AMA rights
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AMA rights
Does the AMA back up your rights to attend a fun -fly event just too watch? This club is North of Brooksville Florida & is having a pylon race soon. Also a Fun fly open tp the public. I only got a few weeks in Florida & then its back to Michigan. I have been to many RC events in several states & have never been treated so rude. They say I need to join their club to watch ! It would cost me $75 to join. Then I can watch the event. I have stopped there to buy some glow fuel from a member a few times & 2-3 members there run me off. I never ran into any guys like that in my 30 years of flying RC & have trained over 23 people to fly. Also helped many guys tune their RC engines. What is your AMA rights?????
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Does the AMA back up your rights to attend a fun -fly event just too watch? This club is North of Brooksville Florida & is having a pylon race soon. Also a Fun fly open tp the public. I only got a few weeks in Florida & then its back to Michigan. I have been to many RC events in several states & have never been treated so rude. They say I need to join their club to watch ! It would cost me $75 to join. Then I can watch the event. I have stopped there to buy some glow fuel from a member a few times & 2-3 members there run me off. I never ran into any guys like that in my 30 years of flying RC & have trained over 23 people to fly. Also helped many guys tune their RC engines. What is your AMA rights?????
"Does an AMA member have the right to be on the premises of any AMA affiliated club field , whether he/she is wanted there or not ?"
Now my gut feeling guess would be that no , you have no right to be anywhere your not wanted , whether AMA affiliated or not . Of course bear in mind that this is just a guess on my part , based on the fact that the AMA takes a more or less "hands off" approach to the running of clubs provided the club isn't running afoul of any AMA edicts , and my guess could very well be wrong .
But , whether my guess is right or wrong , my return question to you would be ;
"If the people at that club are SO unfriendly and unwelcoming , WHY would you want to spend any time or a single dime there , at a place where you're clearly not wanted ?"
Any club that is as unfriendly as you portray this one to be won't likely be a club for long , provided you actually are a total stranger to them and haven't tried previously to pull the "I'm an AMA member so I have the right to be here (or fly here) just on that basis , even though I'm not a member here" stunt with them , in which case the unfriendliness may well be targeted to you alone and not to the rest of the general population ....
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I've never heard of that Captinjohn - can't even WATCH???? That doesn't sound like a club I would have anything to do with for sure. If you are in Phoenix, you are more than welcome to come, watch and of course fly (AMA required). We like to have potential club members fly with us for a month or two and then decide if they want to join.......that is unless you use up all the air and we can't fly
Jerry
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Any club that is as unfriendly as you portray this one to be won't likely be a club for long , provided you actually are a total stranger to them and haven't tried previously to pull the "I'm an AMA member so I have the right to be here (or fly here) just on that basis , even though I'm not a member here" stunt with them , in which case the unfriendliness may well be targeted to you alone and not to the rest of the general population ....
Any club that is as unfriendly as you portray this one to be won't likely be a club for long , provided you actually are a total stranger to them and haven't tried previously to pull the "I'm an AMA member so I have the right to be here (or fly here) just on that basis , even though I'm not a member here" stunt with them , in which case the unfriendliness may well be targeted to you alone and not to the rest of the general population ....
#6
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Does the AMA back up your rights to attend a fun -fly event just too watch? This club is North of Brooksville Florida & is having a pylon race soon. Also a Fun fly open tp the public. I only got a few weeks in Florida & then its back to Michigan. I have been to many RC events in several states & have never been treated so rude. They say I need to join their club to watch ! It would cost me $75 to join. Then I can watch the event. I have stopped there to buy some glow fuel from a member a few times & 2-3 members there run me off. I never ran into any guys like that in my 30 years of flying RC & have trained over 23 people to fly. Also helped many guys tune their RC engines. What is your AMA rights?????
If I were still VP I would pay them a visit and see how i was treated, if it were the same I would introduce myself and have a chat with the officers. As for forcing the club to do something, as someone said, clubs are autonomous but I would certainty let them know I would expect better public relations.
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#8
I'm disappointed to hear this, especially about a club in what was once my district.
If I were still VP I would pay them a visit and see how i was treated, if it were the same I would introduce myself and have a chat with the officers. As for forcing the club to do something, as someone said, clubs are autonomous but I would certainty let them know I would expect better public relations.
If I were still VP I would pay them a visit and see how i was treated, if it were the same I would introduce myself and have a chat with the officers. As for forcing the club to do something, as someone said, clubs are autonomous but I would certainty let them know I would expect better public relations.
Why in the world would anyone WANT to join AMA when this is how they're treated by other AMA members? My Dad and I went to a club in Fresno on a Saturday around noon. Easily 20 people there. In the hour we stood there, NOT ONE person even came up and said hello. No "Welcome." No "Are you interested in model airplanes?"
While AMA members can be one of the organization's strong points, it's clear that AMA members can also be one of the organization's weakest points.
#9
In this case , I really can't see where the AMA is at fault . The plain simple fact is that some folks are friendly and some are not . I can't imagine how loud the outcry would be if the AMA were to have some kind of "forced friendliness" edict , people should be friendly in all walks of life but there is no way your gonna force Oscar the grouch to be Mr. nice guy .
#10
AMA gave it shot in 2009
LEADER TO LEADER
Membership Drive Reaction
by Jim Rice, Chairman Leader Member Committee
As I write this, it is a week before Christmas and the final membership numbers for 2009 are fresh in my mind ... Depressing but still in my mind. We had a membership drive. A well-thought-out, but poorly executed drive. The leg work was done at the HQ level and the advertising was done in Model Aviation and by word of mouth via most of the District VPs. Yet at the grass roots level, where the newbie meets the member, it didn’t happen very well; seemingly no interest in the growth of the membership by the average modeler or club.
#11
If I recall we even had some kind of "sign three and you fly free" promotion where signing up three new members gets you your year's dues free . I haven't heard much about the success or failure of that program or even if it's still ongoing ?
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In this case , I really can't see where the AMA is at fault . The plain simple fact is that some folks are friendly and some are not . I can't imagine how loud the outcry would be if the AMA were to have some kind of "forced friendliness" edict , people should be friendly in all walks of life but there is no way your gonna force Oscar the grouch to be Mr. nice guy .
When your membership revenue is declining, an organization can ill afford to have these kinds of first impressions. Now, what they do about it? That's for the "pretty smart" folks on the EC to figure out.
#16
Call the AMA at (800) 435-9262 - 1-800-I-FLY-AMA
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PAUL J MEYERS, NEW FRANKEN WI
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BILLY J CLEMONS, SMYRNA TN
NICK S BARTER, WALLINGTON NJ
JOE SCHWALLER, MENIFEE CA
DENNIS D DELISLE, MILFORD NH
ERIC WILSON, COLUMBUS IN
JOHN A CURTIS, ROCKFORD IL
RICHARD C MCCASKILL, FREDERICK CO
ANTHONY KOSTANKO, VIRGINIA MN
THOMAS ANDERSEN, YODER CO
DAN K COMPTON, BATAVIA IL
SETH B STERLING, BOYNTON BEACH FL
TERRY FOOTE, CONROE TX
KENNETH KEHLET, OKLAHOMA CITY OK
VICTOR L TYBER, SAFETY HARBOR FL
CHARLES W MEREDITH JR, BOWLING GREEN KY
D SCOTT STRIMPLE, GLEN ALLEN VA
BLOIS L PROSSER, STATESBORO GA
FRED M BRIGGS IV, ASHBURN VA
STANLEY ZDON, COON RAPIDS MN
DAVID L ENGEL, MORROW OH
JOHN W MARTIN, FOUNTAIN INN SC
DANA D LAKEMAN, MESQUITE NV
ROBBY J SAWYER, KINGMAN AZ
PAUL J MEYERS, NEW FRANKEN WI
WILLIAM J ROZNIEWSKI, LONG BEACH CA
BILLY J CLEMONS, SMYRNA TN
NICK S BARTER, WALLINGTON NJ
JOE SCHWALLER, MENIFEE CA
DENNIS D DELISLE, MILFORD NH
ERIC WILSON, COLUMBUS IN
#19
My Feedback: (1)
Every AMA member should be actively attracting and advocating for new members.....not for a free membership, but because we love, are passionate about and believe in our hobby. Problem is, our leadership is making it hard for me to advocate to new folks to join. If the AMA leadership was actively engaged with, and brought value to being a member, they would not have to bribe folks to go sign new recruits, it would happen organically.
Another (early) sign of desperation, yet no major changes on how they operate.
SAD
Astro
Another (early) sign of desperation, yet no major changes on how they operate.
SAD
Astro
#20
My Feedback: (1)
Our field is privately owned and leased by the club. Access to the property is by membership and the public is welcome, but they have no "rights" as far as access is concerned. The club, and it's members have contractual rights of access, not the general public.
There are several flying fields around Kansas City that are on public ground, city parks, etc. The general public has complete access to the facilities as long as they comply with the safety rules, etc.
In the past, I have flown at closed fields that are by invitation only, and as the name indicates, are open only to invitees.
As to which case applies to the OP, there are not enough facts present to make an accurate determination. In any event, the AMA really has no jurisdiction in all cases as they don't own the land, and that is the real issue.
There are several flying fields around Kansas City that are on public ground, city parks, etc. The general public has complete access to the facilities as long as they comply with the safety rules, etc.
In the past, I have flown at closed fields that are by invitation only, and as the name indicates, are open only to invitees.
As to which case applies to the OP, there are not enough facts present to make an accurate determination. In any event, the AMA really has no jurisdiction in all cases as they don't own the land, and that is the real issue.
#21
Every AMA member should be actively attracting and advocating for new members.....not for a free membership, but because we love, are passionate about and believe in our hobby. Problem is, our leadership is making it hard for me to advocate to new folks to join. If the AMA leadership was actively engaged with, and brought value to being a member, they would not have to bribe folks to go sign new recruits, it would happen organically.
Another (early) sign of desperation, yet no major changes on how they operate.
SAD
Astro
Another (early) sign of desperation, yet no major changes on how they operate.
SAD
Astro
Another major point the EC is missing is this one: If people don't perceive value in the $75 fee, they won't spend it. Maybe the EC should figure out why people don't see AMA as worth the money?
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#23
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not on their Christmas card lists. But that doesn't mean the questions I'm asking about financial trends and their plans to correct them should be ignored. In a way, that's more troubling ... that they don't feel any accountability to members. Even Rich's proposal at the July 2017 EC meeting to hold the January EC meeting in Muncie instead of AMA West. What's the effect of that? It makes it less likely that members are there to participate. That proposal should concern folks.
#24
My Feedback: (1)
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not on their Christmas card lists. But that doesn't mean the questions I'm asking about financial trends and their plans to correct them should be ignored. In a way, that's more troubling ... that they don't feel any accountability to members. Even Rich's proposal at the July 2017 EC meeting to hold the January EC meeting in Muncie instead of AMA West. What's the effect of that? It makes it less likely that members are there to participate. That proposal should concern folks.
Astro
#25
My Feedback: (11)
I've been to the EC meeting at Expo.
1. Its probably cheaper to have it in Muncie vs flying everyone to the west coast. (which would in most cases make you happy)
2. It's held on Monday, there were very few if any external guests there, less than they had at meetings I attended in Muncie.
1. Its probably cheaper to have it in Muncie vs flying everyone to the west coast. (which would in most cases make you happy)
2. It's held on Monday, there were very few if any external guests there, less than they had at meetings I attended in Muncie.