a different approach to dealing with the FAA
05-24-2017, 05:55 AM
#1
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a different approach to dealing with the FAA
Thanks to the efforts of Mr. Taylor we have a victory in the fight to keep the government out of our hobby, but the FAA is most likely looking to their next effort to reverse the situation. We need to get ahead of them and start laying the ground work to stop them.
We do need to write to our elected to officials and express our opinion that the FAA is pursuing a needless course in regulating “Model Aircraft”.We need to kill the title “Drone”. Let your elected official know that “we” consider the title “Drone” offensive and derogatory, we fly “Model Aircraft” not “Drones”. If the United States Government is going to refer to the objects that we fly, please quit insulting us with the “D” word. Use of “D word” is very intentional.
Does this matter? Decades ago an AR15 was a semi-automatic rifle, today it is an Assault Weapon. That change was pushed into place by those who want to regulate or ban them. Semi-automatic rifle is a fairly non-threatening term, while Assault Weapon is a horrible sounding thing that needs to be regulated or banned. The gun control folks made progress towards their goals via that approach.
The term “Model Aircraft” is generally pleasant. Any governmental agency trying to legislate against that term is probably going to have a hard time making it happen. However, the term “Drone” has mostly negative connotation. The military does “Drone Strikes”, and in nature a drone is pretty much at the bottom of hierarchy, just doing whatever it is that nature programmed it to do. Getting legislation through against “Drones” is easier.
Any way we do it we most likely are going to have a tough battle ahead. The FAA is like any other living breathing creature, it wants to grow and gain power. Gaining dominion over us is a small step in that direction.
Titles really do matter, as the President of the United States has proven, just ask crooked Hillary, or the “evil losers” formally known as ISIS.
Let your elected official know that regulating “Model Aircraft” is a waste of time, and that you are insulted by the use of the “D” word.
Respectfully,
Steven
We do need to write to our elected to officials and express our opinion that the FAA is pursuing a needless course in regulating “Model Aircraft”.We need to kill the title “Drone”. Let your elected official know that “we” consider the title “Drone” offensive and derogatory, we fly “Model Aircraft” not “Drones”. If the United States Government is going to refer to the objects that we fly, please quit insulting us with the “D” word. Use of “D word” is very intentional.
Does this matter? Decades ago an AR15 was a semi-automatic rifle, today it is an Assault Weapon. That change was pushed into place by those who want to regulate or ban them. Semi-automatic rifle is a fairly non-threatening term, while Assault Weapon is a horrible sounding thing that needs to be regulated or banned. The gun control folks made progress towards their goals via that approach.
The term “Model Aircraft” is generally pleasant. Any governmental agency trying to legislate against that term is probably going to have a hard time making it happen. However, the term “Drone” has mostly negative connotation. The military does “Drone Strikes”, and in nature a drone is pretty much at the bottom of hierarchy, just doing whatever it is that nature programmed it to do. Getting legislation through against “Drones” is easier.
Any way we do it we most likely are going to have a tough battle ahead. The FAA is like any other living breathing creature, it wants to grow and gain power. Gaining dominion over us is a small step in that direction.
Titles really do matter, as the President of the United States has proven, just ask crooked Hillary, or the “evil losers” formally known as ISIS.
Let your elected official know that regulating “Model Aircraft” is a waste of time, and that you are insulted by the use of the “D” word.
Respectfully,
Steven
Last edited by S_Ellzey; 05-24-2017 at 05:59 AM. Reason: fixing spacing
05-24-2017, 09:04 AM
#2
And, while I agree with you in principle, someone flying FPV and out of LOS is, for all purposes, FLYING A DRONE. This is a definition that comes from the military.
A drone was originally a radio controlled aircraft used for target practice, hence a target drone. F-16s with high hour airframes used as targets for AA or air to air training are referred to as drones today. The Predator is considered a drone due to it's remote controlled FPV flight profile as well.
To me, if the FAA and Congress wants to regulate drones, that's fine by me. If they want to regulate our model aircraft that are being flown within LOS and not FPV, NOW I HAVE AN ISSUE!!!!! The wording needs to be more precise as to what they want to regulate, not just dump everything into one basket and figure it's good enough.
A drone was originally a radio controlled aircraft used for target practice, hence a target drone. F-16s with high hour airframes used as targets for AA or air to air training are referred to as drones today. The Predator is considered a drone due to it's remote controlled FPV flight profile as well.
To me, if the FAA and Congress wants to regulate drones, that's fine by me. If they want to regulate our model aircraft that are being flown within LOS and not FPV, NOW I HAVE AN ISSUE!!!!! The wording needs to be more precise as to what they want to regulate, not just dump everything into one basket and figure it's good enough.
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 05-24-2017 at 09:06 AM.
05-24-2017, 11:41 AM
#3
That and the FAA only uses "drone" in the generic media sense, they consider anything that flys remotely, without a pilot on board, to be an SUAS and their rules don't leave any interpretation. The difference is an SUAS flown for recreation or for pleasure, and one flown commercially, be it a jet, quad, glider, whatever
05-28-2017, 02:57 PM
#4
Thanks to the efforts of Mr. Taylor we have a victory in the fight to keep the government out of our hobby, but the FAA is most likely looking to their next effort to reverse the situation. We need to get ahead of them and start laying the ground work to stop them.
We do need to write to our elected to officials and express our opinion that the FAA is pursuing a needless course in regulating “Model Aircraft”.We need to kill the title “Drone”. Let your elected official know that “we” consider the title “Drone” offensive and derogatory, we fly “Model Aircraft” not “Drones”. If the United States Government is going to refer to the objects that we fly, please quit insulting us with the “D” word. Use of “D word” is very intentional.
Does this matter? Decades ago an AR15 was a semi-automatic rifle, today it is an Assault Weapon. That change was pushed into place by those who want to regulate or ban them. Semi-automatic rifle is a fairly non-threatening term, while Assault Weapon is a horrible sounding thing that needs to be regulated or banned. The gun control folks made progress towards their goals via that approach.
The term “Model Aircraft” is generally pleasant. Any governmental agency trying to legislate against that term is probably going to have a hard time making it happen. However, the term “Drone” has mostly negative connotation. The military does “Drone Strikes”, and in nature a drone is pretty much at the bottom of hierarchy, just doing whatever it is that nature programmed it to do. Getting legislation through against “Drones” is easier.
Any way we do it we most likely are going to have a tough battle ahead. The FAA is like any other living breathing creature, it wants to grow and gain power. Gaining dominion over us is a small step in that direction.
Titles really do matter, as the President of the United States has proven, just ask crooked Hillary, or the “evil losers” formally known as ISIS.
Let your elected official know that regulating “Model Aircraft” is a waste of time, and that you are insulted by the use of the “D” word.
Respectfully,
Steven
We do need to write to our elected to officials and express our opinion that the FAA is pursuing a needless course in regulating “Model Aircraft”.We need to kill the title “Drone”. Let your elected official know that “we” consider the title “Drone” offensive and derogatory, we fly “Model Aircraft” not “Drones”. If the United States Government is going to refer to the objects that we fly, please quit insulting us with the “D” word. Use of “D word” is very intentional.
Does this matter? Decades ago an AR15 was a semi-automatic rifle, today it is an Assault Weapon. That change was pushed into place by those who want to regulate or ban them. Semi-automatic rifle is a fairly non-threatening term, while Assault Weapon is a horrible sounding thing that needs to be regulated or banned. The gun control folks made progress towards their goals via that approach.
The term “Model Aircraft” is generally pleasant. Any governmental agency trying to legislate against that term is probably going to have a hard time making it happen. However, the term “Drone” has mostly negative connotation. The military does “Drone Strikes”, and in nature a drone is pretty much at the bottom of hierarchy, just doing whatever it is that nature programmed it to do. Getting legislation through against “Drones” is easier.
Any way we do it we most likely are going to have a tough battle ahead. The FAA is like any other living breathing creature, it wants to grow and gain power. Gaining dominion over us is a small step in that direction.
Titles really do matter, as the President of the United States has proven, just ask crooked Hillary, or the “evil losers” formally known as ISIS.
Let your elected official know that regulating “Model Aircraft” is a waste of time, and that you are insulted by the use of the “D” word.
Respectfully,
Steven
At least in my case you are preaching to the converted. You should start by convincing our own advocacy group (the AMA) that they need to create this distinction between drones and us instead of blurring it or intentionally arguing that the 2 CANNOT be disentangled.
Any rational reasonable person can tell the difference between a drone and a model aircraft, ONLY those with a vested interest in lumping them together cannot seem to see the obvious.
05-28-2017, 08:54 PM
#5
The distinction need to more to be more in line as to where a model is operated from and the distance the model is flown from the site it is operated from. I see absoulty no problem with FPV as long as its not
flown past the bounds of a designated RC site and models operated from a designated RC should not be regulated by gov unless they interfere with full scale operations, CBO membership should not be a
factor as to making a decision as to should a model be regulated or not.
flown past the bounds of a designated RC site and models operated from a designated RC should not be regulated by gov unless they interfere with full scale operations, CBO membership should not be a
factor as to making a decision as to should a model be regulated or not.
