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11-24-2015, 07:26 AM
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11-24-2015, 07:40 AM
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11-24-2015, 07:41 AM
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11-24-2015, 07:46 AM
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That's why we grow old and die. Can't stand the change to the new ways. Look at any of your old buddies where his wife puts his stuff up for sale ten year after he dies. He's got nothing but Old Planes and Old equipment that went out of style 20 years ago.
11-24-2015, 07:52 AM
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I guess we should be grateful they don't make us to equip our TOY's with this "YET".
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11-24-2015, 08:01 AM
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OK, gotta say it. While I have issues with some of the spelling & grammer of the comments, I really don't have a lot of issues with the thoughts represented. My only REAL issue is a simple question: I and 200,000 other guys go along with the govt's program, and we register. How do they find the owner of the sUAS (whatever it might be) that's unmarked (doesn't matter whether it's registered or not really) and just went through the windshield of the 747 that was climbing through 2,000 feet on take-off?
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
11-24-2015, 09:15 AM
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OK, gotta say it. While I have issues with some of the spelling & grammer of the comments, I really don't have a lot of issues with the thoughts represented. My only REAL issue is a simple question: I and 200,000 other guys go along with the govt's program, and we register. How do they find the owner of the sUAS (whatever it might be) that's unmarked (doesn't matter whether it's registered or not really) and just went through the windshield of the 747 that was climbing through 2,000 feet on take-off?
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
11-24-2015, 01:04 PM
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In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too..."
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too..."
You are absolutely right that some of the people will not follow the rules and regs, and many of those have burdened us all with this knee jerk almost useless new process, but I see it as mostly benign. It could have been worse.
My hope is that when another incident occurs that brings the "drone", or MR, or even fixed wing issue into the public's eye and the perp is caught, they throw the book at him. Arrest, fined, aircraft confiscated, maybe even jail time (fact dependent)
11-24-2015, 01:22 PM
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If WE don't do anything wrong We won't get caught....or nailed etc etc. I don't see how what is going on is going to get us in trouble if we're not the ones doing something wrong.
You are absolutely right that some of the people will not follow the rules and regs, and many of those have burdened us all with this knee jerk almost useless new process, but I see it as mostly benign. It could have been worse.
My hope is that when another incident occurs that brings the "drone", or MR, or even fixed wing issue into the public's eye and the perp is caught, they throw the book at him. Arrest, fined, aircraft confiscated, maybe even jail time (fact dependent
You are absolutely right that some of the people will not follow the rules and regs, and many of those have burdened us all with this knee jerk almost useless new process, but I see it as mostly benign. It could have been worse.
My hope is that when another incident occurs that brings the "drone", or MR, or even fixed wing issue into the public's eye and the perp is caught, they throw the book at him. Arrest, fined, aircraft confiscated, maybe even jail time (fact dependent
11-24-2015, 01:35 PM
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11-24-2015, 01:53 PM
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Sporty U want to live forever?
That's why we grow old and die. Can't stand the change to the new ways. Look at any of your old buddies where his wife puts his stuff up for sale ten year after he dies. He's got nothing but Old Planes and Old equipment that went out of style 20 years ago.
That's why we grow old and die. Can't stand the change to the new ways. Look at any of your old buddies where his wife puts his stuff up for sale ten year after he dies. He's got nothing but Old Planes and Old equipment that went out of style 20 years ago.
In motor sports, the true sportsman still loves the old equipment, whether he is 70 or 20 years old.
11-24-2015, 02:04 PM
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11-24-2015, 02:06 PM
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11-24-2015, 02:12 PM
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11-24-2015, 02:16 PM
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It would be nice to have some kind of exception for AMA members to allow us to use our already existing numbers No doubt this could be accomplished with a few keystrokes of programming. No doubt as well it won't happen as some other group will argue a special exception was made for us.
11-24-2015, 02:25 PM
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OK, gotta say it. While I have issues with some of the spelling & grammer of the comments, I really don't have a lot of issues with the thoughts represented. My only REAL issue is a simple question: I and 200,000 other guys go along with the govt's program, and we register. How do they find the owner of the sUAS (whatever it might be) that's unmarked (doesn't matter whether it's registered or not really) and just went through the windshield of the 747 that was climbing through 2,000 feet on take-off?
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
In my view, the whole thing really IS simply a government exercise that will eventually nail some/most/all of us under one pretext or another, and the idiots that caused this thing in the first place will happily go on doing their idiotic stuff - unregistered, uncaught, uncaring.
And, YES - AMA sounds totally frustrated, as I am too.
11-24-2015, 03:37 PM
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11-24-2015, 04:25 PM
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250 grams? Really? That is retarded. I guarantee that limit was settled on not because of the probability of an object of 250 grams falling from some height hurting someone. It was settled on because it's a heavier weight than most of the little quads sold my Walmart, Amazon and the rest and they won't have their golden goose messed with. They estimate a ratio of 20,000,000 (20 million!) flight hours per fatality in UAV. The actual ratio for all aviation in the US for the year 2000 was 1.9 fatalities per 100,000 flight hours (according to good old wikipedia). That makes us almost 400% safer than the other users of the NAS even considering they used an artificially high population density to get the UAS number. More people on the ground have been killed by one full scale plane crashe than have ever been killed by hobby users of the NAS so maybe the FAA should concentrate on that instead if they are so serious about saving lives.
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11-24-2015, 05:12 PM
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If WE don't do anything wrong We won't get caught....or nailed etc etc. I don't see how what is going on is going to get us in trouble if we're not the ones doing something wrong.
You are absolutely right that some of the people will not follow the rules and regs, and many of those have burdened us all with this knee jerk almost useless new process, but I see it as mostly benign. It could have been worse.
My hope is that when another incident occurs that brings the "drone", or MR, or even fixed wing issue into the public's eye and the perp is caught, they throw the book at him. Arrest, fined, aircraft confiscated, maybe even jail time (fact dependent)
You are absolutely right that some of the people will not follow the rules and regs, and many of those have burdened us all with this knee jerk almost useless new process, but I see it as mostly benign. It could have been worse.
My hope is that when another incident occurs that brings the "drone", or MR, or even fixed wing issue into the public's eye and the perp is caught, they throw the book at him. Arrest, fined, aircraft confiscated, maybe even jail time (fact dependent)
Another AMA field closed. Drones do it again (almost non of these at AMA fields).
Public perception is the real driver and is not linked to reality.
The truth is not the problem, it is perception.
When they close RC fields, it is almost always because of perception. Not an incident. All the people hurt did no wrong. Yet they are the ones that suffer.
They fact that you see it as "mostly benign" is most likely that it hasn't touched you.
I had a non-incident close a field 2 miles from my house. I consider myself lucky that I can now drive 14 miles to a very nice flying field. My worry is that not framing this debate properly will hurt all us legal and safe flyers to extinction.
What do we do then?
11-24-2015, 06:31 PM
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As stated so often, there's the rub. Take one step back and look at the forum topics.
Another AMA field closed. Drones do it again (almost non of these at AMA fields).
Public perception is the real driver and is not linked to reality.
The truth is not the problem, it is perception.
When they close RC fields, it is almost always because of perception. Not an incident. All the people hurt did no wrong. Yet they are the ones that suffer.
They fact that you see it as "mostly benign" is most likely that it hasn't touched you.
I had a non-incident close a field 2 miles from my house. I consider myself lucky that I can now drive 14 miles to a very nice flying field. My worry is that not framing this debate properly will hurt all us legal and safe flyers to extinction.
What do we do then?
Another AMA field closed. Drones do it again (almost non of these at AMA fields).
Public perception is the real driver and is not linked to reality.
The truth is not the problem, it is perception.
When they close RC fields, it is almost always because of perception. Not an incident. All the people hurt did no wrong. Yet they are the ones that suffer.
They fact that you see it as "mostly benign" is most likely that it hasn't touched you.
I had a non-incident close a field 2 miles from my house. I consider myself lucky that I can now drive 14 miles to a very nice flying field. My worry is that not framing this debate properly will hurt all us legal and safe flyers to extinction.
What do we do then?
We can only "frame" the issue so much, the same with the AMA. They have been relentless in the messaging about "drone" safety, and model aviation safety. Some will argue they did too much, some say to little, or what they did was ineffective. Put all the arguments aside, they did SOMETHING....which was better than not being involved at all.
Yes, a field was closed down. That will continue to happen, for many reasons. Nothing the AMA can do to prevent that. In the case that's noted here, it was local politics that caused that closure, not a new or even existing regulation. It was one faction of park users against another....local politics at it's best.
We need to keep flying, promote the hobby in a safe way, and most importantly keep having fun.
