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Old 05-19-2016, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
In what I'm sure you'll find shocking, I actually have no problem with AMA being involved provided (1) membership is not mandatory, and (2) any staff hired or used for the purpose are supported by revenue raised exclusively from the activities they're supporting (i.e. it's self sustaining). Idea being that if revenues drop, the staff support drops. If it succeeds, great. If it fails to sustain, then it doesn't become a drain on other AMA resources - i.e. we're not asked to subsidize it. For shared resources, i.e. they need something out of a staffer at HQ but it doesn't support an FTE, then that program would pay a percentage of that person's salary based on how much of their time is billed to that purpose.
Not shocking at all, just unrealistic.

As an AMA member I don't want my organization assuming any liability from activities conducted by non-members.

Despite what you may think, most events just don't generate all that much revenue. Maybe you should have your own fun-fly sometime just to see how lucrative they are. Most clubs consider a break-even success.

I suspect in a few years we'll be down to one drone racing league and it will be the AMA SIG.
Old 05-19-2016, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Not shocking at all, just unrealistic.

As an AMA member I don't want my organization assuming any liability from activities conducted by non-members.

Despite what you may think, most events just don't generate all that much revenue. Maybe you should have your own fun-fly sometime just to see how lucrative they are. Most clubs consider a break-even success.

I suspect in a few years we'll be down to one drone racing league and it will be the AMA SIG.
To keep membership the AMA may have to move from one fad to another. Drone aerobatics, scale drones (scale drones of large military drones, if you can get it to fire a scale hellfire you win), and other endeavor's.
Old 05-19-2016, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Not shocking at all, just unrealistic.

As an AMA member I don't want my organization assuming any liability from activities conducted by non-members.

Despite what you may think, most events just don't generate all that much revenue. Maybe you should have your own fun-fly sometime just to see how lucrative they are. Most clubs consider a break-even success.

I suspect in a few years we'll be down to one drone racing league and it will be the AMA SIG.
Wait where does it say that AMA will have liability form non-members?
Old 05-19-2016, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Wait where does it say that AMA will have liability form non-members?
A lawyer whispered in my ear.
Old 05-19-2016, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
To keep membership the AMA may have to move from one fad to another. Drone aerobatics, scale drones (scale drones of large military drones, if you can get it to fire a scale hellfire you win), and other endeavor's.
Don't forget pattern. I suspect it will be a fad.
Old 05-19-2016, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
A lawyer whispered in my ear.
How can the AMA be held liable?
Old 05-19-2016, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
A lawyer whispered in my ear.
Objection, hearsay your honor!
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
How can the AMA be held liable?
When the jury says so......
Old 05-19-2016, 12:39 PM
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FPV pattern maybe. Or a miniature version of the Red Bull racing with FPV.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
FPV pattern maybe. Or a miniature version of the Red Bull racing with FPV.
absolutely! Our club just set up a mini course patterned to some degree on a Red Bull Race design. It's actually taking over the heli area.....a good natured rivalry is building among the disciplines.
Old 05-19-2016, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Don't forget pattern. I suspect it will be a fad.
Pattern below 400' ...
Old 05-19-2016, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
How can the AMA be held liable?
A non-AMA member participating in an AMA sanctioned event and an injury occurs? Who do you think will sued?
Old 05-19-2016, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
A non-AMA member participating in an AMA sanctioned event and an injury occurs? Who do you think will sued?

AMA dosen't allow that. Where did you see that they do this or plan to?
Old 05-19-2016, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
AMA dosen't allow that. Where did you see that they do this or plan to?
I didn't say they did. My comments were in response to Franklin's post earlier in this thread.
Old 05-20-2016, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
I didn't say they did. My comments were in response to Franklin's post earlier in this thread.
What did I say this time?
Old 05-20-2016, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
What did I say this time?
I don't see anything you said about non members at AMA events. I think Chrispy had a brain fart, or more likely his bacon popped.
Old 05-20-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I don't see anything you said about non members at AMA events. I think Chrispy had a brain fart, or more likely his bacon popped.
Section 5, first bullet point. Now go back and look at last published financial report. Look for numbers in parens related to this topic.
Old 05-20-2016, 10:48 AM
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Can't seem to find the financial report. Couldn't remember my password and password not here yet.
Old 05-21-2016, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I don't see anything you said about non members at AMA events. I think Chrispy had a brain fart, or more likely his bacon popped.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...l#post12215342
Old 05-21-2016, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
The statement I think you're referring to is where I said something about mandatory membership. That was intended as membership writ large. If they want to mandate you have to be a member to participate in one of their events, that's reasonable. What I oppose is anything that requires you to be a member to exercise privileges in the taxpayer's airspace that other non-members cannot. Two guys standing in a field 200 miles from any object, building, or other person. Not in any sort of controlled airspace...the proverbial perfect flying spot. I don't want one able to do things in that airspace (altitude limits for example) merely by virtue of the fact that he has the money to pay to be a member of a private group. It's the public's airspace.

Both have to abide by the same code to say for example fly above 400? No problem, so long as abiding by the code does not include required membership.

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