Club asking for it's members FAA registration number
12-30-2015, 06:07 AM
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12-30-2015, 06:18 AM
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12-30-2015, 06:30 AM
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Seriously though, I had the same questions. As a club officer am I supposed to verify this? As a CD am I going to have to ask for this at events?
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
12-30-2015, 06:33 AM
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Seriously though, I had the same questions. As a club officer am I supposed to verify this? As a CD am I going to have to ask for this at events?
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
I'm in the same boat and have no clue. According to Stillman it's not the clubs or the officers responsibility it's up to the individual. As some have brought up protecting what the club has is a valid point. My fellow club officers have decided to wait it out and see what transpires.
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12-30-2015, 06:44 AM
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Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
Will FAA make it clear that there is not a 400 foot altitude cap in force. I understand it is a "best practice" for most non-traditional model aircraft operators, but they need to remove the wording in the registration process that forms a de facto altitude limit. It has to be clearly stated, because already the public, media, and local governments view 400 feet as a hard FAA limit.
12-30-2015, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie P.
Didn't the membership vote on it? I'm in two clubs and changes to the By-Laws or Field Rules require a majority vote. I anticipate it will be coming along directly. One of the presidents has already stated "that's between the member and the FAA".
Will certainly be interesting to see what happens at our annual Fun Fly where we get pilots from all over the NorthEast - including Canada - and whether we will verify registration labeling and paperwork. Frankly I don't care if they have registered and I doubt we'll have a roster of registration numbers to verify someone didn't just make up a number.
12-30-2015, 07:29 AM
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way to premature for that request. IF and WHEN the AMA requires its sanctioned clubs to file Reg#'s , then and only then can a club ask for them. In the meantime, a club CANNOT request nor enforce such a request if they are operating under AMA guidelines. No AMA club has the right to make registration mandatory. Its not legal. Once we find out what the AMA gets accomplished or not, then .... move forward with requirements. Your club, asking or making reg mandatory TODAY isn't being preemptive nor proactive, its simply being intrusive to your civil rights and is asking for trouble.
12-30-2015, 07:47 AM
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Oh, I disagree there. Our club has many restrictions that the AMA doesn't require.
We require members take a turn mowing. No AMA guidelines there. We require attendance or written club waiver for working at our annual Fun Fly - no AMA guidelines there. We don't allow flying of gas or glow before 10:00AM on Sunday - again, no AMA guidelines there.
Clubs can require you wear a sombrero when flying if they choose. But I doubt any would encourage members to defy a law.
We require members take a turn mowing. No AMA guidelines there. We require attendance or written club waiver for working at our annual Fun Fly - no AMA guidelines there. We don't allow flying of gas or glow before 10:00AM on Sunday - again, no AMA guidelines there.
Clubs can require you wear a sombrero when flying if they choose. But I doubt any would encourage members to defy a law.
12-30-2015, 07:57 AM
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Oh, I disagree there. Our club has many restrictions that the AMA doesn't require.
We require members take a turn mowing. No AMA guidelines there. We require attendance or written club waiver for working at our annual Fun Fly - no AMA guidelines there. We don't allow flying of gas or glow before 10:00AM on Sunday - again, no AMA guidelines there.
Clubs can require you wear a sombrero when flying if they choose. But I doubt any would encourage members to defy a law.
We require members take a turn mowing. No AMA guidelines there. We require attendance or written club waiver for working at our annual Fun Fly - no AMA guidelines there. We don't allow flying of gas or glow before 10:00AM on Sunday - again, no AMA guidelines there.
Clubs can require you wear a sombrero when flying if they choose. But I doubt any would encourage members to defy a law.
They have already said informally that they are not going to require this of AMA clubs, if and when they do I suspect we'll hear about it.
12-30-2015, 08:05 AM
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Good questions. Based on how the AMA treated FCC licensing of amateur radio operators I suspect it will be hit or miss. AMA simply said you had to comply with FCC regulations. Some clubs/CDs would check for ham licenses, others would not.
I would think that Rich, and others in the AMA Leadership, have already been in near constant contact with the FAA about this. Personally, I will have one main question:
Will FAA make it clear that there is not a 400 foot altitude cap in force. I understand it is a "best practice" for most non-traditional model aircraft operators, but they need to remove the wording in the registration process that forms a de facto altitude limit. It has to be clearly stated, because already the public, media, and local governments view 400 feet as a hard FAA limit.
I would think that Rich, and others in the AMA Leadership, have already been in near constant contact with the FAA about this. Personally, I will have one main question:
Will FAA make it clear that there is not a 400 foot altitude cap in force. I understand it is a "best practice" for most non-traditional model aircraft operators, but they need to remove the wording in the registration process that forms a de facto altitude limit. It has to be clearly stated, because already the public, media, and local governments view 400 feet as a hard FAA limit.
12-30-2015, 10:21 AM
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This is why I and a lot of our IMAC fliers went ahead and registered , to be safe don't want to go to our first contest in feb and not be able to fly because we didn't register
12-30-2015, 11:46 AM
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Seriously though, I had the same questions. As a club officer am I supposed to verify this? As a CD am I going to have to ask for this at events?
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
Hopefully these and other questions will come into better focus after Expo when the FAA and EC will be in the same place for a sit-down.
12-30-2015, 01:14 PM
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For the few clubs that own the land they fly on I agree that it should not be necessary for the club to enforce an FAA requirement. For most of the other clubs who lease the land or it is provided by the city or county there will frequently be a clause in the terms of use or lease which prohibits illegal activity, ie. flying unregistered aircraft. I for one would hate to loose the flying site we have so much invested in because a few refuse to comply with the registration requirement. While I disagree with the idea of registering model aircraft, I believe in the case of our club we should comply and require compliance until the issue is resolved.
Each year before the flying season begins our club officers go before the local select board and ask for permission to fly, our field Is on town owned property. If the board members require us to be registered we will have to change our bylaws to comply, simple as that.
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12-30-2015, 01:45 PM
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12-30-2015, 01:54 PM
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For the few clubs that own the land they fly on I agree that it should not be necessary for the club to enforce an FAA requirement. For most of the other clubs who lease the land or it is provided by the city or county there will frequently be a clause in the terms of use or lease which prohibits illegal activity, ie. flying unregistered aircraft. I for one would hate to loose the flying site we have so much invested in because a few refuse to comply with the registration requirement. While I disagree with the idea of registering model aircraft, I believe in the case of our club we should comply and require compliance until the issue is resolved.
12-30-2015, 01:59 PM
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I received a email today from one of my clubs and they want all members to send them their FAA registration numbers for the clubs records, No other details other than to say that if the FAA backs down they
will delete the numbers. It sounds like the club may have intentions of making FAA registration mandatory when I find out more I will post it.
will delete the numbers. It sounds like the club may have intentions of making FAA registration mandatory when I find out more I will post it.
Regisration with the feds absolutely should be mandatory.to fly at any plave in th USA.. Don't screw with FEDS They are not to be Trifled with... . Look what happened when the AMA had congress tell the THE FAA what and what not they could do concerning Model AirPlanes .. HOW's THAT WORKIN OUT THERE SONNY?
I'll tel ya how it worked out ... The FAA basically told the AMA and Congress to, as the say Australia, STUFF IT.
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12-30-2015, 02:20 PM
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At our club we are required to pst at the flight station our Current AMA cad with a current club sticker on. failure to do so while flying ges U an Ass Chewing if a club Officer or board member is present. So what's the difference if U post Your FED Number too. Of Course we have close to 300 paid members and U don't know all or if they reupped or not especially after the 1st of the year.
Regisration with the feds absolutely should be mandatory.to fly at any plave in th USA.. Don't screw with FEDS They are not to be Trifled with... . Look what happened when the AMA had congress tell the THE FAA what and what not they could do concerning Model AirPlanes .. HOW's THAT WORKIN OUT THERE SONNY?
I'll tel ya how it worked out ... The FAA basically told the AMA and Congress to, as the say Australia, STUFF IT.
Regisration with the feds absolutely should be mandatory.to fly at any plave in th USA.. Don't screw with FEDS They are not to be Trifled with... . Look what happened when the AMA had congress tell the THE FAA what and what not they could do concerning Model AirPlanes .. HOW's THAT WORKIN OUT THERE SONNY?
I'll tel ya how it worked out ... The FAA basically told the AMA and Congress to, as the say Australia, STUFF IT.
12-30-2015, 08:18 PM
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The FAA is only empowered to impose a civil penalty or in the case of a certificate holder suspend or revoke the certificate. They can not seize property owned by a club. The city, county, or lease holder however can have the club/user removed for violation of the lease or terms of use.
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12-30-2015, 08:29 PM
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12-30-2015, 08:33 PM
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The FAA is only empowered to impose a civil penalty or in the case of a certificate holder suspend or revoke the certificate. They can not seize property owned by a club. The city, county, or lease holder however can have the club/user removed for violation of the lease or terms of use.
12-31-2015, 04:31 AM
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It's not the clubs job to enforce anything but the AMA Safety Code and that's for insurance purposes. Until registration with the FAA is included in that code nothing will change. Now If the site owner starts asking questions about registration I would be inclined to suggest to the membership that in order to protect what we have a investment in we might want to comply to satisfy the site owner. I'm not sure just how many of you have lost than had to rebuild a flying site from scratch but it's a lot of work and money. I've been there and done that.
Mike
12-31-2015, 09:24 AM
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Really None of thing crap means a pinch of Sheit to 99% of us especially here ... I don't fly any where but our club field (Float flying excluded) so the only thing that might be bothered with is the 400 foot thing but rarely. How many of us fly at other than our fields or fly Quads else where? I'd guess not many.
