organization, including reaching out to the communities that are Hell bent to ban RC.
You have to first clearly identify the problem.
The AMA failed to do this, they did the opposite.
There isn't any use talking about what the next course of action should have been, but if they did have the foresight to draw a clear distinction between HOW WE FLY versus how drones fly, they wouldn't be wasting so much time and energy like they are right now in damage control mode.
They would obviously have freed up extra resources to tend to the day to day needs of the organization, including reaching out to the communities that are Hell bent to ban RC.
11-14-2015, 03:03 PM
#162
What makes you think the AMA isn't already addressing the issue? The AMA tiny compared to something like the NRA (180k members vs. 4.2M members) so the don't have the financial resources (lobbying power) the NRA does.
11-14-2015, 03:08 PM
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Agree with Combat above, only in so far as not wasting time being concerned with what might have been, but what we are to deal with going forward. The rest of it is the usual anti-AMA message. They are most certainly taking care of day to day operations, the wheels certainly haven't come off the bus because they are involved in advocating for members and the hobbies. Thankfully they can do more than one thing at once. the next couple of weeks should be interesting!
11-14-2015, 06:37 PM
#166
You are such a freaking hypocrite!
Oh, and by making comments like the one above you ARE interacting with me. Not the kind if interaction that I asked you for (simple clarification of your statement), but the very kind that you accuse and bash others for!
There is no place for your type on these forums, it is no wonder you have been banned from so many of the other ones!
Regards,
Astro
11-14-2015, 07:00 PM
#167
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Ha..lol...Yes, by all means, you get to be judge and jury for who belongs on these forums. You can't even get your taunts right. There...you got some more attention. All better now?
If you don't like my comments, just skip over them or learn how to use the ignore function. Don't take it personally if I don't respond to your every comment, it's nothing personal. I respond when I want to, to whom I want to...mkay? You can do the same.
If you don't like my comments, just skip over them or learn how to use the ignore function. Don't take it personally if I don't respond to your every comment, it's nothing personal. I respond when I want to, to whom I want to...mkay? You can do the same.
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11-14-2015, 07:27 PM
#168
Yep, we could have many more members ,but: [h=1]Membership Drive Reaction[/h][h=3]by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee[/h]As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
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11-14-2015, 07:36 PM
#169
Based on some of the posts in this thread it appears a few are going to run for senior leadership positions in the AMA in the next election. I expect them to iron everything out in a in few days after being elected. Nothing at all to worry about, we'll be in good, er, great hands then.
11-14-2015, 07:41 PM
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Ok, what I meant was although I am aware of those at AMA are already doing what they can, does anyone else have any ideas what AMA could or should be doing ? What is in their power that could be done?
Yep, we could have many more members ,but: Membership Drive Reaction
by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee
As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
Yep, we could have many more members ,but: Membership Drive Reaction
by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee
As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
11-14-2015, 07:45 PM
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Ok, what I meant was although I am aware of those at AMA are already doing what they can, does anyone else have any ideas what AMA could or should be doing ? What is in their power that could be done?
Yep, we could have many more members ,but: Membership Drive Reaction
by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee
As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
Yep, we could have many more members ,but: Membership Drive Reaction
by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee
As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
Are the current rules and regs prohibitive for how we operate? I don't personally think they are. What if we're required to "register" our AMA number of something along those lines (which I don't think we will)...will that be a game changer? I get the fact that some don't want more Gov intervention, heck most don't...but there isn't much we can do right now to stop that. not at a singular or even club level.
Same goes for growth at the club level. That doesn't always lead to optimal outcomes. Some clubs want to remain small, in fact have to remain small for lots of reasons. When I first joined a club I'm in now they capped membership and turned lots of people away. Meanwhile, a club less than 10 minutes away was losing people left and right, and got down to about 20 people. Clubs do curios things sometimes, but sometimes there are reasons behind it.
11-14-2015, 08:11 PM
#172
Sometimes, membership doesn't drive reaction. What's going on now in terms of the MR issue, as well as elections that were going on for VP positions. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it doesn't seem like any significant and meaningful portion of the AMA membership is that caught up in any of these things to take action, and by action I mean more than posting on an internet site. Look at the last elections results. Look at how many people are running for offices now? Look how many people responded to the FAA. Even assuming everyone of them is an AMA member..what does it show? Apathy, perhaps a lack of awareness on membership (RCmiket has indicated this in regards to the dues issues), or maybe it's not an issue that folks feel is going to affect them. Has anything that's happened over the past 4 years affected you or the club you fly in (or clubs). Not in the ones I'm involved in.
Are the current rules and regs prohibitive for how we operate? I don't personally think they are. What if we're required to "register" our AMA number of something along those lines (which I don't think we will)...will that be a game changer? I get the fact that some don't want more Gov intervention, heck most don't...but there isn't much we can do right now to stop that. not at a singular or even club level.
Same goes for growth at the club level. That doesn't always lead to optimal outcomes. Some clubs want to remain small, in fact have to remain small for lots of reasons. When I first joined a club I'm in now they capped membership and turned lots of people away. Meanwhile, a club less than 10 minutes away was losing people left and right, and got down to about 20 people. Clubs do curios things sometimes, but sometimes there are reasons behind it.
Are the current rules and regs prohibitive for how we operate? I don't personally think they are. What if we're required to "register" our AMA number of something along those lines (which I don't think we will)...will that be a game changer? I get the fact that some don't want more Gov intervention, heck most don't...but there isn't much we can do right now to stop that. not at a singular or even club level.
Same goes for growth at the club level. That doesn't always lead to optimal outcomes. Some clubs want to remain small, in fact have to remain small for lots of reasons. When I first joined a club I'm in now they capped membership and turned lots of people away. Meanwhile, a club less than 10 minutes away was losing people left and right, and got down to about 20 people. Clubs do curios things sometimes, but sometimes there are reasons behind it.
Historically, the AMA has done a bang-up job at serving the modelers' needs. It is painfully clear that they are NOT the proper organization to advocate for drones, nor do I believe it is too late for the AMA to take a step back and let the FAA or whomever, take on that role. Let the AMA continue to be an exemplary CBO for the hobby it has proven to be able to understand and regulate. As always, it is important that each AMA member voice his/her opinion both to AMA leadership as well as the FAA, the regulatory task force, AND at a local club level to let all of our club members be aware what is happening and how they can participate. Beyond that, it is up to each individual to do their part. Member participation at any level in the past has been sadly lethargic in my opinion and the only way to change that is to spread awareness and urge for members to AT LEAST have, and voice, an opinion!
Regards,
Astro
11-14-2015, 08:24 PM
#173
While I back AMA totally on what they've tried to do, and what they've actually accomplished, I think we all should understand that this is - at the bottom of all of it - simply a move by the government to CONTROL another aspect of our lives. Telling AMA what we think is all well and good, BUT the US govt has already made up their minds (if they have one) as to what's going to happen and no amount of letter writing, phone calling, or any of the rest of it is going to make any difference at all.
I was born into a military family, did my own military career - was 42 before I was finally free of 100% government control of my life. I heard, and unfortunately believed, all the promises - AND I'VE LIVED TO SEE 95% OF THEM BROKEN. This is no different.
Yeah, I'm a bit of a pessimist. They made me that way.
I was born into a military family, did my own military career - was 42 before I was finally free of 100% government control of my life. I heard, and unfortunately believed, all the promises - AND I'VE LIVED TO SEE 95% OF THEM BROKEN. This is no different.
Yeah, I'm a bit of a pessimist. They made me that way.
11-15-2015, 05:07 AM
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Based on some of the posts in this thread it appears a few are going to run for senior leadership positions in the AMA in the next election. I expect them to iron everything out in a in few days after being elected. Nothing at all to worry about, we'll be in good, er, great hands then.
Mike.
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