All that AMA money, ever wonder where it all goes?
#27
Whatever the total budget, 20% to Muncie field work, 80% to all others - with a focus on getting more fields close to where members actually live.
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#29
Not sure why the AMA needs to give an equal amount of clubs that it spends on Muncie, seeing as how the HQ is there. This whole idea of them handing out money to clubs has an odd socialist sort of feel to it. I pay dues and live one place, so that they AMA then takes my dues and sends it to clubs all over the country. No, I'd rather not have that. There is no amount that would ever satisfy you, it appears. There is no split that would ever work. As long as Muncie gets anything it seems like it will be an issue for you. I'm glad the AMA helps support clubs here and there, as needed, and most importantly, as deserved. It's the clubs responsibility to raise their own funds and become self sufficient. If they can't do it, that's on them. There are plenty of ways to raise funds without them looking for a handout. You'll note from all that data Mike was able to share that some clubs made repeated requests for money in the same year and were turned down. What are some of the ways your club raised money?
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7.8 million in "operating expenses" in 2015
7.2 million in "operating expenses" in 2014
6.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2013
6.6 million in "operating expenses" in 2012
7.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2011
6.3 million in "operating expenses" in 2010
These expenses do not include publishing,supply cost ( including souvenirs) ,deprecation.officer services ( whatever that is) and committees. I got these numbers here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Members...tatements.aspx
Mike
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#31
That argument works both ways. Why should money that comes from membership dollars around the country be used to make improvements at a field many/most members will never use? That's no different.
#32
Wonder just how much of these "operating costs" are directly related to the Muncie site? Surely with this kinda money being spent a mere 22,000.00 given out in site grants could be adjusted higher to help local clubs maintain and build sites. After all isn't that were the paying members (and future members) fly? After all aren't we on the front lines doing all the recruiting for the "front office"?
7.8 million in "operating expenses" in 2015
7.2 million in "operating expenses" in 2014
6.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2013
6.6 million in "operating expenses" in 2012
7.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2011
6.3 million in "operating expenses" in 2010
These expenses do not include publishing,supply cost ( including souvenirs) ,deprecation.officer services ( whatever that is) and committees. I got these numbers here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Members...tatements.aspx
Mike
7.8 million in "operating expenses" in 2015
7.2 million in "operating expenses" in 2014
6.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2013
6.6 million in "operating expenses" in 2012
7.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2011
6.3 million in "operating expenses" in 2010
These expenses do not include publishing,supply cost ( including souvenirs) ,deprecation.officer services ( whatever that is) and committees. I got these numbers here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Members...tatements.aspx
Mike
#33
Note 1: Dave Scott MA article
#34
Picked this gem from Franklin's quote.
Originally Posted by porcia83
It's the clubs responsibility to raise their own funds and become self sufficient. If they can't do it, that's on them.
Wow, you can't be serious.. I though the Headquarters were there to support the local clubs and members.
Guess not.
Mike
Originally Posted by porcia83
It's the clubs responsibility to raise their own funds and become self sufficient. If they can't do it, that's on them.
Wow, you can't be serious.. I though the Headquarters were there to support the local clubs and members.
Guess not.
Mike
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to that 2.5 million dollar insurance they brag about that nobody ever got nor ever will. Way too many stipulations. I guess they have to have though.
That money makes so much interest not to mention your dues.
Think they lobbied for some mandates?
That money makes so much interest not to mention your dues.
Think they lobbied for some mandates?
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thanks mike, I'll have to check mine but my closest club REQUIRES AMA period. I think not only for the ins. but for the commeroderry. The feeling one would be an outcast if they didn't "belong".
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No mention of RC so I'll have to call
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Wonder just how much of these "operating costs" are directly related to the Muncie site? Surely with this kinda money being spent a mere 22,000.00 given out in site grants could be adjusted higher to help local clubs maintain and build sites. After all isn't that were the paying members (and future members) fly? After all aren't we on the front lines doing all the recruiting for the "front office"?
7.8 million in "operating expenses" in 2015
7.2 million in "operating expenses" in 2014
6.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2013
6.6 million in "operating expenses" in 2012
7.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2011
6.3 million in "operating expenses" in 2010
These expenses do not include publishing,supply cost ( including souvenirs) ,deprecation.officer services ( whatever that is) and committees. I got these numbers here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Members...tatements.aspx
Mike
7.8 million in "operating expenses" in 2015
7.2 million in "operating expenses" in 2014
6.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2013
6.6 million in "operating expenses" in 2012
7.7 million in "operating expenses" in 2011
6.3 million in "operating expenses" in 2010
These expenses do not include publishing,supply cost ( including souvenirs) ,deprecation.officer services ( whatever that is) and committees. I got these numbers here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/Members...tatements.aspx
Mike
As to costs to keep multiple facilities open, have you ever owned a business and the brick and mortar building it was in? Pay for maintenance and upkeep? How about landscaping? You work part time in a hobby shop, ask the owner some of these questions. Do you know what "operating expenses" mean, and what is involved with them?
Also, if you're going to mock the figure given out to clubs as "mere", at least get it right...it was $23,000, not $22,000. I guess we will differ on what "mere" is, that seems like a lot of money. Chances are the 3 clubs that received money in your state were appreciative...at least I would hope. TX clubs got 3 out of the 4 grants. Nice!
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Picked this gem from Franklin's quote.
Originally Posted by porcia83
It's the clubs responsibility to raise their own funds and become self sufficient. If they can't do it, that's on them.
Wow, you can't be serious.. I though the Headquarters were there to support the local clubs and members.
Guess not.
Mike
Originally Posted by porcia83
It's the clubs responsibility to raise their own funds and become self sufficient. If they can't do it, that's on them.
Wow, you can't be serious.. I though the Headquarters were there to support the local clubs and members.
Guess not.
Mike
#46
You don't seem to understand how the AMA program works, or what types of claims have been submitted, and paid. Is the rest of your premise that the AMA is profiting off of our dues from interest? A quick review of the financials shows that's just not the case.
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If your insurance covered you and you paid your club dues I just can't see what the problem would be. Unless your site owner spelled out AMA insurance in the lease. I cannot speak for other clubs but when were approached with a logical alternatives were open to listen and try and work out a solution.
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#48
Hey...we were really thankful for it. Another $75.00 is coming our way soon based on a newspaper article featuring our clubs recent event. I know of one club close to ours that got $350.00 for help after sustained significant damage to their field. With only 35 members, and the damages sustained, it was a big help to them. But this is yet another classic damned if they do, damned if they don't scenario. They give out money, but of course it's not enough. If they don't give it out, well, they are bad for that too. It's a no win. I guess some clubs like it though, they kept going back to the well over and over in the same year. Go figure.
RC will fall under peronsal contents/property. You're covered for it, subject to deductibles on the first party side, and damages you cause to other parties (in most instances). If you want more coverage you can always ask for it, but you'll pay more. It's always best to check with your carrier or agent though, and get it in writing.
#49
I agree with you Mike, as to how it should be. AMA, however, attaches strings to its club charters, which most clubs buy in order to insure the flying site owner. Rule #1 is that only AMA members will be allowed to fly at chartered club sites. There is one exception: If the owner of the site is a public entity that does not allow exclusion of non-club members, then AMA will waive that condition. Lacking that waiver, the 'cheap' insurance provided to cover the owner of the land is $60 or whatever it may have slightly inflated to, plus the cost of all the personal insurance policies mandated for club membership, whether they have coverage for model flying by their HO (and or PUP, etc.) or not. One 80 member club I belong to pays $6 grand/year for that cheap insurance covering the public entity that owns it, and that is pretty typical.
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You were looking for alternatives to paying into AMA's primary money making machine. Right, sure you were.............