If you want to fly act now
#26
They are a "player" in all of this and it would be wise to watch them close as they actually have the funds to get it done.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/tech...nes-air-space/
"Airspace of up to 200 feet would be reserved for "low speed localized traffic" like survey, inspection and video drones, including those without sense-and-avoid technology. Amazon said the airspace between 200 and 400 feet would be designated "high-speed transit" for "well-equipped vehicles." That's likely where its delivery drones would operate. The space between 400 and 500 feet would be a "no fly zone," except for emergencies. "
Mike
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/tech...nes-air-space/
"Airspace of up to 200 feet would be reserved for "low speed localized traffic" like survey, inspection and video drones, including those without sense-and-avoid technology. Amazon said the airspace between 200 and 400 feet would be designated "high-speed transit" for "well-equipped vehicles." That's likely where its delivery drones would operate. The space between 400 and 500 feet would be a "no fly zone," except for emergencies. "
Mike
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#30
The information was out there before the bill was final. When I first saw this there were no comments. May have been before the 9th. I think maybe they need to fire Chad. Hire Burt or someone with some clout.
#31
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...-aviation.html
Here is what Chad Budreau posted on the 10th in response to my post on the 9th:
Hi Bill, based on your text, you are most likely referring to staff working draft of the Senate bill. We are still very early in this process as the bill will go through multiple revisions and amendments.
#32
I would have to disagree on the ultralight being more of a safety concern than a drone (model airplane). Drones do NOT have an occupant, so the pilot of an ultralight is less likely to take the risks that a drone operator would. And yes, this includes fixed-wings as well as multi-rotors. I honestly feel that the requirements in the Senate version are minimal, and all that will be needed would be a basic knowledge test and simple registration. Also: 400 feet is a long way up for a smaller aircraft, .40 sized or less. It may present a bit of a challenge for 50cc and larger gas-powered planes, but those are beyond the budget of most people.
knowledge test it could be a good idea to help educate modelers.
#33
I thought you told us you were going to stop flying until the AMA (or someone else) gets the requirement for registering thrown out. You sure have a lot of argumentative views for someone who doesn't intend to abide by the law.
#34
With all due respect ,
Sport never said he was not going to abide by the law , he said he was not going to participate in the hobby . How could someone not participating break the law ?
"You sure have a lot of argumentative views for someone who doesn't intend to participate in the hobby"
Is the way I see your sentence as having far greater impact on the fact that , yes , yes sir indeed , Sport would argue the chicken VS the egg debate till evolution put the chicken out of production !
#35
My Feedback: (7)
Also included in this version of the bill is a prohibition on "home brew sUAV's," which could effectively end what is a major part of the hobby for many of us: building. With that, and the possible design certification requirement, it seems there exists a possibility that all current r/c aircraft, including ARF's could become illegal since none of them are certified.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl.../#100a54cea6f2
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl.../#100a54cea6f2
#36
What law am I breaking. I am not breaking any stinking law! You obviously don't know the law! I have flown nothing so how can I break the law? When I do it will be 1/2 A and free flight. Maybe I will try an free flight altitude record.
#37
Hi RG ,
With all due respect ,
Sport never said he was not going to abide by the law , he said he was not going to participate in the hobby . How could someone not participating break the law ?
"You sure have a lot of argumentative views for someone who doesn't intend to participate in the hobby"
Is the way I see your sentence as having far greater impact on the fact that , yes , yes sir indeed , Sport would argue the chicken VS the egg debate till evolution put the chicken out of production !
With all due respect ,
Sport never said he was not going to abide by the law , he said he was not going to participate in the hobby . How could someone not participating break the law ?
"You sure have a lot of argumentative views for someone who doesn't intend to participate in the hobby"
Is the way I see your sentence as having far greater impact on the fact that , yes , yes sir indeed , Sport would argue the chicken VS the egg debate till evolution put the chicken out of production !
#38
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They are a "player" in all of this and it would be wise to watch them close as they actually have the funds to get it done.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/tech...nes-air-space/
"Airspace of up to 200 feet would be reserved for "low speed localized traffic" like survey, inspection and video drones, including those without sense-and-avoid technology. Amazon said the airspace between 200 and 400 feet would be designated "high-speed transit" for "well-equipped vehicles." That's likely where its delivery drones would operate. The space between 400 and 500 feet would be a "no fly zone," except for emergencies. "
Mike
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/tech...nes-air-space/
"Airspace of up to 200 feet would be reserved for "low speed localized traffic" like survey, inspection and video drones, including those without sense-and-avoid technology. Amazon said the airspace between 200 and 400 feet would be designated "high-speed transit" for "well-equipped vehicles." That's likely where its delivery drones would operate. The space between 400 and 500 feet would be a "no fly zone," except for emergencies. "
Mike
I find it hard to believe that Amazon would be able to effectively 'own' or 'define' the airspace....Google perhaps since they have more money than most countries.
The AMA is still living with the dream that getting all the FPV/Multirotor "pilots" to join AMA will "increase their numbers" ... translated "increase advertising revenue".
The fatal flaw was getting into bed with a bunch of "pilots" who have no association or appreciation for the AMA and what has come before them.
I still have a hard time envisioning waking up one morning and finding out that I can no longer fly anywhere in the USA.
I will likely have to take a test, send $100 to some government agency and continue flying at my local club/field.
Whether or not the AMA is still relevant in that scenario remains to be seen.
#39
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If I am flying my jet, obviously LOS, am I not as the pilot capable of "sense and avoid", especially if a fellow pilot is acting as spotter?
I find it hard to believe that Amazon would be able to effectively 'own' or 'define' the airspace....Google perhaps since they have more money than most countries.
The AMA is still living with the dream that getting all the FPV/Multirotor "pilots" to join AMA will "increase their numbers" ... translated "increase advertising revenue".
The fatal flaw was getting into bed with a bunch of "pilots" who have no association or appreciation for the AMA and what has come before them.
I still have a hard time envisioning waking up one morning and finding out that I can no longer fly anywhere in the USA.
I will likely have to take a test, send $100 to some government agency and continue flying at my local club/field.
Whether or not the AMA is still relevant in that scenario remains to be seen.
I find it hard to believe that Amazon would be able to effectively 'own' or 'define' the airspace....Google perhaps since they have more money than most countries.
The AMA is still living with the dream that getting all the FPV/Multirotor "pilots" to join AMA will "increase their numbers" ... translated "increase advertising revenue".
The fatal flaw was getting into bed with a bunch of "pilots" who have no association or appreciation for the AMA and what has come before them.
I still have a hard time envisioning waking up one morning and finding out that I can no longer fly anywhere in the USA.
I will likely have to take a test, send $100 to some government agency and continue flying at my local club/field.
Whether or not the AMA is still relevant in that scenario remains to be seen.
80 years of relevance isn't going to disappear anytime soon. What affect they can have going up against the titans of industry certainly remains to be seen, but I'm confident they will continue to advocate for us. Who else will, haven't seen anyone else stepping up to the plate.
#40
3/16 was the final version. The original version was posted on 3/9 and the AMA was aware of it. Look at the date of the thread I started on this very subject:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...-aviation.html
Here is what Chad Budreau posted on the 10th in response to my post on the 9th:
Seems they were well aware of it then.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...-aviation.html
Here is what Chad Budreau posted on the 10th in response to my post on the 9th:
Seems they were well aware of it then.
Mike
#41
If I am flying my jet, obviously LOS, am I not as the pilot capable of "sense and avoid", especially if a fellow pilot is acting as spotter?
I find it hard to believe that Amazon would be able to effectively 'own' or 'define' the airspace....Google perhaps since they have more money than most countries.
The AMA is still living with the dream that getting all the FPV/Multirotor "pilots" to join AMA will "increase their numbers" ... translated "increase advertising revenue".
The fatal flaw was getting into bed with a bunch of "pilots" who have no association or appreciation for the AMA and what has come before them.
I still have a hard time envisioning waking up one morning and finding out that I can no longer fly anywhere in the USA.
I will likely have to take a test, send $100 to some government agency and continue flying at my local club/field.
Whether or not the AMA is still relevant in that scenario remains to be seen.
I find it hard to believe that Amazon would be able to effectively 'own' or 'define' the airspace....Google perhaps since they have more money than most countries.
The AMA is still living with the dream that getting all the FPV/Multirotor "pilots" to join AMA will "increase their numbers" ... translated "increase advertising revenue".
The fatal flaw was getting into bed with a bunch of "pilots" who have no association or appreciation for the AMA and what has come before them.
I still have a hard time envisioning waking up one morning and finding out that I can no longer fly anywhere in the USA.
I will likely have to take a test, send $100 to some government agency and continue flying at my local club/field.
Whether or not the AMA is still relevant in that scenario remains to be seen.
I hate to use Europe as a example but drone delivery is already being used in the medical field.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...rks-2015-11-30
Here's US use.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...720-story.html
Mike
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#42
Banned
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It's not just Amazon drone delivery is coming regardless of we make think or want. This will require redefining airspace. While I don't think it will kill the hobby as a whole it will become more restrictive over time which will curtail participation.
I hate to use Europe as a example but drone delivery is already being used in the medical field.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...rks-2015-11-30
Here's US use.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...720-story.html
Mike
I hate to use Europe as a example but drone delivery is already being used in the medical field.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dro...rks-2015-11-30
Here's US use.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...720-story.html
Mike
#43
Actually I think allowing Amazon drones to fly at 200 feet will cause a huge uproar from the populace. The FAA doesn't want this either. But with huge pockets bribing politicians it may come about. I doubt it will last after lots of complaints and lots of drones shot down.
#44
Actually I think allowing Amazon drones to fly at 200 feet will cause a huge uproar from the populace. The FAA doesn't want this either. But with huge pockets bribing politicians it may come about. I doubt it will last after lots of complaints and lots of drones shot down.
Mike
#45
I don't think they will be flying drones across the country, there is none with enough battery capacity for that. Instead they will be from a local depot to home, saving maybe a half day. And the neighbors would not be happy.
#46
At this point anything can happen and it's foolish to think otherwise.
Mike
#47
OK here goes. I never thought I'd have to register myself to fly a toy airplane with the FAA and now it's looking like 400 feet will be the ceiling I can operate them under. Now there's also something about home built models being a issue with the FAA.
At this point anything can happen and it's foolish to think otherwise.
Mike
At this point anything can happen and it's foolish to think otherwise.
Mike
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I am a bit surprised that this issue is being cast mostly in terms of absolute altitudes that apply everywhere. The existing national airspace system is certainly not set up that way; the altitudes vary dramatically depending on location (as all full-scale pilots must learn as part of their licensing). Amazon may want to have its own slice of airspace over densely populated urban areas with nearby distribution centers, but they have no conceivable use for the airspace anywhere else. Likewise, it makes some sense to cap the altitude for model aviation at 400-500 feet within a few miles of airports, due the higher density of climbing or descending full-scale traffic. There's no reason to implement such a restriction in most other areas though (with the exception of military training airspace, etc.). If you can see your model you can certainly see and avoid the occasional full-scale airplane that might pass by.
Here's hoping that AMA is carefully explaining this to those on the Hill, who apparently are having a knee-jerk reaction to public perception of a hazard?
Here's hoping that AMA is carefully explaining this to those on the Hill, who apparently are having a knee-jerk reaction to public perception of a hazard?
#49
One thing that could, I repeat COULD, come out of this is that us hobbyists will be forced to return to designated fields and clubs. No more park flying. No more open field or school yard flying. The AMA would like this because it would force those park/open field flyers to join the AMA so they could join clubs. These clubs fields could then be designated restricted zones for Amazon and the like.
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