Appowner

Go for it Speedy! Report yourself! Put it on Youtube if you're so sure.

I do hope your job doesn't include a security clearance. Could be bad if it did and you so foolishly reported yourself to the FAA.

franklin_m

No kidding. Entire security clearance process is based on doing the right thing (i.e. following the rules) even when nobody is looking. Clearance agencies would take a dim view of someone who knew the Federal rules for flying sUAS and then knowingly broke them.

I yanked a guy's clearance for using his government credit card for reserving a hotel room for personal travel. Rules are explicit "OFFICIAL USE ONLY." Just like the law is explict: remain at or below 400 feet in Class G.

BarracudaHockey

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Actually the FAA won't do squat if you report a video, they even tell you that when you ginny up the report.

Appowner

Then he should have nothing to worry about. Should he?

Now it seems it's a simple matter of courage.

Appowner

Had a guy go in for a lifestyle. A relatively minor event came up from his youth. One he had long ago dismissed and forgotten. But it busted the poly for him and they yanked the rest of his clearances as a result. Suddenly he was unemployed. And all his connections, being in the IC, were also suddenly useless.

Had a female who checked her kids school work, sports schedules, etc from work. And a little on line shopping on the side. Lost her clearance and her job. Convicted of fraud and they stopped adding it up when they figured she owed the government 300,000 in unearned wages. And they ran her husband through a fresh poly. And the company she worked for? Lost the next extension on the contract and the subsequent re-compete. Impacted some 400 employees.

speedracerntrixie

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Appowner

You made the claim of being able to do it. So again, post it yourself on Youtube. As you said, time to put up or shut up!

init4fun

I don't want to have to explain this again , but it appears I'm gonna have to . To the FAA , the term "Advisory Circular" does NOT imply that compliance is up to the decision of the pilot ! The FAA considers A/Cs as well as A/Ds (Airworthiness Directives) to be their official publication of how aviation is to be practiced in the skies it controls . Now , because 91-57 was written in a time when all pilots were still considered "a cut above" , it was written in a gentlemanly tone using words like "should" instead of having to resort to words like the far more direct "you will" , which appears to be what's needed and is in fact being employed in today's FAA communications . There will be no parsing of words with relation to things like "Fly at or below 400 feet when in uncontrolled (class G) airspace" , it says what it says and I don't see any loopholes .

PS , make NO mistake of thinking that I'm advocating for or are happy with a blanket 400 foot limit , I do not believe an absolute 400 foot limit is needed . Are there some areas where there should be altitude restrictions ? Sure there are , but there are also areas where RC flight over 400 feet should be able to be done safely enough that it should be allowed .

franklin_m

Amazing how specific language, that's actually part of LAW, isn't clear to some.

Stickslammer

I think the vast majority of pilots can be considered "a cut above", but unfortunately there are quite a few exceptions. I used to love hearing "war stories" from a forest ranger pilot who came across some of these types. Like the guy who just got his helicopter license and landed his Robinson in the parking lot of an upscale restaurant to impress his girlfriend. Many customers and the FAA were none too impressed about the sandblasted cars and breach of safety.

Propworn

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All you armchair experts make me laugh. Being Canadian and not part of the AMA I needed clarification so around 1 pm I sent an email to the AMA..

From: Prop Worn
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 12:59 PM
To: Ilona Maine
Subject: 400 ft altitude restriction
My name is Dennis Pratt MAAC 52272-L and in the past when I have visited there were no concerns about flying in access of 400 ft. Does this restriction now apply to AMA fields? If so it will change what I may bring to fly when visiting this winter.
Dennis Pratt

Received an answer the same day

Angie Martin <[email protected]>
Wed 2019-01-02, 6:49 PM
You;
Ilona Maine;
Lois Mock;
Lisa Johnson
The FAA does not intend to ground our operations that go over 400’, as long as they are done safely and in accordance with our safety guidelines. At this time, direction from the FAA website confirms you should continue to follow current guidelines and I have attached the letter the FAA sent to us in 2016, allowing flights over 400’ under the criteria of Section 336. I’ve also included a link below to a video discussing the FAA Authorization Act of 2018.
Feel free to call back with any questions or concerns.
https://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...rization-bill/

Sincerely,
Angie Martin

Government Affairs and Public Relations Assistant

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franklin_m

I guessed I missed it. In which branch of the US Federal Government does the AMA reside? Oh that's right. They don't. However, the FAA does. And they're empowered to enforce the law with respect to aviation in the US. And they've said:

speedracerntrixie

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franklin_m

I'm saying that they have NO authority to interpret the laws or FAA rules. The FAA does. And the FAA has said, quite clearly in plain language, that to be recreational you have to stay below 400 feet in Class G.

AMA has a financial incentive to keep up the charade that they have influence - decade plus of declining membership and all....

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Propworn

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We have something similar in Canada an overall general rule for all hobby flyers with specifics relating to distance from airports and altitude restrictions. However Transport Canada recognizes MAAC as the CBO and due to our rules and safety record we have a carve out that allows us to fly as we always have. Those not belonging or flying at a MAAC sanctioned field have to follow the general rules. From the letter and the interview it appears to be quite similar to the carve out we have in effect. There was a link to the letter from the FAA but it didn't copy over its on the AMA web site.

We have clubs right next to small airports and some on the end of a unused taxi way. I even think there are 4 or 5 clubs right on an Air Force base using a decommissioned taxi way or runway. These are also carved out from the general rules.

Hey for all I care let ol Franky fly around under 400 ft gnashing his teeth while the rest fly as they have been doing at AMA fields for years or until the AMA says differently. Poor boy is beginning to sound like a two stroke motorcycle NAG NAG NAG bi#ch bi#ch bi#ch LOL.

Dennis

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The moderator has already once politely asked for restraint and decorum in these conversations , are you two THAT desperate for an internet dustup that the moderator's reasonable request means nothing to you ? Once you stop discussing the subject at hand and begin with the personal insults/taunts it becomes plainly obvious that you've lost the point of the discussion and are lashing out in an attempt to save face .

Now , once I see an FAA document dated AFTER the 2018 FAA reorganization act that says certain model aircraft operations are allowed over 400 feet , I'll take that as proof that it's allowed . Can anyone here point out where in the FAA's present hobby drone registration program the permission to fly over 400 feet is granted ? Because search it as I did , I found nothing mentioning 400 feet except for the simple sentence ;

"Fly at or below 400 feet when in unrestricted (class G) airspace"

Appowner

Here! Here!

Appowner

Wouldn't be the first time!

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I think the AMA is trying for something like this for the usa but has not been able to officially, it is possible that someone at the FAA has eluded to going along with something Canada has but only unofficially. I think the
AMA needs to be straight up on what is really the facts but I dont think flying over 400' will be a big deal in most cases unless you do something to draw attention to yourself.

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