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#653
This doesn't mean stick your head in the sand. This means expect the best, prepare for the worst.
#654
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But we're not really dealing with the mafia here are we? And there's quite a difference between knowledge, and complaining about the here and now, and prognosticating doom and gloom and strife in the future. Knowledge is power, and knowing what reality is versus what might be, or how it was in the past, and what we want for the future are not the same.
I haven't seen a specific issue yet where a potential problem has been ignored, god knows the drone issue has been discussed and dealt with here and at the AMA for how many years now? Years!
#656
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And equally discussed by the everything is horrible see I knew it would happen and oops it didn't really happen but trust me after 14 years I know something bad is going to happen just around the corner crowd.
Meanwhile, back in reality, folks continue to fly just as they have done all along. The amazing power of positive thinking and going on with life without daily doom and gloom. If they don't do nothing wrong....they won't get caught. Easy peazy lemon squeezy!
Meanwhile, back in reality, folks continue to fly just as they have done all along. The amazing power of positive thinking and going on with life without daily doom and gloom. If they don't do nothing wrong....they won't get caught. Easy peazy lemon squeezy!
#657
But it's not illegal to wear goggles to fly FPV, for members of a CBO.
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#661
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So if U are a member of the AMA none of this pertains to AMA Members is what U are saying? ... But if but if don't belong to the AMA and fly FPV anywhere in the USA U are breaking FAR Part 101?
[h=4]PART 101 - MOORED BALLOONS, KITES, UNMANNED ROCKETS AND UNMANNED FREE BALLOONS[/h]I don't see anything pertaining to flying FPV or sUAS.
[h=4]PART 101 - MOORED BALLOONS, KITES, UNMANNED ROCKETS AND UNMANNED FREE BALLOONS[/h]I don't see anything pertaining to flying FPV or sUAS.
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The definition of a model aircraft in section 336 reads in part "(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft." In the Recommendations of the sUAS ARC of Apr 2009, this definition: "Visual Line-of-Sight:
Unaided (corrective lenses and/or sunglasses exempted) visual contact with aircraft sufficient to be able to maintain operational control of the aircraft, know its location, and be able to scan the airspace in which it is operating to decisively see and avoid other air traffic or objects." This definition was attributed to Rich Hanson, the AMA rep on the committee, in an annotated version of the ARC report that appeared on the AMA website.
If that is the definition of VLOS that FAA is using, and I think it is, the 'observer' rule in the AMA 505 docs is real stretch.
- the observer cannot reasonably maintain operational control of the aircraft, in FPV racing especially
- the operator cannot reasonably scan the airspace in which it operating.........
#663
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Fly beyond true LOS then you might cause yourself some problems. Confine yourself to the safety code and I doubt anyone will bother you.
If me personally were holding or participating in a race this weekend, I'd make plans to go (tropical storms not withstanding)
That's the view from AMA HQ.
What I would absolutely NOT do is something stupid to bring unwanted attention to myself like flying BLOS around the city bridges and or posting a YT video of doing something stupid.
I can tell you that quad racing occurs, for the most part, under the tree line at our field and the FAA has better things to do.
Cause a problem with a manned aircraft and you will have problems, FPV or not.
I'm not your lawyer or even a lawyer, I'm just telling you my personal take on what I've heard from the Govt relations guys.
If me personally were holding or participating in a race this weekend, I'd make plans to go (tropical storms not withstanding)
That's the view from AMA HQ.
What I would absolutely NOT do is something stupid to bring unwanted attention to myself like flying BLOS around the city bridges and or posting a YT video of doing something stupid.
I can tell you that quad racing occurs, for the most part, under the tree line at our field and the FAA has better things to do.
Cause a problem with a manned aircraft and you will have problems, FPV or not.
I'm not your lawyer or even a lawyer, I'm just telling you my personal take on what I've heard from the Govt relations guys.
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Fly beyond true LOS then you might cause yourself some problems. Confine yourself to the safety code and I doubt anyone will bother you.
If me personally were holding or participating in a race this weekend, I'd make plans to go (tropical storms not withstanding)
That's the view from AMA HQ.
What I would absolutely NOT do is something stupid to bring unwanted attention to myself like flying BLOS around the city bridges and or posting a YT video of doing something stupid.
I can tell you that quad racing occurs, for the most part, under the tree line at our field and the FAA has better things to do.
Cause a problem with a manned aircraft and you will have problems, FPV or not.
I'm not your lawyer or even a lawyer, I'm just telling you my personal take on what I've heard from the Govt relations guys.
If me personally were holding or participating in a race this weekend, I'd make plans to go (tropical storms not withstanding)
That's the view from AMA HQ.
What I would absolutely NOT do is something stupid to bring unwanted attention to myself like flying BLOS around the city bridges and or posting a YT video of doing something stupid.
I can tell you that quad racing occurs, for the most part, under the tree line at our field and the FAA has better things to do.
Cause a problem with a manned aircraft and you will have problems, FPV or not.
I'm not your lawyer or even a lawyer, I'm just telling you my personal take on what I've heard from the Govt relations guys.
So basically, the advice is..."don't get caught"
#666
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Might not be so easy as the 400' limit, which was never stated in the law.
The definition of a model aircraft in section 336 reads in part "(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft." In the Recommendations of the sUAS ARC of Apr 2009, this definition: "Visual Line-of-Sight:
Unaided (corrective lenses and/or sunglasses exempted) visual contact with aircraft sufficient to be able to maintain operational control of the aircraft, know its location, and be able to scan the airspace in which it is operating to decisively see and avoid other air traffic or objects." This definition was attributed to Rich Hanson, the AMA rep on the committee, in an annotated version of the ARC report that appeared on the AMA website.
If that is the definition of VLOS that FAA is using, and I think it is, the 'observer' rule in the AMA 505 docs is real stretch.
- the observer cannot reasonably maintain operational control of the aircraft, in FPV racing especially
- the operator cannot reasonably scan the airspace in which it operating.........
The definition of a model aircraft in section 336 reads in part "(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft." In the Recommendations of the sUAS ARC of Apr 2009, this definition: "Visual Line-of-Sight:
Unaided (corrective lenses and/or sunglasses exempted) visual contact with aircraft sufficient to be able to maintain operational control of the aircraft, know its location, and be able to scan the airspace in which it is operating to decisively see and avoid other air traffic or objects." This definition was attributed to Rich Hanson, the AMA rep on the committee, in an annotated version of the ARC report that appeared on the AMA website.
If that is the definition of VLOS that FAA is using, and I think it is, the 'observer' rule in the AMA 505 docs is real stretch.
- the observer cannot reasonably maintain operational control of the aircraft, in FPV racing especially
- the operator cannot reasonably scan the airspace in which it operating.........
#668
If that is the definition of VLOS that FAA is using, and I think it is, the 'observer' rule in the AMA 505 docs is real stretch.
- the observer cannot reasonably maintain operational control of the aircraft, in FPV racing especially
- the operator cannot reasonably scan the airspace in which it operating.........
- the observer cannot reasonably maintain operational control of the aircraft, in FPV racing especially
- the operator cannot reasonably scan the airspace in which it operating.........
#669
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Interestingly enough, the FPV section in Part 107 essentially parrots the AMA FPV guidance. Must use a spotter and remain within VLOS of the spotter. This leads me to believe that the FAA is softening their position on FPV. It is also clear that they think the AMA guidance is sufficient for Part 107 use. I suspect that we will see them carry that over into Part 101 operations fairly soon.
#670
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Time will tell What happens to our hobby. . To all spotters Don't watch your pilots Plane scan the skys runway and the area for potential hazards, Hazardeds like other aircraft or people on the runway. Almost had a disaster Sunday when a turbine powered jet (at the noon demonstration) when going Vertical went right behind a Cessna. The spotter was watching the jet instead of scanning for hazards. We came real close to making the National 6 O'Clock news.
#671
Time will tell What happens to our hobby. . To all spotters Don't watch your pilots Plane scan the skys runway and the area for potential hazards, Hazardeds like other aircraft or people on the runway. Almost had a disaster Sunday when a turbine powered jet (at the noon demonstration) when going Vertical went right behind a Cessna. The spotter was watching the jet instead of scanning for hazards. We came real close to making the National 6 O'Clock news.
Watch the videos on the AMA blog and you can see the observer and the operator's heads moving in sync.
#672
Was this a spotter required for safety reasons? Because for aerobatics they often use an optional spotter keeping track of manoeuvre's and giving advice sometimes used for practice as well. So you would need to know if the spotter was required for safety to speculate. Even for safety he will need to keep tract of the plane to some extent as well.
#673
Was this a spotter required for safety reasons? Because for aerobatics they often use an optional spotter keeping track of manoeuvre's and giving advice sometimes used for practice as well. So you would need to know if the spotter was required for safety to speculate. Even for safety he will need to keep tract of the plane to some extent as well.
In a video specifically entitled "See and Avoid" (http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/govmedia.aspx)
Unlikely.
#674
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Was this a spotter required for safety reasons? Because for aerobatics they often use an optional spotter keeping track of manoeuvre's and giving advice sometimes used for practice as well. So you would need to know if the spotter was required for safety to speculate. Even for safety he will need to keep tract of the plane to some extent as well.
#675
Time will tell What happens to our hobby. . To all spotters Don't watch your pilots Plane scan the skys runway and the area for potential hazards, Hazardeds like other aircraft or people on the runway. Almost had a disaster Sunday when a turbine powered jet (at the noon demonstration) when going Vertical went right behind a Cessna. The spotter was watching the jet instead of scanning for hazards. We came real close to making the National 6 O'Clock news.
PS , To Hound , I'm very happy to hear of your good fortune of not having a turbine powered anything getting into a crash at your field , like you say , we don't need any negative 6:00 news coverage