Sport_Pilot

One reason I answered wrong. The title said one thing but the question said another and as you said was not as clear as it should be. I think Yes is it was a mistake, but how?

init4fun

In BOTH post # 14 AND post # 30 I addressed the mistake in the wording between the thread title and the poll . Funny that is seems the drone supporters are mostly the ones having problems , maybe the anti drone crew actually took the time to READ the whole thread before answering ? PS , nice personal attack with the idiot comment , that just makes your point SO much more right , eh ? God forbid you should actually attempt to discuss this without the attack nonsense , you and hound , the loudest pro drone voices here , are also the rudest to the fellow posters . Your doing your position NO favors with the attack , just making yourself look , well , like someone arguing SUCH a weak point that personal attacks are the best ya got . Pretty sad , really .....

Sport_Pilot

The whole debate is nonsensical because I do not know of any instance the AMA has supported drones. It is all about RC model airplanes. A quad is not a drone unless it is autonomous. Pretty sure the present autonomous versions are going to require a commercial license to fly in the near future. So other than some stabilization those quads with cameras will not be able to return home for instance, unless the operator has a license.

combatpigg

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As the bleating rolls in about how hard your "Was the AMA wrong.... Yes or No?" question was to understand, it reveals why so many of them would not be in this hobby if not for the availability of pre-assembled planes that can fly by themselves.

porcia83

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Of course there is a focus on current members, that's a good thing right? If he was holding a heli and went to the Orlando Heli Blowout would anyone be complaining about that here? Gosh I hope not. I met him two years ago at the Maine Jet Rally event, should he not have been there? The focus is always going to be on current members, but they can also try to attract and welcome new members along the way. I'm sure you will agree with me (I know it can happen..) that the MR/Drone/Quad market is the biggest growth opportunity in the hobby right now correct? They certainly should be (and are) looking for membership in that segment, to the consternation of many I might add.

As for numbers, don't know how that could be calculated other than a survey I guess. But keep in mind there are many folks who have both know fixed wing and MR/Drone. I think we will have an increase in membership from these folks, I think previous numbers from either last year or early this year stated 2,000. I see any new dues paying and safe flying member of the AMA as a good thing. If you are looking at it purely from the perspective of how many we gained versus how much money was spent, I don't know if that's the best metric to use. Also, a SIG isn't there for the sole purpose of drawing in new members of the AMA. I doubt the formation of any of them actually drew more people in over the years, it just gives them an additional association.

Todd D

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I wonder if the votes would be different if the poll question included the Websters definition of a "drone".

http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drone

porcia83

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Because there are some people who want to join the AMA and fly at a field, with rules, that's why.

As for the opportunity in the summer....did you see this on the AMA website:

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/med...ones-dont-mix/

What purpose would it serve to have the AMA issue a separate press release that would basically say the same thing. I don't see the benefit of the AMA issuing a press release every time there is bad news about drones/MR. The AMA members already know how they should be operating, and so who are we trying to reach? The public...who would then see the AMA at every instance of negative press.

porcia83

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Should the rest file in lockstep with those that don't allow differing opinions, pining away for the good old day while slowly becoming obsolete as the hobby passes them by? Who will lead that line?

porcia83

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Harsh, impolite, and uncalled for. Might want to change that last line, is that really needed? It's a poll, the majority of folks answering it answered how they want. I was one that read it to fast and answered contrary to how I wanted, but at the end of the day does it matter? The gist of it is still there.

porcia83

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Perhaps, but every time I see someone post up a definition of it, all I think of is....and? The only ones who get to "define" it are the people making the rules. We may feel one way, but at the end of the day, it's them making the final call.

HoundDog

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What U should be petitioning for is an ALert Areas of 1/2 mile in dia. A semi circle where the Flying field has 1 runway and a 1/2 mile full Circle where there's more than one runway with a ceiling of 1500 Feet. The FAA approves them every day for Stadiums power plants sporting events etc. Why not Designated R/C Flying fields as Alert Areas. We would still be able to call out Full Scale when they break an Alert Area, Just as we all do every day.

804

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Third name in under the "no" is
franklin_m. He has consistenly been with you all along and clearly is in the "wrong"
column.
Maybe you'd like to call him stupid, too?

init4fun

Very true !

Many folks have their own definition of the word but in the end it will be the FAA's definition that matters .

For my own purposes , I do like the ; "beyond line of sight , OR with a mission other than the flight itself" definition , but then again the FAA hasn't specifically asked me for my take on it , and I'm not exactly waiting by the phone for their call

combatpigg

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Porcia himself was the first to say he made a stupid mistake and mentioned that Franklin did too.
I can "buy into" someone admitting to making a stupid mistake, but not someone who tries to claim that the question was too hard to understand when the overwhelming majority of responders had NO problem at all "deciphering" what was meant.

Do I think Franklin is stupid..?
Not by a long shot and I salute a guy who could have made a very lucrative living in the Private Sector for devoting the "best years" of his life to military service.

jatoRC

So you expect every drone owner that has a drone that will auto return to home and land because of low power or it lost comms with the transmitter to go and apply for a commercial license just so they can use that feature? I think not.

astrohog

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When I hear talk about, "return to home" I automatically envision BLOS flight operations, which I assume, requires some kind of autonomous flight system, no?

No need for return to home and auto land when operating LOS, right?

Astro

cj_rumley

Absolutely. He's very analytical too, and "mistake" is somewhat ambiguous, often used for polity where "acted irresponsibly" or "acted out of malice" is more straightforward. Like a repentant criminal saying how sorry he is for his "mistake." Does anybody think it just happened and the guy didn't intend to do it?
Franklin can well speak for himself, and I would never presume to do so, and he may or may not speak regarding his position. If/until he does I like to think that his NO meant he believed AMA didn't make a mistake, they did exactly what they intended to do.

TheEdge

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~It seems to me that the members here, often in multiples, get annoyed and even frustrated with Porcia when he posts. I would go as far to say that it is just about anything he posts. I would have thought he would think about how he could be less of a common denominator but am actually thinking now that it's his intention to create this atmospere as he thrives on the attention.

I'm curious, is it just me or are others noticing a patter nere and if you do, do you enjoy it or would you rather not see it?

HoundDog

My Feedback: (49)

WOW up to 73 to 18 ... Looks like U.ll only need another 185,000 / 2 = 92,500 + 1 -73 = 92.428 yes votes to have a simple majority.God Luck. Look at this directlyform the AMA Web site.

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AMA has officially welcomed its newest Special Interest Group (SIG), MultiGP, also known as Multirotor Grand Prix, to represent the First-Person View (FPV) racing community. FPV racing has exploded in popularity in the last few years. Many AMA members have embraced this type of racing and several new model aviation pilots have joined the community because of their interest in FPV. "The AMA is proud to work with MultiGP. FPV racing is a fun and exciting type of model flying activity and one that can enhance our community and the hobby," said Bob Brown, president of AMA. Becoming an official SIG of the AMA will cement the relationship between the two organizations and provide members with the best experience when they decide to start flying models or progress in FPV flying.



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cj_rumley

it's not just you

804

My Feedback: (1)

I deciphered it quickly myself
and decided not to participate in such a poorly
worded and misleading poll.
If indeed franklin is not stupid,
then the evidence points to the fact that
anyone who can't or won't admit
to the shoddiness of the poll and the question
is either a moron or a liar.

astrohog

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DITTO.

While I do appreciate it when he simply shares his opinions, they are few and far between; Between his obviously leading, obtuse, needling, circular and purposely annoying posts, thinly veiled as something they are not.

Regards,

Astro

combatpigg

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If that is what it takes to make you feel better about the landslide outcome of this poll, then go lick your wounds with your Home Spun Remedies.

astrohog

My Feedback: (1)

I'm seeing some commonality in these threads recently.

Anybody else notice that there are a select few that spend an inordinate amount of time posting about, "shoddy" polls and "amateur hour" letters that supposedly have no merit?

And they are the first to point fingers at others, calling them intolerant! LOL

SO TRANSPARENT (hypocritical, childish and a complete WASTE of everyone else's time).

Regards,

Astro

804

My Feedback: (1)

Could be, but if the question was as
straight forward as you all say, there should be no questioning the question,
nor anyone's position on the matter. Nice of you to give him an "out", tho.
As an aside to this fascinating discussion, there is something I've
wondered about you there cj.
Back in the days when you were known as
abel pranger, especially over at rc groups,
you were all about telling the world how fpv
was indeed a part of modelling. Of course,
I think that was before AMA officially recognized
fpv as aero-modelling.
So now, It make one wonder-
just a change of heart, or just another
opportunity to ***** about AMA?