400 foot? NOPE
07-28-2016, 04:40 AM
#426
Banned
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I guess we look at the definition of "big" decisions differently. A nominal member fee isn't that big of a deal to me. But you've felt the same way about the AMA for going on 10 years now, and the small increase in dues was pretty nominal at the end of the day. Seems to be a looong time to make this decision.
07-28-2016, 04:59 AM
#428
Tried it, don't like it. The silent part is one of the issues. Can't find the darn thing when I take my eyes off of it. After a while the batteries burned, this was before Lipo so it was not a bonfire, but it did destroy the model. I even hate the receiver batteries because they have from time to time scorched the model or quit causing a crash and possibly a fly away never to be seen again. So no will not do that except for very small models.
07-28-2016, 05:00 AM
#429
I guess we look at the definition of "big" decisions differently. A nominal member fee isn't that big of a deal to me. But you've felt the same way about the AMA for going on 10 years now, and the small increase in dues was pretty nominal at the end of the day. Seems to be a looong time to make this decision.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
07-28-2016, 05:02 AM
#430
07-28-2016, 05:08 AM
#431
They are much larger when close enough to worry about. Almost as loud as the model as well, and a distinctive different sound. Not as hard to spot as a small electric.
07-28-2016, 05:15 AM
#432
I started to be unhappy with some AMA decisions about ten years ago, but as I said, I had to be a member to fly at the clubs. Now that I'm not a member of a club, the need to be a member is, and I think you'll agree, much less. I think it was a measured approach, to first drop the high dollar club membership ($100 a year) that I wasn't using, then making a decision about cutting the cord with AMA at my next renewal opportunity.
No need to wait for that renewal opportunity. The AMA offered you a refund.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
That's especially funny since that burn incident happened at one of his events and IIRC he didn't give you the time of day when posting about it.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
Still time to take them up on their refund offer.
No need to wait for that renewal opportunity. The AMA offered you a refund.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
That's especially funny since that burn incident happened at one of his events and IIRC he didn't give you the time of day when posting about it.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
Still time to take them up on their refund offer.
07-28-2016, 05:38 AM
#433
Just checking. I wonder if the pilot of the manned aircraft shares the same definition of "close enough to worry about" as you do?
07-28-2016, 05:41 AM
#434
I started to be unhappy with some AMA decisions about ten years ago, but as I said, I had to be a member to fly at the clubs. Now that I'm not a member of a club, the need to be a member is, and I think you'll agree, much less. I think it was a measured approach, to first drop the high dollar club membership ($100 a year) that I wasn't using, then making a decision about cutting the cord with AMA at my next renewal opportunity.
No need to wait for that renewal opportunity. The AMA offered you a refund.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
That's especially funny since that burn incident happened at one of his events and IIRC he didn't give you the time of day when posting about it.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
Still time to take them up on their refund offer.
No need to wait for that renewal opportunity. The AMA offered you a refund.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
That's especially funny since that burn incident happened at one of his events and IIRC he didn't give you the time of day when posting about it.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
Still time to take them up on their refund offer.
07-28-2016, 06:00 AM
#435
If the airplane is below 1000 feet he is easy to spot. I have never had a problem seeing them and land right away. The only issue might be a low flying helicopter, but have never seen one at the field.
07-28-2016, 06:14 AM
#436
However, on a personal basis, it's far more meaningful for me to help my friends achieve their life long financial goals. The experience has been just as rewarding for me as it is for them. $75 is certainly a lot of money and you know the old saying, "a penny saved is a penny earned". In the past, I've seen folks who can easily create their economic analysis, justify it, but executing it is the hard. There's always the uncertainty, the unknown. Once they get over that and start executing it it becomes easier and the uncertainty is just a fading memory.
07-28-2016, 07:29 AM
#437
Most certainly! Every member counts and we all know there's strength in numbers. The last thing I want to see is members leaving the AMA.
However, on a personal basis, it's far more meaningful for me to help my friends achieve their life long financial goals. The experience has been just as rewarding for me as it is for them. $75 is certainly a lot of money and you know the old saying, "a penny saved is a penny earned". In the past, I've seen folks who can easily create their economic analysis, justify it, but executing it is the hard. There's always the uncertainty, the unknown. Once they get over that and start executing it it becomes easier and the uncertainty is just a fading memory.
However, on a personal basis, it's far more meaningful for me to help my friends achieve their life long financial goals. The experience has been just as rewarding for me as it is for them. $75 is certainly a lot of money and you know the old saying, "a penny saved is a penny earned". In the past, I've seen folks who can easily create their economic analysis, justify it, but executing it is the hard. There's always the uncertainty, the unknown. Once they get over that and start executing it it becomes easier and the uncertainty is just a fading memory.
07-28-2016, 07:33 AM
#439
Well, I have 20 or so of them already. Flown in everything from electric planks (moderate stress), electric helis (high stress), EDFs / racers (extreme stress), and not a single one of them has "blow[n] and burn[ed] up" in my face.
Perhaps they haven't been a problem even once because I apply the same risk management and technical approach to flying and maintaining my aircraft and equipment that I applied in full scale military aviation? Things like knowing the limits of your equipment, measuring actual demand and comparing against predicted, tracking performance over time, performing regular maintenance, plan - test - verify new applications / uses.
Perhaps they haven't been a problem even once because I apply the same risk management and technical approach to flying and maintaining my aircraft and equipment that I applied in full scale military aviation? Things like knowing the limits of your equipment, measuring actual demand and comparing against predicted, tracking performance over time, performing regular maintenance, plan - test - verify new applications / uses.
07-28-2016, 07:48 AM
#440
Banned
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I started to be unhappy with some AMA decisions about ten years ago, but as I said, I had to be a member to fly at the clubs. Now that I'm not a member of a club, the need to be a member is, and I think you'll agree, much less. I think it was a measured approach, to first drop the high dollar club membership ($100 a year) that I wasn't using, then making a decision about cutting the cord with AMA at my next renewal opportunity.
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
We all have different definitions of nominal, especially when folks don't agree with the direction and performance of the AMA and it's leaders. I just discovered the FT write in effort, read his platform, and there's a lot I agree with. Particularly his desire to be more muscular in the handling of dangerous acts. I've argued for a long time that's needed...so I might just hang around if he's elected.
I'd think you'd welcome that if it happens, as my membership dollars could be used to offset even more free memberships. Especially when it's virtually guaranteed that AMA insurance would never pay for someone like me (home owner plus umbrella policy coverage).
07-28-2016, 08:15 AM
#442
The more members the merrier, gadflys included. Our dues are used in a number of ways, I'm more than happy with how they go. They went in part to get the letter that was the main point of this thread. That they go to helping to support (nominally) a youth membership and programs is a o/k with me. Your "virtually" example is off base however, your prior statements about increasing claim payments by the AMA sort of contradict that.
Welcome to the[h=2]Academy of Model Aeronautics[/h]The Largest Model Aviation Organization in the world!
[h=3]Your Membership Comes With All This.[/h]
[h=3]Model Aviation Magazine or Model Aviation Digital[/h]Product reviews, technical and "how-to" articles, AMA news, and special features
[h=3]Member Insurance Benefit[/h]
[h=3]If You Purchased It[/h]
$2.5 Million Liability Umbrella
$400 or more a year
$25,000 Medical Coverage
$600 or more a year
$1,000 Fire and Theft Coverage
$30 or more a year
[h=3]AMA Member Credentials[/h]ID card and decal
[h=3]2,400 AMA Chartered Clubs[/h]Learn to fly at our clubs
[h=3]AMAFlightSchool.org[/h]"How do I???"...Answered!! Online Learning
[h=3]Government Advocacy[/h]
[h=3]AMA Today[/h]Monthly e-newsletter
[h=3]AMA Air[/h]Monthly online program with AMA and modeling news
[h=3]College Scholarships[/h]Nearly $50,000 awarded annually
[h=3]Discounts/Programs[/h]Nationwide Insurance
EAA AirVenture - Oshkosh
Enterprise and National Car Rental
[h=3] NEW ADULT MEMBERSHIP $75[/h][h=3] NEW SENIOR MEMBERSHIP $65[/h](65 as of July 1st, 2016)
07-28-2016, 01:35 PM
#444
The Bennies of being an AMA memberfrom the AMA web site:
Model Aviation Magazine or Model Aviation Digital (Mostly the same stuff I see or have seen in other mags)
$2.5 Million Liability Umbrella (already have one)
$25,000 Medical Coverage (already have employer and mil retiree coverages)
AMA Member Credentials (YGTBSM! That's a benefit? I have more robust, and useful, luggage tags)
2,400 AMA Chartered Clubs (only if you use them, I don't)
Learn to fly at our clubs (don't need to learn, self taught at mil base)
AMAFlightSchool.org (I looked at it, mostly rehash of stuff already covered elsewhere)
"How do I???"...Answered!! (ditto)
AMA Today, Monthly e-newsletter, AMA Air, & Monthly online program with AMA and modeling news (honestly, never read them. I just looked and they're rehash of what's already been on website or in other mags)
College Scholarships: Nearly $50,000 awarded annually (already been to college)
Discounts/Programs:
Nationwide Insurance (my existing policy is better...for less)
EAA AirVenture - Oshkosh (never been)
Enterprise and National Car Rental (my other discounts are better)
Model Aviation Magazine or Model Aviation Digital (Mostly the same stuff I see or have seen in other mags)
$2.5 Million Liability Umbrella (already have one)
$25,000 Medical Coverage (already have employer and mil retiree coverages)
AMA Member Credentials (YGTBSM! That's a benefit? I have more robust, and useful, luggage tags)
2,400 AMA Chartered Clubs (only if you use them, I don't)
Learn to fly at our clubs (don't need to learn, self taught at mil base)
AMAFlightSchool.org (I looked at it, mostly rehash of stuff already covered elsewhere)
"How do I???"...Answered!! (ditto)
AMA Today, Monthly e-newsletter, AMA Air, & Monthly online program with AMA and modeling news (honestly, never read them. I just looked and they're rehash of what's already been on website or in other mags)
College Scholarships: Nearly $50,000 awarded annually (already been to college)
Discounts/Programs:
Nationwide Insurance (my existing policy is better...for less)
EAA AirVenture - Oshkosh (never been)
Enterprise and National Car Rental (my other discounts are better)
In fairness, I don't advocate with the government. So that's something I don't already have.
07-28-2016, 01:41 PM
#445
Only if you make a trip there. I've made nine cross country trips in 20 years (military moves), stopped there not once. I doubt that I'm going to take a week off work so I can spend two days driving there, fly a couple days, and spend two more driving back.
I have stopped at various lakes to use our boat, stopped at Presidential libraries, Hearst Castle, Grand Canyon, the Alamo, the National Museum of Naval Aviation, Yellowstone, all sorts of civil war battlefields, USS Alabama, etc.
My point is that if I stop in Muncie, I would be the only one that would have been even mildly interested. I'm not that selfish with my family. I'd rather do things we all enjoy.
I have stopped at various lakes to use our boat, stopped at Presidential libraries, Hearst Castle, Grand Canyon, the Alamo, the National Museum of Naval Aviation, Yellowstone, all sorts of civil war battlefields, USS Alabama, etc.
My point is that if I stop in Muncie, I would be the only one that would have been even mildly interested. I'm not that selfish with my family. I'd rather do things we all enjoy.
07-28-2016, 01:43 PM
#446
Banned
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For those selfish folks I guess who enjoy the hobby, from around the world mind you....they have a word class place to fly. Of course some of them actually bring their family who enjoy the hobby as well.
Having been to the Alamo, I can tell you I'd rather go to Muncie...but obviously it's about personal preference.
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07-28-2016, 01:44 PM
#447
Banned
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In fairness, I don't know if my insurance will cover 1,000 in fire or loss. But honestly, if my stuff gets stolen it's my fault for not adequately securing it or watching it. Same with burned up. If that happens, it's my fault and I deserve to lose them.
In fairness, I don't advocate with the government. So that's something I don't already have.
In fairness, I don't advocate with the government. So that's something I don't already have.
07-28-2016, 01:49 PM
#448
So if it's your fault does that mean you wouldn't file a claim with your homeowner's policy?
07-28-2016, 01:57 PM
#450
For those selfish folks I guess who enjoy the hobby, from around the world mind you....they have a word class place to fly. Of course some of them actually bring their family who enjoy the hobby as well.
Having been to the Alamo, I can tell you I'd rather go to Muncie...but obviously it's about personal preference.
The selfish thing is how I was raised - "self last." As for whether they'd like it or not, my family does not enjoy the hobby. I'm the only one, so it would be an imposition on them. That gets back to the selfish thing. I'm just not that way.
My family is big into US history. My 12yo daughter knows more about Lee and Gettysburg than most adults. My sons have seen more historical sites in the country than just about all of their classmates, and even better they can talk about them in detail.
