AMA EC Financial Performance
08-12-2023, 01:49 PM
#76
Senior Member
08-12-2023, 02:30 PM
#77
I have to wonder what the motivating factor that drives Franky. I don't know about the rest of you but if I offer my expertise pro bono and am told basically thanks but no, thanks. That would be the end of it and I would move on. Where does this undying need for the leadership at the AMA to prostrate themselves at the feet of Franky? He claims he does it for the benefit of as he puts it the unwashed masses. What is the definition (his) of the unwashed masses. Anyone heard a clambering for a champion? Anyone? All everyone needs is a self-appointed prophet/saviour. He's burned so many bridges he cannot be that dull that the chances of him attaining a position within the AMA is less than zero. So just what is his end game? Could it be to cause as much disruption as possible in retaliation from some perceived slight?
This from an EC member Franky proposed a discount for service personnel. Voted on and passed. In the work up the AMA wanted credit for supporting the troops with that discount. They were informed it didn't meet the criteria for formal recognition. The two parties could not come to an agreement and the discount never materialized.
From the same EC member Franky wanted support for a club on a military base that only military personnel would have access too. He was informed that the AMA did not fund private clubs.
He starts his program to discredit the leadership of the AMA. How many years now has he raged at the wall?
Then he attempts to take the high road saying he volunteers his expertise to right all the wrongs of the present and past administration. Any wonder he was turned down flat? Then he's acting on behalf of the unwashed masses. Exactly who are these unwashed masses? Do they know he considers them unwashed masses? Did any of them ask for his help? Do they know he's causing all this horse pucky in their name?
In my opinion his actions are simply vindictive in nature against an organization he perceives as weeing in his oatmeal.
Remember the charts and graphs were designed by him, hardly an unbiased source. There is an old saying that goes something like this: Figures lie and liars figure.
This from an EC member Franky proposed a discount for service personnel. Voted on and passed. In the work up the AMA wanted credit for supporting the troops with that discount. They were informed it didn't meet the criteria for formal recognition. The two parties could not come to an agreement and the discount never materialized.
From the same EC member Franky wanted support for a club on a military base that only military personnel would have access too. He was informed that the AMA did not fund private clubs.
He starts his program to discredit the leadership of the AMA. How many years now has he raged at the wall?
Then he attempts to take the high road saying he volunteers his expertise to right all the wrongs of the present and past administration. Any wonder he was turned down flat? Then he's acting on behalf of the unwashed masses. Exactly who are these unwashed masses? Do they know he considers them unwashed masses? Did any of them ask for his help? Do they know he's causing all this horse pucky in their name?
In my opinion his actions are simply vindictive in nature against an organization he perceives as weeing in his oatmeal.
Remember the charts and graphs were designed by him, hardly an unbiased source. There is an old saying that goes something like this: Figures lie and liars figure.
08-12-2023, 03:39 PM
#79
I have to wonder what the motivating factor that drives Franky. I don't know about the rest of you but if I offer my expertise pro bono and am told basically thanks but no, thanks. That would be the end of it and I would move on. Where does this undying need for the leadership at the AMA to prostrate themselves at the feet of Franky? He claims he does it for the benefit of as he puts it the unwashed masses. What is the definition (his) of the unwashed masses. Anyone heard a clambering for a champion? Anyone? All everyone needs is a self-appointed prophet/saviour. He's burned so many bridges he cannot be that dull that the chances of him attaining a position within the AMA is less than zero. So just what is his end game? Could it be to cause as much disruption as possible in retaliation from some perceived slight?
This from an EC member Franky proposed a discount for service personnel. Voted on and passed. In the work up the AMA wanted credit for supporting the troops with that discount. They were informed it didn't meet the criteria for formal recognition. The two parties could not come to an agreement and the discount never materialized.
From the same EC member Franky wanted support for a club on a military base that only military personnel would have access too. He was informed that the AMA did not fund private clubs.
He starts his program to discredit the leadership of the AMA. How many years now has he raged at the wall?
Then he attempts to take the high road saying he volunteers his expertise to right all the wrongs of the present and past administration. Any wonder he was turned down flat? Then he's acting on behalf of the unwashed masses. Exactly who are these unwashed masses? Do they know he considers them unwashed masses? Did any of them ask for his help? Do they know he's causing all this horse pucky in their name?
In my opinion his actions are simply vindictive in nature against an organization he perceives as weeing in his oatmeal.
Remember the charts and graphs were designed by him, hardly an unbiased source. There is an old saying that goes something like this: Figures lie and liars figure.
This from an EC member Franky proposed a discount for service personnel. Voted on and passed. In the work up the AMA wanted credit for supporting the troops with that discount. They were informed it didn't meet the criteria for formal recognition. The two parties could not come to an agreement and the discount never materialized.
From the same EC member Franky wanted support for a club on a military base that only military personnel would have access too. He was informed that the AMA did not fund private clubs.
He starts his program to discredit the leadership of the AMA. How many years now has he raged at the wall?
Then he attempts to take the high road saying he volunteers his expertise to right all the wrongs of the present and past administration. Any wonder he was turned down flat? Then he's acting on behalf of the unwashed masses. Exactly who are these unwashed masses? Do they know he considers them unwashed masses? Did any of them ask for his help? Do they know he's causing all this horse pucky in their name?
In my opinion his actions are simply vindictive in nature against an organization he perceives as weeing in his oatmeal.
Remember the charts and graphs were designed by him, hardly an unbiased source. There is an old saying that goes something like this: Figures lie and liars figure.
08-12-2023, 06:59 PM
#81
Thread Starter
Interesting that nobody refuted any of the trends, the underlying numbers, or the conclusions about the future of the AMA. Instead, the same cadre resorts to personal attacks. Reminds me of a quote from Socrates:
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
08-12-2023, 07:03 PM
#82
Thread Starter
So what about them is incorrect? I've cited the form, the schedules, the line numbers, and the methods.You have all the data available to you, heck I even posted the AMA's actual IRS forms they filed in the other thread. So you have everything you need to prove me wrong if indeed my "Figures lie..."
08-12-2023, 07:48 PM
#83
No one cares what horse pucky you come up with. Except for the handfull of wing men on here and how many are actually AMA members. Good grief take it as a sign when you get punted from other forums and not one member of the site objects to you leaving. Does don't let the door hit you on the backside sound familiar? Is this the only forum that tolerates you?
08-12-2023, 07:56 PM
#84
Senior Member
The only purpose of DIY Slime Candy is to gawk at an oddity. That's franklin. He's found his niche portraying the hobby as miserable as he can, Obviously people are going to respond. It's to keep his name out there, for whatever that's worth. That's about it.
There are plenty of things to criticize AMA over, but the hobby is in decline mainly because of the demographic. Kind of hard to tell in speedracerntrixie's photos but it looks like all gray-hairs.
There are plenty of things to criticize AMA over, but the hobby is in decline mainly because of the demographic. Kind of hard to tell in speedracerntrixie's photos but it looks like all gray-hairs.
08-13-2023, 02:58 AM
#85
Take our hobby what are the chances your freinds would show interest when there is so many easier ways to have fun today with instant access and instant gratification.
A youngster getting into the hobby today:
Building, assembling, getting a model ready to fly is a solo endeavor your peers are doing other fun things. Are you being left behind?
I've heard kids including mine say its dads hobby not mine. Yes both my boys tried it and had no interest.
Interest in the opposite sex.
Finding a place to enjoy the hobby be it a field or club.
The learning curve to fly successfully. One only needs to put an rc car on the ground or climb on a atv or dirt bike and you most certainly will enjoy being with your peers as well.
There is a whole new world competing for the recreational dollar its no wonder there is a decline in traditional hobbies. Its not just youngsters its prevalent in adults as well. Ever notice when times are good and there is extra funds the big toys like boats, bikes and rvs get a lot of use. Most have limited free time so hobbies like ours may move to the back burner. When times get tough the big toys may get put on hold and for a few bucks you can dig out the rc planes and go have fun.
So many variables affect the growth and decline of our hobby it's a fools game attempting to blame any one organization for a decline.
08-13-2023, 05:21 AM
#86
The only purpose of DIY Slime Candy is to gawk at an oddity. That's franklin. He's found his niche portraying the hobby as miserable as he can, Obviously people are going to respond. It's to keep his name out there, for whatever that's worth. That's about it.
There are plenty of things to criticize AMA over, but the hobby is in decline mainly because of the demographic. Kind of hard to tell in speedracerntrixie's photos but it looks like all gray-hairs.
There are plenty of things to criticize AMA over, but the hobby is in decline mainly because of the demographic. Kind of hard to tell in speedracerntrixie's photos but it looks like all gray-hairs.
Last edited by speedracerntrixie; 08-13-2023 at 09:00 AM.
08-13-2023, 11:12 AM
#87
Maybe they understand that the hobby is in decline, and that very little of it is under the control of AMA.
R_Strowe
08-13-2023, 11:14 AM
#88
Regarding the demographic, you are of course mostly correct. I regret that I didn’t take more pictures, but I was very happy to see some families out there and we did have some very talented pilots under 30. At noon there was a freestyle contest that was very entertaining that had 6 entries, all under 40.
Astro
08-13-2023, 11:44 AM
#90
Good to know that clubs are embracing freestyle now. A few years back, the FOGS did whatever they could to outright ban that kind of flying, even though it was the obvious draw for the younger generation of modelers. I guess it only took a decade or so for them to realize that doing candy drops from a Kadet wasn’t going to capture the attention of the next generation…….
Astro
Astro
08-14-2023, 12:28 PM
#97
anybody else wonder why it has been 5 months since anyone posted in the MAAC forum on this site, and yet the pale northerners keep on posting in the AMA section?
have they not proven how well they can screw up things at home, that they now want to do the same here where we live?
have they not proven how well they can screw up things at home, that they now want to do the same here where we live?
Last edited by mongo; 08-14-2023 at 06:28 PM. Reason: fat finger typo
08-14-2023, 12:41 PM
#98
Senior Member
Regarding the demographic, you are of course mostly correct. I regret that I didn’t take more pictures, but I was very happy to see some families out there and we did have some very talented pilots under 30. At noon there was a freestyle contest that was very entertaining that had 6 entries, all under 40.