Homeland Security on UAV "Emerging Threats"
05-25-2016, 09:50 AM
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05-25-2016, 10:42 AM
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His original plans , while still affiliated with his Mosque (That does preach a peaceful version of Islam BTW) , were to carry out a knife attack , which of course is far more likely to be carried out , like the ones happening in England at the time . When he began openly advocating for such violence his Mosque tossed him out and he hooked up with the US authorities posing as fellow terrorists . It was then that he was "introduced" to this bombing idea , because the authorities could keep a far better reign on that than a random knife attack . Once he got past the point of idea , and actually bought the planes and took delivery of what he thought was the C4 , they had him , with no real danger to the public .
But again, it was fixed wing then, just as it was in 2012 with some folks in Spain who used fixed wing in planning harm but did you know this actually goes back much farther than that? It does.
2008...a boat and heli were researched. The heli because of its payload capacity.
2006...a teacher was busted trying to get an autopilot system for his 12 foot wingspan airplane.
Finally...and amazingly...this isn't the first time the feds have noted concerns about RC aircraft. In 2008 a bulletin was issued. Even more amazingly...we can actually see this issue being noted as far back as 2004..12 whole years ago when drones were just a dream. DHS issued bulletins to guess who regarding their concern about RC aircraft being used in this manner. Stumped?
Hobby shop owners.
Yep , and slip NASA a fiver for the use of their airspace
05-25-2016, 10:53 AM
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I think fixed wing is more of a threat, but it's not just a threat in regards to a bombing, but also conflicts with scale aircraft they are concerned about
The technology is advancing like crazy
05-25-2016, 01:58 PM
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Totally feasible? doubtful. Much less so than attacks by 'terrorists' like the one who loaded up a station wagon with LP tanks and was going to blow it up in downtown New York City.
After the 'LP terrorist' was arrested you didn't see any outcry from anyone in the government that all those owning/using LP tanks would henceforth be required to register with the government in order to prevent attacks in the future?
Sorry, but this whole deal is just more attempts by the government to make us so fearful that we allow them to take away the rights this country was founded on and which so many men and women fought, and continue to fight, for.
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05-25-2016, 02:14 PM
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Mike,
Totally feasible? doubtful. Much less so than attacks by 'terrorists' like the one who loaded up a station wagon with LP tanks and was going to blow it up in downtown New York City.
After the 'LP terrorist' was arrested you didn't see any outcry from anyone in the government that all those owning/using LP tanks would henceforth be required to register with the government in order to prevent attacks in the future?
Sorry, but this whole deal is just more attempts by the government to make us so fearful that we allow them to take away the rights this country was founded on and which so many men and women fought, and continue to fight, for.
Totally feasible? doubtful. Much less so than attacks by 'terrorists' like the one who loaded up a station wagon with LP tanks and was going to blow it up in downtown New York City.
After the 'LP terrorist' was arrested you didn't see any outcry from anyone in the government that all those owning/using LP tanks would henceforth be required to register with the government in order to prevent attacks in the future?
Sorry, but this whole deal is just more attempts by the government to make us so fearful that we allow them to take away the rights this country was founded on and which so many men and women fought, and continue to fight, for.
05-25-2016, 03:14 PM
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Bottom line is that anyone determined to do harm can find a way to do it with whatever is available to him/her......and no amount of 'concern' or 'restrictive' legislation will deter those evil folks from making it happen.
We live in a world that is far more dangerous than at any time since WWII but not giving in to fear is what will prove to be the best strategy in the long run
We live in a world that is far more dangerous than at any time since WWII but not giving in to fear is what will prove to be the best strategy in the long run
05-25-2016, 05:04 PM
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Mike,
Totally feasible? doubtful. Much less so than attacks by 'terrorists' like the one who loaded up a station wagon with LP tanks and was going to blow it up in downtown New York City.
After the 'LP terrorist' was arrested you didn't see any outcry from anyone in the government that all those owning/using LP tanks would henceforth be required to register with the government in order to prevent attacks in the future?
Sorry, but this whole deal is just more attempts by the government to make us so fearful that we allow them to take away the rights this country was founded on and which so many men and women fought, and continue to fight, for.
Totally feasible? doubtful. Much less so than attacks by 'terrorists' like the one who loaded up a station wagon with LP tanks and was going to blow it up in downtown New York City.
After the 'LP terrorist' was arrested you didn't see any outcry from anyone in the government that all those owning/using LP tanks would henceforth be required to register with the government in order to prevent attacks in the future?
Sorry, but this whole deal is just more attempts by the government to make us so fearful that we allow them to take away the rights this country was founded on and which so many men and women fought, and continue to fight, for.
Mike
05-25-2016, 05:32 PM
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05-26-2016, 03:47 AM
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You know it really doesn't matter what any of us thinks. The bottom line is the Department of Homeland Security ( along with the FAA and God knows who else) sees our hobby as a problem.
Mike
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05-26-2016, 04:31 AM
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One petition that had only a few signatures. Most posted but never mailed complaints. The AMA has every reason to believe the majority is behind them. If you want them to change direction you need more than a poorly worded petition with a handful of signatures.
05-26-2016, 04:34 AM
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So far, other than the registration, it's business as usual for the hobby.
05-26-2016, 04:39 AM
#40
Yep. Funny thing is that the MR community will never sign on with them.
05-26-2016, 04:42 AM
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I suppose it was to be 13,000 feet. But I suppose it may be possible to have a rocket powered UAV go into orbit. That was the "cutting edge" version after all.
05-26-2016, 04:55 AM
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The free registration that cost $5.00 is the sum total of Govt involvement as of now. 99.99% of the membership has seen no change to the way this hobby operates. So if it's being content, or it's apathy, or not being aware of whats going on, there doesn't appear to be any huge groundswell of discontent. Why would the EC change course based on less than .0001 of the membership complaining, and sometimes not even directly to them? I've also yet to see any requests from the newly elected district VPs to change anything either, so even with newly elected leadership within the past year, where is the call to change?
05-26-2016, 05:01 AM
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It's another classic no win. No amount of increased membership will ever be acknowledged as a result of MR users. The same unsupported narrative will continue, namely that no MR users will sign up with the AMA, which is just not true. If there is a large increase that could somehow be attributed to MR pilots, then the issue will be that no amount of increase could offset the initial educational/promotional money spent. If it could be showed that assumption was incorrect, we'd hear that the ultimately the MR brought govt involvement into the hobby, ie: no win! I'll be interested to see the membership numbers for 2016 and 2017. Although it would be nice to think about a big increase in membership, I don't think that will happen, but the growth will continue, imo.
05-26-2016, 05:04 AM
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05-26-2016, 05:25 AM
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Yep. Funny thing is that the MR community will never sign on with them.
I'm not sure what you consider the MR community, but the popularity of FPV racing is exploding and I'm not aware of any FPV races that don't require AMA.
If there's a huge drop in membership after all of us that signed up for two years don't stay on as members where will the AMA be then?
What makes you think there will be a huge drop in membership? AMA membership has seen a steady increase in membership in recent years and I expect it to continue, especially with the popularity of MR aircraft. Ever since the this FAA stuff has come about I've seen a significant increase in AMA life memberships as well. It's good to see so many generously making the $1,500 life membership donation to the AMA.
This is a prime opportunity for another player in the R/C insurance game.
Have you reached out to any insurers to alert them to this business opportunity? Now would be the time to let them know about it.
I figure they have a year and a half left to get this sorted out and win us back.
What actions will you and your club be taking if they don't sort out whatever it is you feel they need to sort out?
Mike
I'm not sure what you consider the MR community, but the popularity of FPV racing is exploding and I'm not aware of any FPV races that don't require AMA.
If there's a huge drop in membership after all of us that signed up for two years don't stay on as members where will the AMA be then?
What makes you think there will be a huge drop in membership? AMA membership has seen a steady increase in membership in recent years and I expect it to continue, especially with the popularity of MR aircraft. Ever since the this FAA stuff has come about I've seen a significant increase in AMA life memberships as well. It's good to see so many generously making the $1,500 life membership donation to the AMA.
This is a prime opportunity for another player in the R/C insurance game.
Have you reached out to any insurers to alert them to this business opportunity? Now would be the time to let them know about it.
I figure they have a year and a half left to get this sorted out and win us back.
What actions will you and your club be taking if they don't sort out whatever it is you feel they need to sort out?
Mike
05-26-2016, 05:52 AM
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05-26-2016, 06:45 AM
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05-26-2016, 07:12 AM
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