With all the hype who is going to leave the hobby?
12-17-2015, 03:19 PM
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That is not always how it works. A review of all policies is needed in order to examine the language. In most cases a standard ISO based policy will claim to be excess to any other insurance. Commercial policies vary, as do manuscript policies. Don't forget as well that not everyone who flies at an AMA club has homeowners coverage, or even renters coverage. The limits afforded to them via the AMA coverage is their only layer of protection, so if they are off in a field somewhere and something happens, they most likely will eb covered.
12-17-2015, 03:51 PM
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You really are a go along to get along kinda guy aren't you? Fact of the matter is if the AMA had made a clear distinction between traditional RC and those with autonomous flight systems and FPV we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. They chose to chase that pie in the sky drone money that they're never going to see. I can't wait to see how many of the estimated 1 million recipients of drones this Christmas run to their computers to register with the FAA and join the AMA before they run out into their cul de sacs and smack that thing into their neighbors car, but wait maybe they'll be busy finding out if they're too close to an airport before they fly... Seriously doubt either. The AMA ignored their constituency whether you like it or not that's a fact whether they're a small organization or not they let us down. Stand up when you've been slighted don't go along to get along!!! And don't let your wife tell you when you can fly either..go when you want!!! I'm so sick of guys that have been defanged and deballed. That's what's wrong with this whole country!!!
12-17-2015, 04:13 PM
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You really are a go along to get along kinda guy aren't you? Fact of the matter is if the AMA had made a clear distinction between traditional RC and those with autonomous flight systems and FPV we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. They chose to chase that pie in the sky drone money that they're never going to see. I can't wait to see how many of the estimated 1 million recipients of drones this Christmas run to their computers to register with the FAA and join the AMA before they run out into their cul de sacs and smack that thing into their neighbors car, but wait maybe they'll be busy finding out if they're too close to an airport before they fly... Seriously doubt either. The AMA ignored their constituency whether you like it or not that's a fact whether they're a small organization or not they let us down. Stand up when you've been slighted don't go along to get along!!! And don't let your wife tell you when you can fly either..go when you want!!! I'm so sick of guys that have been defanged and deballed. That's what's wrong with this whole country!!!
12-18-2015, 04:50 AM
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Accept that now we see from postings here all the previously law/rule abiding AMA members..who love to tout their years of flying safe and following the rules...openly stating that they will violate the law and fly without registering. I guess they only follow the rules and laws they agree with? Selective law abiding law breakers I guess?
12-18-2015, 05:59 AM
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I still stand by that in five years we will not recognize this hobby and the only ones in it will be the ones that dotted on the i's and crossed all the t's, the government foot is in the door and now the AMA rules are void and the gov. Is the new rulers of the hobby.
12-18-2015, 06:24 AM
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Not drunk, not a dem, no koolaid but man does that take me back. My drink of choice is Coke. a horrible choice. Ah that turn of the cap, that hsssss, a and the first sip. Heaven! Harder to give up than smoking. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Best of luck to you in the new year with the whole "rouge" thing. You might be one of those lucky few that have a private club that doesn't require AMA, or like others here fly by yourself. Blue skies and calm winds......
Best of luck to you in the new year with the whole "rouge" thing. You might be one of those lucky few that have a private club that doesn't require AMA, or like others here fly by yourself. Blue skies and calm winds......
I'm addicted to Coke as well... oh wait did you mean the soda?
AMA posted this recently:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...odel-aircraft/
12-18-2015, 06:28 AM
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As for 5 years...yes, the hobby will have changed from now til then. Just like it did 5 years ago to now. Times change...technology changes..situations change....and people and organizations better change along with it else they become obsolete.
12-18-2015, 06:32 AM
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I'm addicted to Coke as well... oh wait did you mean the soda?
AMA posted this recently:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...odel-aircraft/
AMA posted this recently:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...odel-aircraft/
As for the recent post..yup, more action by the AMA. I can tell you with 100% certainty that their next step will be vilified and second guessed and criticized as well. That's just what happens no matter what they do. Can't please everyone!
12-18-2015, 07:56 AM
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Well ya the drink (20 ounce bottles are my fav)....ironically at the end of the day the stuff in the can is worse than the other.
As for the recent post..yup, more action by the AMA. I can tell you with 100% certainty that their next step will be vilified and second guessed and criticized as well. That's just what happens no matter what they do. Can't please everyone!
As for the recent post..yup, more action by the AMA. I can tell you with 100% certainty that their next step will be vilified and second guessed and criticized as well. That's just what happens no matter what they do. Can't please everyone!
storytime....
I volunteer at an animal shelter, working primarily with behavioral training of dogs, mostly pitbulls. You see the great, the good, the bad, and the ugly, often in the same day. The mission is to obviously get the dogs adopted, but you also have a mission to the public to only adopt out dogs that you feel good about. You can't adopt out a dog you feel is a risk to others. Nothing good comes of taking a risk and adopting out a dog that ends up mauling a child, etc.... You volunteer long enough and invariably there comes a time where you have a dog that you're working with that the shelter decides not to "move forward with", or euthanize. I can't really describe how hard it is, you've invested months, sometimes even years in a particular dog, and for whatever reasons the staff decides that it isn't in the best interest of the shelter or the community to move forward with an animal that you've put so much effort into. I remember one dog that was absolutely awesome with me and one of my all time favorites, but had scratched 3 other staff members and torn one person's clothing. I hated the decision at the time, but I sat back and thought about it. Would I have adopted the dog? no.. I couldn't with 2 small kids, Chuck wasn't able to control himself enough to be around kids...... Did I understand why they made the decision? Yes, if I myself wouldn't adopt the dog, how could I ask another family too? Overall big picture was it the right decision? probably, though I still miss that stinker. So, I understand why, I can get behind that, I don't like it..... but I can support it because I understand why they did it and I understand that it fits in with our larger mission.
Why did I tell that story.... Organization I was a part of made a decision I didn't like. I took the time to sit back and understand the decision and while I didn't like it personally, I realized that it was likely the right long term decision and the correct "big picture" decision. Our shelter has never adopted out a pitbull that has injured someone.... and we don't ever want to lose that.
So the AMA chose to embrace drones. Some people think this was wrong. The world is about to become "drones"... google and amazon are turning them into a business, you can buy them at almost any store, even Kohl's and Barns and Nobles are selling quads. If the AMA stayed separate, next year there would be 185000 AMA members and 10,000,000 drone pilots. or in other words, the AMA would be completely irrelevant when the FAA decides it needs to put some type of structure in place to manage the airspace. The FAA is going to focus on the 10,000,000, not the 185,000...but that doesn't mean we get left alone.. it is too hard to distinguish between an AMA member flying his foamy at the local park and a "drone operator" operating at the same park ( lets face it, not all of us AMA members only fly at our established field ) so I think it is more likely the FAA lumps our 1.8% of the group in with the other 98.2% and we have 1.8% of the say... or the equivalent of nothing. If the AMA embraces quads/drones/etc... they have a chance to grow teh membership. They don't get all, but if they get 25%, the numbers now show the AMA at 2685000 members and much more influential when they talk with the FAA. It was likely the only chance the AMA had in this....
So to sum up, I don't like how it went, but I understand why it was done. And since I understand why and I understand what they are trying to do I can continue to support them
12-18-2015, 09:23 AM
#118
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12 oz cans here...
storytime....
I volunteer at an animal shelter, working primarily with behavioral training of dogs, mostly pitbulls. You see the great, the good, the bad, and the ugly, often in the same day. The mission is to obviously get the dogs adopted, but you also have a mission to the public to only adopt out dogs that you feel good about. You can't adopt out a dog you feel is a risk to others. Nothing good comes of taking a risk and adopting out a dog that ends up mauling a child, etc.... You volunteer long enough and invariably there comes a time where you have a dog that you're working with that the shelter decides not to "move forward with", or euthanize. I can't really describe how hard it is, you've invested months, sometimes even years in a particular dog, and for whatever reasons the staff decides that it isn't in the best interest of the shelter or the community to move forward with an animal that you've put so much effort into. I remember one dog that was absolutely awesome with me and one of my all time favorites, but had scratched 3 other staff members and torn one person's clothing. I hated the decision at the time, but I sat back and thought about it. Would I have adopted the dog? no.. I couldn't with 2 small kids, Chuck wasn't able to control himself enough to be around kids...... Did I understand why they made the decision? Yes, if I myself wouldn't adopt the dog, how could I ask another family too? Overall big picture was it the right decision? probably, though I still miss that stinker. So, I understand why, I can get behind that, I don't like it..... but I can support it because I understand why they did it and I understand that it fits in with our larger mission.
Why did I tell that story.... Organization I was a part of made a decision I didn't like. I took the time to sit back and understand the decision and while I didn't like it personally, I realized that it was likely the right long term decision and the correct "big picture" decision. Our shelter has never adopted out a pitbull that has injured someone.... and we don't ever want to lose that.
So the AMA chose to embrace drones. Some people think this was wrong. The world is about to become "drones"... google and amazon are turning them into a business, you can buy them at almost any store, even Kohl's and Barns and Nobles are selling quads. If the AMA stayed separate, next year there would be 185000 AMA members and 10,000,000 drone pilots. or in other words, the AMA would be completely irrelevant when the FAA decides it needs to put some type of structure in place to manage the airspace. The FAA is going to focus on the 10,000,000, not the 185,000...but that doesn't mean we get left alone.. it is too hard to distinguish between an AMA member flying his foamy at the local park and a "drone operator" operating at the same park ( lets face it, not all of us AMA members only fly at our established field ) so I think it is more likely the FAA lumps our 1.8% of the group in with the other 98.2% and we have 1.8% of the say... or the equivalent of nothing. If the AMA embraces quads/drones/etc... they have a chance to grow teh membership. They don't get all, but if they get 25%, the numbers now show the AMA at 2685000 members and much more influential when they talk with the FAA. It was likely the only chance the AMA had in this....
So to sum up, I don't like how it went, but I understand why it was done. And since I understand why and I understand what they are trying to do I can continue to support them
storytime....
I volunteer at an animal shelter, working primarily with behavioral training of dogs, mostly pitbulls. You see the great, the good, the bad, and the ugly, often in the same day. The mission is to obviously get the dogs adopted, but you also have a mission to the public to only adopt out dogs that you feel good about. You can't adopt out a dog you feel is a risk to others. Nothing good comes of taking a risk and adopting out a dog that ends up mauling a child, etc.... You volunteer long enough and invariably there comes a time where you have a dog that you're working with that the shelter decides not to "move forward with", or euthanize. I can't really describe how hard it is, you've invested months, sometimes even years in a particular dog, and for whatever reasons the staff decides that it isn't in the best interest of the shelter or the community to move forward with an animal that you've put so much effort into. I remember one dog that was absolutely awesome with me and one of my all time favorites, but had scratched 3 other staff members and torn one person's clothing. I hated the decision at the time, but I sat back and thought about it. Would I have adopted the dog? no.. I couldn't with 2 small kids, Chuck wasn't able to control himself enough to be around kids...... Did I understand why they made the decision? Yes, if I myself wouldn't adopt the dog, how could I ask another family too? Overall big picture was it the right decision? probably, though I still miss that stinker. So, I understand why, I can get behind that, I don't like it..... but I can support it because I understand why they did it and I understand that it fits in with our larger mission.
Why did I tell that story.... Organization I was a part of made a decision I didn't like. I took the time to sit back and understand the decision and while I didn't like it personally, I realized that it was likely the right long term decision and the correct "big picture" decision. Our shelter has never adopted out a pitbull that has injured someone.... and we don't ever want to lose that.
So the AMA chose to embrace drones. Some people think this was wrong. The world is about to become "drones"... google and amazon are turning them into a business, you can buy them at almost any store, even Kohl's and Barns and Nobles are selling quads. If the AMA stayed separate, next year there would be 185000 AMA members and 10,000,000 drone pilots. or in other words, the AMA would be completely irrelevant when the FAA decides it needs to put some type of structure in place to manage the airspace. The FAA is going to focus on the 10,000,000, not the 185,000...but that doesn't mean we get left alone.. it is too hard to distinguish between an AMA member flying his foamy at the local park and a "drone operator" operating at the same park ( lets face it, not all of us AMA members only fly at our established field ) so I think it is more likely the FAA lumps our 1.8% of the group in with the other 98.2% and we have 1.8% of the say... or the equivalent of nothing. If the AMA embraces quads/drones/etc... they have a chance to grow teh membership. They don't get all, but if they get 25%, the numbers now show the AMA at 2685000 members and much more influential when they talk with the FAA. It was likely the only chance the AMA had in this....
So to sum up, I don't like how it went, but I understand why it was done. And since I understand why and I understand what they are trying to do I can continue to support them
Great comparisons and comments...perfectly puts into perspective what I'm sure some folks are feeling and thinking, thanks for sharing.
12-18-2015, 10:13 AM
#119
"Man come on guys it's 5 bucks for a number. You would quit flying for that? Let's be thankful that we still have the opportunity to still fly. I be honest drones make me upset because of user lack of responsibility flying them. Lots of people like them because it's almost a guarantee they beable to fly it. Hey I love helies it's like riding weelies on a sport bike it's something not everyone can do that's some of the fun about. So you fly a drone big deal my mom could fly one too. Lol"
To your comment, by no means is it the $5.00 all of us can more than afford that and more ...it's the principal that we have been sold out by the AMA and the FAA so why wait to be sold out again?
To your comment, by no means is it the $5.00 all of us can more than afford that and more ...it's the principal that we have been sold out by the AMA and the FAA so why wait to be sold out again?
12-18-2015, 02:11 PM
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You really are a go along to get along kinda guy aren't you? Fact of the matter is if the AMA had made a clear distinction between traditional RC and those with autonomous flight systems and FPV we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. They chose to chase that pie in the sky drone money that they're never going to see. I can't wait to see how many of the estimated 1 million recipients of drones this Christmas run to their computers to register with the FAA and join the AMA before they run out into their cul de sacs and smack that thing into their neighbors car, but wait maybe they'll be busy finding out if they're too close to an airport before they fly... Seriously doubt either. The AMA ignored their constituency whether you like it or not that's a fact whether they're a small organization or not they let us down. Stand up when you've been slighted don't go along to get along!!! And don't let your wife tell you when you can fly either..go when you want!!! I'm so sick of guys that have been defanged and deballed. That's what's wrong with this whole country!!!
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12-18-2015, 02:18 PM
#122
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In all fairness...you have to realize that many of these "drones" won't make it past the first flight or two. Despite the fact that people seem to think anyone can fly them, they aren't that easy. They will fail to fly as intended, and probably crash and break...and since they are offbrand stuff, won't have spare parts. Honestly I'm more concerned for the environment from a landfill perspective than the damage they will do to people or property.