How much should members know WRT AMA finances ?
#26
Init4fun..isn't it amazing how some people can be strong advocates for more secrecy than whatever existed before...?
The icing on the cake is when they say "Well ALL the other organizations are hiding their records from their members now, so why can't we...?"
George Orwell has a a great line that fits here in principle..
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act".
The icing on the cake is when they say "Well ALL the other organizations are hiding their records from their members now, so why can't we...?"
George Orwell has a a great line that fits here in principle..
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act".
#27
Like I said , Taunting folks for the sake of stirring up enough crap to get a thread closed is over .
#28
Very good point Hydro , at under $10 it really would become daunting to list every penny , nickle and dime . This is exactly the kinds of input I'm looking for in this thread .
#29
I have asked Ken to read your posts to this thread and to see if they are trolling or not . Sure seems that Myself and Combatpigg think your trolling here , and we'll see what Ken has to say .
Like I said , Taunting folks for the sake of stirring up enough crap to get a thread closed is over .
Like I said , Taunting folks for the sake of stirring up enough crap to get a thread closed is over .
#30
I have asked Ken to read your posts to this thread and to see if they are trolling or not . Sure seems that Myself and Combatpigg think your trolling here , and we'll see what Ken has to say .
Like I said , Taunting folks for the sake of stirring up enough crap to get a thread closed is over .
Like I said , Taunting folks for the sake of stirring up enough crap to get a thread closed is over .
#31
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I want a monthly/yearly financial breakdown in excel format that is so detailed; that I would need to hire Ernst & Young or Pricewaterhouse Cooper to go over it..... J/K
Really anything like itemized 1099 K sort of statement for different expenditures and income would be fine...
Really anything like itemized 1099 K sort of statement for different expenditures and income would be fine...
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#32
What hasn't been mentioned yet is the work effort and cost associated with the reporting being requested. I'm sure you could get PWC, EY, etc. to inventory every paper clip, staple, and post it sheet on a hourly, daily, weekly, monthly or annual basis, but at what cost?
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Some folks need to peruse a source such as this website for info crispy is using to taunt them.
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
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Some folks need to peruse a source such as this website for info crispy is using to taunt them.
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
The more transparency the better of course, but as noted that activity might actually come with an associated cost, and then that might get criticized as well. Also, as I've mentioned before, not every bit of information gathered is subject to disclosure, it just doesn't work that way for any entity like this.
Another issue, absent in this initial request/suggest/complaint is what has actually been done to date to get this information. Was it ever requested, formally I mean, not on an RC website. Where were the requests made, by whom and to whom. Did anyone ever ask their District VP for this information...I didn't see that indicated anywhere. If not, why not?
Finally, other than asking for the info, and possibly setting up a new line of complaints about disclosure etc, what does anyone seek to do with the information once they get it? Disagree with it, offer suggestions as to how it could be better spent, etc etc? It's an honest question because so far, I haven't seen a single suggestion on what to do once the information is gathered. Will follow up action be meaningful, and INVOLVED....or is the information being requested to pick over it and continue to find more "wrong" within the AMA?
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Some folks need to peruse a source such as this website for info crispy is using to taunt them.
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
[QUOTE=init4fun;12216958]Nice try , but in that thread , I WASN'T WARNED FOR A THING !
If you remember , >>> I
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#42
Knowing what other comparable 501(c)(3) organizations do is most relevant. If you find one that offers the level of detail you're looking for have a valid example you could take to the AMA and request. Until then....
#43
Some folks need to peruse a source such as this website for info crispy is using to taunt them.
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
http://www.muridae.com/publicaccess/...described.html
So I'm off to read a 990 .....
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#47
Perhaps you can alert him to this thread and see if he's able to contribute? I don't recall seeing a post from him in quite some time.
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If the AMA has traditionally disclosed MORE than the bare legal minimum to it's members, then what other 501's choose to do is meaningless.
If the AMA has traditionally disclosed only what they are required to by law, then what the other 501s do is meaningless in this case as well.
Either way, what the other 501s do is irrelevant.
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But that's just it CJ, since Mike's club is not the topic of conversation (and even if it were) , why should Chris be allowed to taunt anybody ? If a non profit is required to make public their 990 well great ! that's a good source of information for my reading of the AMA's finances , since after all that's the topic here , the AMA's finances , and how much is too much or just right to be released . Now if he wants to go start a thread about local clubs who do or don't follow the law WRT 990 disclosure he's more than free to do that , rather than taunt the people here about it .
So I'm off to read a 990 .....
So I'm off to read a 990 .....
It isn't hard to ignore him......try it.
Oh yeah, in keeping with the desire to keep posts topical, do read a 990 and let us know if it answered any of your questions.
#50
Your contention is that we should base our expectations for what the AMA should report to it's members not on what they have customarily done in years past, but on what other 501 organizations report.
If the AMA has traditionally disclosed MORE than the bare legal minimum to it's members, then what other 501's choose to do is meaningless.
If the AMA has traditionally disclosed only what they are required to by law, then what the other 501s do is meaningless in this case as well.
Either way, what the other 501s do is irrelevant.
If the AMA has traditionally disclosed MORE than the bare legal minimum to it's members, then what other 501's choose to do is meaningless.
If the AMA has traditionally disclosed only what they are required to by law, then what the other 501s do is meaningless in this case as well.
Either way, what the other 501s do is irrelevant.