Drone hits Army Blackhawk
12-29-2017, 03:50 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Drone hits Army Blackhawk
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...dent-in-rotor/
Sounds like he didn't even get a slap on the wrist for his ignorance. At the very least he should have been fined the cost of repairs to the Blackhawk. And people say they can't do harm. Parts of the drone were stuck in the helicopter.
Sounds like he didn't even get a slap on the wrist for his ignorance. At the very least he should have been fined the cost of repairs to the Blackhawk. And people say they can't do harm. Parts of the drone were stuck in the helicopter.
12-30-2017, 04:59 PM
#4
He violated at least two rules:
1) Out of line of site, especially at dusk
2) Flying into a no-fly area.
That should cost him something, just how much is up for debate
1) Out of line of site, especially at dusk
2) Flying into a no-fly area.
That should cost him something, just how much is up for debate
12-31-2017, 07:16 AM
#5
And THIS type of stupidity is why "Drone" operators should be dis- associated with our hobby.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
Last edited by Tommy_Gun; 12-31-2017 at 07:25 AM.
12-31-2017, 07:58 AM
#6
Thread Starter
And THIS type of stupidity is why "Drone" operators should be dis- associated with our hobby.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
01-02-2018, 07:16 AM
#7
Unfortunately, just about every RTR/RTF is an accident waiting to happen. Since there's no invested effort or time, they're looked upon as disposable and not as something that can be dangerous to the operator or anyone else in the area. It's a sad truth that people die every year due to R/C products being used in unsafe ways. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if it's a plane, boat, car, buggy or quad-copter, people seem to leave common sense and safety in their car or, worse still, at home when they head out for some fun with the toy.
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 01-02-2018 at 08:01 AM.
01-02-2018, 12:19 PM
#8
Comparing a fixed wing or even helicopter model intended to be flown at a DEDICATED RC FLYING SITE, in line of sight,
to a drone that has not had the same constraints or intentions for use EMPHASIZED by its manufacturer, is not even a close comparison.
to a drone that has not had the same constraints or intentions for use EMPHASIZED by its manufacturer, is not even a close comparison.
01-02-2018, 07:31 PM
#9
Actually, it is a close comparison, to the non-R/C public. The media has lumped everything that is R/C into the "drone" camp. You have to remember, you can install a camera on a plane or chopper and have the same basic capabilities as the quad does. The difference is you would actually have to fly it for the whole trip, not just out to where you decide to hit the "home" button
01-03-2018, 03:28 AM
#10
Ahhhh, OK, Now I see.
You 're just here for the argument.
Please note my original post on this page..
You 're just here for the argument.
Please note my original post on this page..
And THIS type of stupidity is why "Drone" operators should be dis- associated with our hobby.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
And why we should insist that the AMA take steps to curtail any further damage to our hobby by "Drone" operators.
What these types of incidents cost the individual "Drone" operators is of no interest to me.
Rather, the damage that the "Drone" operators are doing to our hobby and the businesses associated with our hobby is my greatest concern.
You don't "fly"a "drone".
You simply program it or point it to go where you want.
If you aren't dealing with all the variables that are constantly changing in guiding a plane or helicopter thru the air IN LINE OF SIGHT, then you aren't flying.
There is no building, craftsmanship skill associated with assembling a "Drone"
They have nothing to do with the fundamentals of model aviation.
They are simply a fast track to instant gratification for any ID10t that has the financial ability to gain access to one.
01-03-2018, 10:00 AM
#11
Not looking to be contrary here , but my experience has been different .
Since I'm around a lot of people in my day to day life , and since this subject has come up in the past here at the RCU AMA forum , I did an experiment some months back that gave me much hope . I took a photograph of a multicopter and a photograph of my plane in my avatar . I showed randomly chosen non aviation familiar folks both photos and asked them what they would call the flying device in the picture . I stopped the experiment at around 25 or so people asked , and each and every one of them identified the multicopter as a "drone" and my PT-17 as either an "airplane" or as 2 respondents said "Snoopy VS the Red Baron"
Public perception wise , the die has been cast , if it's got one or two sets of conventional wings it's an airplane , if it's got 4 rotors it's a drone . Now , since it IS greater public usage that determines what a word means , the public has themselves decided what is a drone VS conventional airplane , the same public I'll remind you that decided "Gay" should no longer mean happy but instead something different altogether , and the "word purists" among us are just gonna have to accept the public at large's definition .
Try it yourself if you don't believe me , you'll quickly find what the general public thinks a drone is ......
Since I'm around a lot of people in my day to day life , and since this subject has come up in the past here at the RCU AMA forum , I did an experiment some months back that gave me much hope . I took a photograph of a multicopter and a photograph of my plane in my avatar . I showed randomly chosen non aviation familiar folks both photos and asked them what they would call the flying device in the picture . I stopped the experiment at around 25 or so people asked , and each and every one of them identified the multicopter as a "drone" and my PT-17 as either an "airplane" or as 2 respondents said "Snoopy VS the Red Baron"
Public perception wise , the die has been cast , if it's got one or two sets of conventional wings it's an airplane , if it's got 4 rotors it's a drone . Now , since it IS greater public usage that determines what a word means , the public has themselves decided what is a drone VS conventional airplane , the same public I'll remind you that decided "Gay" should no longer mean happy but instead something different altogether , and the "word purists" among us are just gonna have to accept the public at large's definition .
Try it yourself if you don't believe me , you'll quickly find what the general public thinks a drone is ......
01-05-2018, 11:03 AM
#12
[QUOTE=Hydro Junkie;12394967]Actually, it is a close comparison, to the non-R/C public. The media has lumped everything that is R/C into the "drone" camp. You have to remember, you can install a camera on a plane or chopper and have the same basic capabilities as the quad does. The difference is you would actually have to fly it for the whole trip, not just out to where you decide to hit the "home" button[/QUOTE
I must disagree to a point, in that we do not want this comparison to happen yet agree with your statement about fixed wing flying. I have flown my fixed wing FPV and it is a lot more harder to fly and to concentrate. It's practically impossible for anyone with limited flying experience to fly a fixed wing, and even more complicated with a helicopter. Just about all the quads are self flying, or have flying assist features. AMA needs to keep this type of flying separated from the traditional plank flyers if they expect the government to respect traditional flying and flying sites.
I must disagree to a point, in that we do not want this comparison to happen yet agree with your statement about fixed wing flying. I have flown my fixed wing FPV and it is a lot more harder to fly and to concentrate. It's practically impossible for anyone with limited flying experience to fly a fixed wing, and even more complicated with a helicopter. Just about all the quads are self flying, or have flying assist features. AMA needs to keep this type of flying separated from the traditional plank flyers if they expect the government to respect traditional flying and flying sites.
01-05-2018, 12:17 PM
#13
[QUOTE=scottrc;12395664]
My point is that, thanks to the media, most people think of anything that flies that is R/C is a drone. Yes, you can fly a plane FPV, just like a quad. I refrained from saying how difficult it is since I've not flown anything FPV and don't plan to. That was why I said that you would have to fly for the whole time, not just until you hit the "home" button
Actually, it is a close comparison, to the non-R/C public. The media has lumped everything that is R/C into the "drone" camp. You have to remember, you can install a camera on a plane or chopper and have the same basic capabilities as the quad does. The difference is you would actually have to fly it for the whole trip, not just out to where you decide to hit the "home" button[/QUOTE
I must disagree to a point, in that we do not want this comparison to happen yet agree with your statement about fixed wing flying. I have flown my fixed wing FPV and it is a lot more harder to fly and to concentrate. It's practically impossible for anyone with limited flying experience to fly a fixed wing, and even more complicated with a helicopter. Just about all the quads are self flying, or have flying assist features. AMA needs to keep this type of flying separated from the traditional plank flyers if they expect the government to respect traditional flying and flying sites.
I must disagree to a point, in that we do not want this comparison to happen yet agree with your statement about fixed wing flying. I have flown my fixed wing FPV and it is a lot more harder to fly and to concentrate. It's practically impossible for anyone with limited flying experience to fly a fixed wing, and even more complicated with a helicopter. Just about all the quads are self flying, or have flying assist features. AMA needs to keep this type of flying separated from the traditional plank flyers if they expect the government to respect traditional flying and flying sites.
01-06-2018, 10:03 AM
#14
Thread Starter
[QUOTE=Hydro Junkie;12395677]
Too true! There needs to be a Clear and Well Defined separation between "drone" and the typical RC aircraft we have been flying since the dawn of RC. This is something the AMA NEEDS to work on!
My point is that, thanks to the media, most people think of anything that flies that is R/C is a drone. Yes, you can fly a plane FPV, just like a quad. I refrained from saying how difficult it is since I've not flown anything FPV and don't plan to. That was why I said that you would have to fly for the whole time, not just until you hit the "home" button
01-06-2018, 12:05 PM
#15
But this is the problem , the public does indeed know the difference between what they call a drone (multicopter) vs a model airplane , it's OUR OWN AMA that is deliberately "blurring the line" in it's own desperate fight for survival , deliberately blurring the line (to any elected officials who will listen) between LOS & BLOS and hobby VS commercial .
01-06-2018, 05:47 PM
#16
Thread Starter
Well there is the intelligent public, and there are the buttercup and snowflakes who suck up bad information and spread it and believe every word of it. However, if you look at what I wrote in CAPS, Isn't that what I said?
