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Old 04-06-2005, 03:01 PM
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there is a debate among some club members as to the builders rule for scale competition. EXAMPLE: if you buy a premanufactured cowl and make a mold of it and lay the fiberglass yourself is it considerd "self built"? personally I think its cheating, but thats just my opinion.
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self designed, no. self built, yes.
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that I understand, but as far as points in contest is the part considerd as home built?
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ORIGINAL: goatboy

that I understand, but as far as points in contest is the part considerd as home built?
Builder of the Model rule for AMA Scale is simply:

>>>>>>>>"There shall be no team entries. The Contest Director
will make every reasonable effort to assure himself
that each flier has completely constructed the
model(s) he uses in competition, including the covering,
where used, with construct to be interpreted as
the action required to complete a model with no more
prefabrication than the usual kit. Kits containing a
large amount of prefabrication are permissible as
long as the final assembly of the parts and covering
and/or painting are done by the builder. Models
which are completely prefabricated and require only
a few minutes of unskilled effort for their completion
shall be excluded from competition.<<<<<<<<<<'

"Home Built" is not a part of points awarded. Actually, IMO, one could use an ARF if one repainted it. Note "...final assembly of the parts and covering and/or painting are done by the builder."

May I suggest if you wish to enter into contest rules' discussions, you first read those rules as posted on the AMA web site. Don't forget the AMA General section and the General section for the event or group as in the case for scale.

In competition, I found that KNOWING the event rules in detail was more important than the flying (joking -- really) however the rules not only tell you that which you MUST DO, but it tells you all the things you CAN do simply by NOT restricting you from doing these things. In addition, knowing the rules also prepares you to protest illegal actions which some entrants will attempt and far too many ill-prepared CDs don't catch. A good rule for winning is to eliminate your competition. [>:]
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thanks HOSSFLY for the clarification, i read the rules once before and thought that there was more points awarded if the plane was scratch built vs. kit built or that you had to declare which was prefab vs. scratch built. I used the word homebuilt and that was a bad choice of wording. from what it sounds like is that to do as the question asked is okay? you are right though, if you know the rules it can make a difference between winning or walking away scratching your head wondering if you just gave away first place because the judge didnt understand the rules themselves. I am going to print acopy of the rules and learn them inside out. do you compete in scale? from the looks of the trophy museum room pic you seem quite busy!!
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There was a time period when such a rule existed that required a list of items that the builder manufactured himself. It no longer exists in AMA Scale.
There are also the various scale events such as Top Gun, Scale Masters and a couple others plus FAI. Right now I have no clue as to their specific rules. The last AMA Scale event in which I participated, about 1997, the CD was so mixed up between AMA and Scale Masters that he also had the judges well confused. FUNNY! I've heard that he still is.
I am NOT an active competitor in AMA events anymore. Most of my RC competition was in Pylon back in the late '70s and early '80s. In the early '90s I went out to Phoenix for Scale Warbird racing for a number of years. I do Fun-Flys now and then and special events locally. Nothing serious. Serious was in my CL and FF days in the '60s. That was REAL SERIOUS.

Best of luck with your endeavor to compete. Leave some "How goes its" every so often. Competition is tough yet very rewarding. It was the only WORK that I ever really liked.
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