henryhighwood

To those that would place restrictions on younger pilots based solely on their age, regardless of their abilities, please keep in mind that a 16 year old can legally operate a full scale powered aircraft, fixed wing or rotorcraft, solo. A 14 year old can legally operate a full scale glider, solo.

mathyoo

Thats why I asked for clarification, Im sure you know exactly what I mean with that though.

abel_pranger

Doggone it, Ryan-

I have to reconsider my position on this issue, now that you've brought miners into it. In the mines I've been in, there isn't a heckuva lotta room to dodge an out of control model airplane. OK then, so I submit there should be club rules that prohibit the flying of turbine-powered models in mines by minor miners, when no adult miners are present to supervise.

Abel

Flyfalcons

I'll be sure to forward that to Dave Brown. Adding that to the safety code should help keep property insurance for commercial mines low.

Hossfly

So the title of his thread was different from his question! Maybe he's a news-reporter. Ever read the newspapers? Headlines and text content are all too frequently different subjects all together.

His text had ONE question. His attention step headline was of no significance. However excuse me zx..., I remember that you are of the liberal persuasion, so rhetoric dribble is your forte.

onlyb

OH, didn't understand -miners. Doesn't the Mine Safety Administration have rules about that? And what do the unions have to say about it???? Could we end up with a wildcat strike over this (or would that be a Thunder Cat strike?????)

abel_pranger

Ahhh....Yassir!...........dat ol' libril tatooin' sho nuff dun put 'im in hiz ritefil plase. Gud on y'all, Horste - dat'l send 'em awuf tale 'tween hiz skrawny legs ever time yer losin' fer shur an aw'mest dun give up da goest.

50%plane

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Idiot republicans. Why don't you go back and read your post complaining about liberals and try to see how you are any different. Besides, what do Democrats(90% ultra scumbag) and Republicans(80% idiot pig-faced two-tonguers) have to do with minors(and miners) flying alone at a flying field? Hossfly, why don't you try taking a break from Rush Limbaugh and most of Sean Hannity for just a week.

If you look back through this thread you will reallize that this question wasn't the one that needed to be asked, so this thread evolved into what needed to be asked.


Woops

papermache

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OK guys, let's answer the question and not let the thread degenerate into something stupid.(might already be too late for that)

Niether of my clubs has a rule against flying alone. One may have some rule about minors, but I don't pay attention to rules that don't apply to me.

I'll put this one on the table: I'd rather have ONE 14 year old flying alone than five of them trying to fly unsupervised. THAT'S a recipe for disaster.

papermache

SSRCCPREZ

DAMN IT GUYS!!!!


Even a simple thread like this has degenerated into name calling and sophomoric verbal diahrea.
Seriously we all truly need to be ashamed of ourselves here. If we were all sitting around a table, is this how we would act?or talk?
I hope to GOD not. MAybe the AMA ignores us and feels like they have to safety rule us to death because when they read threads like this we look like idiots!!!!
This is the first time I have been this disgusted with a thread. We left topic by the fifth post!!!!

3dbob37n

Gee whiz, Massachesetts, you let yourself fall into the trap too!
Why pick on AMA? Their rules are very few and very reasonable. You forget that AMA is YOU. You made it what it is, not some mysterious father figure somewhere up in the great sky.
The original question was whether or not someone under 18 needs to be supervised while flying. I don't recall anything in his question about flying alone.
If we are going to continue this round table discussion, lets get back on the track.

How about some of you showing some leadership in this forum.


3dbob

littlecrankshaf

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But... R/C is dangerous...probably the most dangerous activity ever! We need more rules to ensure people cannot hurt themselves since any accident would cause the immediate demise of the hobby!!!

We should also support rules that limit flying due to old age also. That is even a worse proplem!

SSRCCPREZ

I cannot believe you are even serious with that post.

I have absolutely no comment...........I am in shock of the lack of intelect that post has

littlecrankshaf

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Yea!!me too! Whats wrong with that guy?

Wait a minute there pardner...you trying to start sompin?

Jim Branaum

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I thought it was a witty sarcasm and am astounded that you seem to have felt otherwise.

BTW, use the spall chucker...

Flyfalcons

Try decaf next time. Actually, try Bud Select, for the price I think it's pretty good. Not as good as Alaskan Amber though. As far as topics in the AMA forum goes, this one is surprisingly civil and on topic.

3dbob37n

I'm outta here. This discussion has turned into a Keystone Kops affair.


3dbob

50%plane

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Try using the spell checker yourself.


Woops

Roby

Consider this:

Flying alone actually might be the safer way to go .

I've flown hundreds of times alone and not once did
I ever have to concern myself about anyone else or
what they were or were not doing.

When you fly alone there are :
No frequency problems,all the channels are open
No BS
No egos


And............if you crash .........no one knows .

Roby

Jim Branaum

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Get yourself a rag and wipe the blood from your cheek. The blood from where the hook came through...

"spall chucker" is the way the guy who uses the confuser writes it...

abel_pranger

Roby-

The numbers seem to support your hypothesis. AMA membership is split about 50-50 between club and non-club members. It seems safe to presume that non-club members are more likely to be flying alone. Yet most of the insurance claims come from the club members. Hmmmmmmmm.............
Maybe it should not be surprising. The club environment is more likely to be "target rich" than places where loners tend to fly.

Abel

Flyfalcons

Good call. We're talking RC here, and fun and RC don't go together very well.

J_R

Hi Abel

Not sure if this is nit picking or not. Half the dollar amount of claims are generated by clubs, not club members. The case where a wind sock pole fell during prolonged construction and crushed a child being an example. The case was against the club for negligence, probably taking club officers as well. I have never seen anything that leads me to believe that individual club members generate more claims than non-club members, or vice versa relative to flying accidents.

Now, to be honest, I know only a few non-club members. All fall into one of two categories. Either they are members so they can compete in sanctioned events, or they are not really active in flying and maintain membership just because. I am sure there are others, I just don't know them.

JR

abel_pranger

Could be right about half of the insurance payout is for liability incurred by clubs vs. club members. Info from a trusted source is hard to come by. Anyway, if that is the case, clubs pay half of the cost of AMA insurance, right?
As for non-club members being less active in flying than club members, I doubt it. Most members are in AMA for the insurance. I don't have any reason to think that non-club members are a significantly different population from club members in this regard, except that they buy it voluntarily. They aren't buying it because it is a condition for club membership, so why else?

Abel

J_R

Abel,

I hope most of your post is tongue in cheek. I know you know better.

Clubs pay between $60 and $80 a year for insurance. That is opposed to individual AMA memberships, whether also club members, or not. We know, from past discussions, that all AMA members pay approximately $22 per year of their dues for insurance (2003 numbers which are getting stale), which, in part, subsidizes club insurance costs. The basic numbers I quoted come from the President’s column over the years, along with .pdf docs on the AMA site that are still there.

I can’t tell you what percentage, but, from posts in this forum, discussions at the club, and other venues where AMA members meet, a substantial percentage of the AMA membership do, indeed, purchase their memberships only as a condition of membership in AMA chartered clubs.

JR