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Old 11-11-2018, 04:03 PM
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Here is a suggestion for all clubs. Iíve been modeling since the late 40ís so an old timer. No cane or walker yet.

iI not only do models but Streetrods and big boats, I even shoot a little among other things.

The car guys have numerous clubs here in the twin cities. Many have open breakfasts where any car guy is welcome. In fact you can go to a car guy breakfast nearly every day of the week if you search them out. The clubs also have the standard monthly meetings. This seems to keep the general interest and the specific interests up. Besides these are really fun.

one breakfast place we eat at has other groups too, the motor cycle guys, the Boy Scouts, the snowmobile group, and several sports groups. In the winter like this the place is often packed.

i donít think I ever was a part of a modeler breakfast or meal group. It was always hard to get 1/2 the club members just to come to a monthly meeting.

So just a suggestion.
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Here is a suggestion for all clubs. I’ve been modeling since the late 40’s so an old timer. No cane or walker yet.

iI not only do models but Streetrods and big boats, I even shoot a little among other things.

The car guys have numerous clubs here in the twin cities. Many have open breakfasts where any car guy is welcome. In fact you can go to a car guy breakfast nearly every day of the week if you search them out. The clubs also have the standard monthly meetings. This seems to keep the general interest and the specific interests up. Besides these are really fun.

one breakfast place we eat at has other groups too, the motor cycle guys, the Boy Scouts, the snowmobile group, and several sports groups. In the winter like this the place is often packed.

i don’t think I ever was a part of a modeler breakfast or meal group. It was always hard to get 1/2 the club members just to come to a monthly meeting.

So just a suggestion.
Modelers are a individualistic group, IME. Just try to get one to listen to advice!

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Old 11-11-2018, 11:31 PM
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Modelers are a individualistic group, IME. Just try to get one to listen to advice!

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Ain't that the truth. We're also very opinionated. Ask ten people the same question and you'll get ten different answers
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Old 11-12-2018, 03:39 AM
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Yeah y’all are right about that.

Sat. at car breakfast there were 31 of us. All but a couple are retired. Most of the talk was medical...LOL. There are still a few of us that are “numbers matching” as we say for no aftermarket parts...knees, hips and installed pace makers. A few were getting ready to migrate to warmer climates.

We go on cruises with our Streetrods in the summer on the back roads. It’s really fun. I tried to get guys in a couple clubs I was in to travel to other club fields but had no luck. I guess I’m one of the few that like driving as much as flying. Sad to say I’m winding flying down due to aging. I still go to the bigger fly ins but I’m disappointed by spectator treatment. The flyers all sit in tight groups and it’s nearly impossible to chat with them. I always positioned my self so I could chat with spectators. I met a lot of really nice people and especially Vets since I flew warbirds.

Most of the car guys are pretty good about spectators. I used to show them around my cars and ofte let kids sit in my hotrod.
going to different clubs events and food events is fun just to compare notes. These are facing aging populations too. The new generation kids are into the electrical “ tuners” rather than “ wrenching” and restorations. I have a 1977 el Camino that’s been restored and an all original 1994 Buick Road master Estate Wagon for a daily driver. It’s a big car, plush and still gets 22-24 mpg. It’s big enough to haul a 94” Corsair and still get three guys comfortably in it. It’s a very under rated car.
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Unfortunately there are differences between your ad hock car show and a model flight line. Have you ever gone on "Cruises" with the Corsair? Or how about letting little Johnny sit in the cockpit?

With the cars you say "Here! Touch! Sit!" With the models you say "No! Don't Touch!". Makes a different impression. Especially on the little ones.

I agree clubs need to do things differently to draw in fresh blood. But what is also beyond me. I guess it remains to try a lot of different things and see what produces. And what works in one local may not work in any others.

At the same time all these different things take away from the members flying time. Which in turn will discourage members from either participating in the hobby all together or at least from trying anything related to bringing in new members. After all, when asked why do you do this hobby? Don't most people say build and fly models? Does anyone say bring in new members to the club?

Priorities needs to be examined and in some cases changed and re-ordered. Bringing in new members needs to be right up there with getting that new kit or test flying the latest one. And with most people I'm afraid it isn't even on the same page. Maybe not even in the same book.

But hey! Why do I do this? I enjoy the building. The problem solving. The knowledge gained about different aspect of flying and airplanes in general. I don't do it to educate anyone but myself. And maybe that's where the change of thought needs to take place? At least for a start.

The local RC hobby shop use to be the recruiting center all clubs depended on. But then the clubs had to jump on the mail order band wagon. It did after all cost less. Did it? Never realizing they were cutting their own throats. So tell me, how many new members has Tower or Horizon sent specifically your way?

The AMA from the individual up to Muncie could learn some lessons from the NRA when it comes to membership. Yes there are differences. But there are also a lot of lessons in the way the NRA does things.

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I don’t go to many car shows anymore, much preferring to go on cruises with the guys. I go to a couple car groups sponsored by local law enforcement groups. Also I attend an occasional military honorary shows.

let me tell about a model show where I met a very special WW2 vet.

i was flying my Ziroli Corsair decorated from pictures of the Bunker Hill aircraft carrier. A gentlemancame over and began chatting with me about the Corsair. He said he loved what I had done but the colors were incorrect. He said my particular model was one of his group that he was crew chief on on the carrier before it was sunk. We spent a lot of time and lunch together talking of how he survived.

i said if he would send me pictures of the plane and note colors I would repaint it in his honor. He was thrilled and a few days later I received a number of marked black and white pictures. So I completely repainted the plane with the correct colors and markings. Then sent him pictures. I also invited him to come with me to a huge airshow I was a featured flyer at so he could be me spotter and crewchief with my two young boys. He was thrilled.

we flew three rounds in front of about 25k spectators. On each round the announcer noted that he was the spotter and chief. The final round I landed as scale like carrier landing as I could then taxied past the spectators as the announcer called off the honors for him. The spectator response was like a New York ticker tape parade. The gentleman was in tears he was so happy. It was the most Memorial Day I had in the 13 years I flew the plane.

so while spectators couldn’t sit in the plane I did communicate freely with them.
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Originally Posted by Appowner View Post
Unfortunately there are differences between your ad hock car show and a model flight line. Have you ever gone on "Cruises" with the Corsair? Or how about letting little Johnny sit in the cockpit?

With the cars you say "Here! Touch! Sit!" With the models you say "No! Don't Touch!". Makes a different impression. Especially on the little ones.

I agree clubs need to do things differently to draw in fresh blood. But what is also beyond me. I guess it remains to try a lot of different things and see what produces. And what works in one local may not work in any others.

At the same time all these different things take away from the members flying time. Which in turn will discourage members from either participating in the hobby all together or at least from trying anything related to bringing in new members. After all, when asked why do you do this hobby? Don't most people say build and fly models? Does anyone say bring in new members to the club?

Priorities needs to be examined and in some cases changed and re-ordered. Bringing in new members needs to be right up there with getting that new kit or test flying the latest one. And with most people I'm afraid it isn't even on the same page. Maybe not even in the same book.

But hey! Why do I do this? I enjoy the building. The problem solving. The knowledge gained about different aspect of flying and airplanes in general. I don't do it to educate anyone but myself. And maybe that's where the change of thought needs to take place? At least for a start.

The local RC hobby shop use to be the recruiting center all clubs depended on. But then the clubs had to jump on the mail order band wagon. It did after all cost less. Did it? Never realizing they were cutting their own throats. So tell me, how many new members has Tower or Horizon sent specifically your way?

The AMA from the individual up to Muncie could learn some lessons from the NRA when it comes to membership. Yes there are differences. But there are also a lot of lessons in the way the NRA does things.
Amen to all of the above.
What is seldom if ever said is the fact that bringing new blood means that someone has to bear the responsibility of providing the hands-on aspect, and on a regular basis, namely flight promotion/instruction.There then lies the rub.
I don't think there is anyone who actually looks forward to and enjoys sweating bullets teaching, to make a meaningful impact, it would have to be an endless influx of newcomers to the hobby.
I'm really not crazy about teaching, even though it is so easy for me, but I realize that it is something that is absolutely necessary to help secure our hobby's future.
So much so I am literally on call during the flying season. One does not need anything to fly but to come out to the field and take my tx, whether they can afford the hobby or not. I don't wait for people to come to me, instead I strongly insist that anyone take the tx for a few minutes. At least they will have the skill to fly if they ever can afford it.

The trick is to make everyone's first flying experience a pleasant one. In other words, like any business, provide excellent customer service. I fully realize some feel it's not their place to provide excellent customer service since clubs are not a business. You would be surprised of just how many at first either swear they have no interest or just out of fear refuse to give it a try. But after they finally take the opportunity, they quickly become "interested" and spend 20 minutes flying my trainer. After that, they are very much hooked. lol

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Originally Posted by bentwings View Post
I donít go to many car shows anymore, much preferring to go on cruises with the guys. I go to a couple car groups sponsored by local law enforcement groups. Also I attend an occasional military honorary shows.

let me tell about a model show where I met a very special WW2 vet.

i was flying my Ziroli Corsair decorated from pictures of the Bunker Hill aircraft carrier. A gentlemancame over and began chatting with me about the Corsair. He said he loved what I had done but the colors were incorrect. He said my particular model was one of his group that he was crew chief on on the carrier before it was sunk. We spent a lot of time and lunch together talking of how he survived.

i said if he would send me pictures of the plane and note colors I would repaint it in his honor. He was thrilled and a few days later I received a number of marked black and white pictures. So I completely repainted the plane with the correct colors and markings. Then sent him pictures. I also invited him to come with me to a huge airshow I was a featured flyer at so he could be me spotter and crewchief with my two young boys. He was thrilled.

we flew three rounds in front of about 25k spectators. On each round the announcer noted that he was the spotter and chief. The final round I landed as scale like carrier landing as I could then taxied past the spectators as the announcer called off the honors for him. The spectator response was like a New York ticker tape parade. The gentleman was in tears he was so happy. It was the most Memorial Day I had in the 13 years I flew the plane.

so while spectators couldnít sit in the plane I did communicate freely with them.
Nice story. I have a few myself. And while they may have helped "spread the word" so to speak, none of them in my experience have brought in new members. And that's what this is all about.

But, and I'm not trying to incite anything, tick you off or anything like that. Your post sounds more like a list of excuses to me. Sort of like you're really saying, "But, but, but, I tried!" No offense intended. Just the way I read it.
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Originally Posted by bentwings View Post
let me tell about a model show where I met a very special WW2 vet.
i was flying my Ziroli Corsair decorated from pictures of the Bunker Hill aircraft carrier. A gentlemancame over and began chatting with me about the Corsair. He said he loved what I had done but the colors were incorrect. He said my particular model was one of his group that he was crew chief on on the carrier before it was sunk. We spent a lot of time and lunch together talking of how he survived.
There is one issue with your story. If he actually was on the USS Bunker Hill(CV-17), he was on a ship that wasn't sunk at all but, rather was scrapped in 1973. In fact, no Essex class carrier was ever sunk in combat though some were damaged, the Bunker Hill and Franklin being the worst hit, damaged to the point they never were operationally used again. The only carrier that was sunk, other than CVE's, after the Solomon campaign was the Independence class light carrier USS Princeton. The Princeton was hit by a kamikaze with armed aircraft ready to launch on the flight deck. The resulting fire and exploding ordinance doomed the ship, resulting in the ship being torpedoed and sunk by escorting destroyers.

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I don't think there is anyone who actually looks forward to and enjoys sweating bullets teaching, ......................................l
Actually, there was a time when I did enjoy it. But even then I eventually burned out. Today I do a little in the neighborhood. Kids mostly. They learn fast so actual instruction time is minimal. Got one 12 year old girl who flies rings around the boys and most adults. Actually a joy to watch her fly. She builds better than most too. Now she's bugging her father to get her full size lessons.
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Actually, there was a time when I did enjoy it. But even then I eventually burned out. Today I do a little in the neighborhood. Kids mostly. They learn fast so actual instruction time is minimal. Got one 12 year old girl who flies rings around the boys and most adults. Actually a joy to watch her fly. She builds better than most too. Now she's bugging her father to get her full size lessons.
There was a time I also enjoyed teaching, but it seemed that the other instructors in every club I belonged to would sit on their thumbs when beginners would show up and not be all that interested in helping them. That is until the old hands would wait until I got the newbies flying pretty well, although not quite ready to solo, that is when the other instructors would take over. They would then take credit for the success if the student finally did solo, but if the newbie crashed, they would say the student's original instructor didn't do a very good job.
It happened much too often to be a coincidence. That is when I burned out.
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Originally Posted by bentwings View Post
Here is a suggestion for all clubs. Iíve been modeling since the late 40ís so an old timer. No cane or walker yet.

iI not only do models but Streetrods and big boats, I even shoot a little among other things.

The car guys have numerous clubs here in the twin cities. Many have open breakfasts where any car guy is welcome. In fact you can go to a car guy breakfast nearly every day of the week if you search them out. The clubs also have the standard monthly meetings. This seems to keep the general interest and the specific interests up. Besides these are really fun.

one breakfast place we eat at has other groups too, the motor cycle guys, the Boy Scouts, the snowmobile group, and several sports groups. In the winter like this the place is often packed.

i donít think I ever was a part of a modeler breakfast or meal group. It was always hard to get 1/2 the club members just to come to a monthly meeting.

So just a suggestion.
FYI - the Anoka club has exactly that kind of weekly breakfast, give one of their board members a call for details. St. Paul used to, but it kind of dissipated when a couple of the key attendees fell victim to the march of time...
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