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Old 09-21-2007, 02:44 PM
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I've heard of getting banned for posting wrong,
but should AMA district forums kick AMA members that dont post at all?

Rumor going around in my PMs is this guy:
is current AMA member
is in the district concerned
has had access to the district forums
has not posted anything in those district forums
and has had his access revoked.

now, it is a Yahoo forum that is linked from the District MCLXVI website
(yes, I am not mentioning names of guys or even districts to keep this impartial.)
and at that forum:
The list will be unmoderated, members may post freely.
Membership is open to all AMA members. Please provide real name and AMA number when subscribing.
Rumor is the DVP says they have no control over the forum to help the revokee.

Should AMA have DVPs hold oversite of what happens on their district websights,
to include what is in essence the district official forum
(not claimed, but only one linked at the homepage of the district.)
or to have disclaimer that such uncontrolled forums are not Official District activity.


<if the rumors I am getting are untrue, please post the truth to clear the good name of the unamed district....
...um, we have had problems with this recently, so I'll make this eye catching
and try to keep the mystery of the involved parties intact,
this aint a fingerpointing fest / witchhunt / lynchmob>


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Old 09-22-2007, 02:59 PM
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this aint a fingerpointing fest / witchhunt / lynchmob
Then what's yer point, Kid?

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should the DVPs have oversight of their web presense,
or just be powerless under random folks that do stuff on the internet using that AMA District name?

Cause I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a call from some lawyers if I register www.mopar.tv or www.chevrolet.info and say how Fords are the best vehicles hands down, or how folks of one ethnicity are all have some trait.

Unofficial fan sites are one thing, but the DVP should keep an eye on things he has going on on the web... like fostering discrimination and such. The RCU AMA forum makes no pretense of being some kind of THE Forum for AMA, whereas a district forum as the only one linked from the district webpage has that kind implied.... firmly in the description too.
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Maybe we should just start tazering folks who say things we don't like. After all that's what it has come to. The powers that be in any organisation of gov. just want us to be sheep an do what we are told and never question anything. Ask the wrong question and the black booted thugs show up with tazers.
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What is the basis for this thread? Is it a rumor, or is it in fact, something that has happened? What is your point?

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For those who care to read the truth here tis...
I am the webmaster for Dist. V. I received an inquiry from a Curtis Scofield wanting to know why he has been banned from the website.

I returned his email and told him NO ONE has been banned from the website. He then admiitted he had been banned from a forum on Yahoo. I reported back to him that the Dist. V webmaster has no control over a forum on Yahoo. I suggested he contact the forum moderator for an answer to his question. If he wasn't satisfied with the answer he might contact, Tony Stillman the Dist V VP for assistance.

He then began to belittle the website for including a link to the Yahoo forum and suggested it should be removed - I presume because he had been banned from it.

The Yahoo forum moderator reported to me that this person had made well over 500 anti-AMA posts on various forums including this one. He decided enough was enough and banned him from the forum he moderates.

Because the Dist V website cost is born by the Dist V VP - I put on it what he tells me - not what someone with a personal problem dictates. That policy will continue.

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

should the DVPs have oversight of their web presense,
or just be powerless under random folks that do stuff on the internet using that AMA District name?

<snip>
Well Kid, I tried to play the game and 'keep the mystery of the involved parties intact,' but didn't have enough info to make an educated guess in reply to your question. So I peeked.

It is not the district website as you said, but is linked to it, uses the district's name and logo, and so I would agree that 'official' sanction is strongly inferred. As list owner is a staffer to DVP, that seems to make the inference stronger yet.........but that makes this part of your OP puzzling:
Rumor is the DVP says they have no control over the forum to help the revokee.
As list owner (I think) is on staff to DVP, I doubt that he would say no if DVP did make a request regarding the forum, as to undo an action that doesn't reflect well on the district. IOW, I doubt the rumor is based in truth.

Oh yeah, back to your Q. It would be unbecoming for the owner of the Yahoo District forum, official or not, to act a manner contrary to policies of the DVP, if he is in fact a subordinate representative of the district. If he isn't and just does his own thing, proper disclaimers should be posted.

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webbiz posted:

The Yahoo forum moderator reported to me that this person had made well over 500 anti-AMA posts on various forums including this one. He decided enough was enough and banned him from the forum he moderates.

That would be Red Scholefield who is the moderator of District 5 forums.

I am so anti AMA that in the last year and a half i helped to found a new AMA sanctioned club. I have buddy corded several new people to this hobby and helped them solo. All of these people were incouraged to join the AMA. In the last year we have been instrumental in helping at least 10 people join the AMA. We have put on free flying demos at our field and invited many electric flyers. Several of these have joined AMA and then our club. This is at least five people. I serve as president of our club. Today i went to the AMA district five jamboree in Harvest Al. to support district five and the club there. I have a son who is 15 who is very good 3-d pilot, and he always puts on a show and was interviewed at the completing of his flight for all the spectators. I have been involved in this hobby since about 5 years old. I am 41. My dad helped organize the first AMA sactioned club in my area many years ago, the Quad Cities Radio Controlled Club.

I resent the slander that has been leveled at me. Red I challenge you to back up your lies. I have the right as any American, rights paid for for me in blood, to disagree with you, Tony Stillman, Jim Cherry or any one on this forum. The fact that i don't like Jim C. does not make me an AMA hater. Name calling and slander is for COWARDS.
Next time you see me, say it to my face.
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Very interesting your comment, "reflect well on the District." What about reflect well on AMA, it's members, or a majority of participants in a internet forum or god forbid, an elected officer of AMA with decades of demonstrated dedication and service.

Your connectability, vis-a-vis, culpability is well documented on Yahoo's forum. That sir, is precisely why they grant moderator's the ability to ban anyone they choose.

That's the issue at hand and that is the only correct place where the issue must be resolved.

Otherwise, it will not be.
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ORIGINAL: bizwebpage

Very interesting your comment, "reflect well on the District." What about reflect well on AMA, it's members, or a majority of participants in a internet forum or god forbid, an elected officer of AMA with decades of demonstrated dedication and service.

Your connectability, vis-a-vis, culpability is well documented on Yahoo's forum. That sir, is precisely why they grant moderator's the ability to ban anyone they choose.

That's the issue at hand and that is the only correct place where the issue must be resolved.

Otherwise, it will not be.

What are you talking about? I have never posted on Yahoo in Reds forum. I've never made a single post there. You have your facts wrong becuse you are believeing abitter old man who got showed up when he tried to pick a fight with Mark H. here on RCU forums.
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I'm glad we don't have these kinds of problems up in my district. Life is great.

I think it's just a year round heat kind of thing down there.
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We need Texans in dist. 5. lol
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ORIGINAL: bizwebpage

Very interesting your comment, "reflect well on the District." What about reflect well on AMA, it's members, or a majority of participants in a internet forum or god forbid, an elected officer of AMA with decades of demonstrated dedication and service.

Your connectability, vis-a-vis, culpability is well documented on Yahoo's forum. That sir, is precisely why they grant moderator's the ability to ban anyone they choose.
Where in the hell are you coming from? Has Red posted a dossier on me on the Yahoo forum too? I know how much he likes those things, but I've never been there to read or post anything. He told you Curtis made over 500 anti AMA posts. He has only posted 660 in total. Sample a random 50, and see if you don't smell the horse manure. Slanderous horse manure.

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

<<< hmmm, I should keep a local copy of this post, incase the RCU server burps & this post gets disappeared>>>
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Your ESP is impressive and duly noted, with extension from 'post' to 'thread.' Good idea.

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

I've heard of getting banned for posting wrong,
but should AMA district forums kick AMA members that dont post at all?

Rumor going around in my PMs is this guy:
is current AMA member
is in the district concerned
has had access to the district forums
has not posted anything in those district forums
and has had his access revoked.

now, it is a Yahoo forum that is linked from the District MCLXVI website
(yes, I am not mentioning names of guys or even districts to keep this impartial.)
and at that forum:
The list will be unmoderated, members may post freely.
Membership is open to all AMA members. Please provide real name and AMA number when subscribing.
Rumor is the DVP says they have no control over the forum to help the revokee.

Should AMA have DVPs hold oversite of what happens on their district websights,
to include what is in essence the district official forum
(not claimed, but only one linked at the homepage of the district.)
or to have disclaimer that such uncontrolled forums are not Official District activity.


<if the rumors I am getting are untrue, please post the truth to clear the good name of the unamed district....
...um, we have had problems with this recently, so I'll make this eye catching
and try to keep the mystery of the involved parties intact,
this aint a fingerpointing fest / witchhunt / lynchmob>


<<< hmmm, I should keep a local copy of this post, incase the RCU server burps & this post gets disappeared>>>
Kid Epoxy,

It appears that there is more to this than you wanted us to know. How is it that you heard about it before any of the rest of us? Hmmmmmmmmmm....[:-]

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Kid Epoxy,

It appears that there is more to this than you wanted us to know. How is it that you heard about it before any of the rest of us? Hmmmmmmmmmm....

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It's not like he hid it: "Rumor going around in my PMs is ........"

Now then, is there more to this than you wanted us to know?

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I'm gonna go try something different in this hobby. I'm going flying, instae of listening to the crying....
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Abel,

When he posted the first one, was the first I'd heard of it. Of course, I don't get around all the web sites as much as some of you guys. then, I see a post from someone called bizwebpage, and still don't know what is going on. Looks as though it could get messy though. Can't miss a chance to jerk K.E.'s chain though. Looks as if you get yours pulled a tad as well.[8D]

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I see a post from someone called bizwebpage, and still don't know what is going on.
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Someone called bizwebpage is Bill Davison, the D-V webmaster, not to be confused with the list owner of the Yahoo D-V forum, and I think you know who that is. Does that help? I still don't know what is going on either, but I will. Sure hope Tony Stilman does too, and soon.

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I'll be glad to tell you what has happened. It looks like Red has labeled me an AMA hater in the district 5 forums and has decided to kick me out. I have never made a post in that forum. The district 5 forum says that it is for all AMA members, esp those of dist 5. It really is not that big of a deal for me except that i get notices of funflys and other announcements from there to my email. If Red wants to act that way that is fine, my problem is that if he is going to use it to try to punish people he does not like or agree with then the link from Dist 5 web page needs to be removed. It is either for ALL dist 5 members or it isn't.

It seems that Tony Stillman is gutless to deal with it. He claims that Red is his friend, so, it looks like Tony is going to allow his friendship with Red to allow Red to use the District 5 website to settle his own personal scores. Tony is especially upset with my position with the firing of Steve K. and beraded me in an email. So now we have official AMA district five sanction of the persecution of anyone who does not toe the PARTY LINE. Today at the district 5 flyin in Harvest Al. Tony said he was here to help and support all AMA members, i guess thats all who drink the kool=aid and never ask questions.

Now guys we see the inner workings of the machinery. Could this be why Hoss was not on the ballot?
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ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER

I'll be glad to tell you what has happened. It looks like Red has labeled me an AMA hater in the district 5 forums and has decided to kick me out. I have never made a post in that forum. The district 5 forum says that it is for all AMA members, esp those of dist 5. It really is not that big of a deal for me except that i get notices of funflys and other announcements from there to my email. If Red wants to act that way that is fine, my problem is that if he is going to use it to try to punish people he does not like or agree with then the link from Dist 5 web page needs to be removed. It is either for ALL dist 5 members or it isn't.

It seems that Tony Stillman is gutless to deal with it. He claims that Red is his friend, so, it looks like Tony is going to allow his friendship with Red to allow Red to use the District 5 website to settle his own personal scores. Tony is especially upset with my position with the firing of Steve K. and beraded me in an email. So now we have official AMA district five sanction of the persecution of anyone who does not toe the PARTY LINE. Today at the district 5 flyin in Harvest Al. Tony said he was here to help and support all AMA members, i guess thats all who drink the kool=aid and never ask questions.

Now guys we see the inner workings of the machinery. Could this be why Hoss was not on the ballot?
It never ceases to amaze me this type of vendetta and personal humiliation is allowed. The idea that sanctions should be taken against one member in favor of another is very disappointing to say the very least.

The only fair way to reconcile this matter is to either completely separate the forum from AMA's purview or see to it that all DV members can participate or take it to the final step and revoke the membership of the so-called offensive member. Anything less is just plain wrong.
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I'm getting some real bad vibes here. Jug's last post threw me - Tony S. is somebody I have had contact with from a distance in both business and AMA contexts, and formed a very positive impression of - somebody that seems capable of making up for D-V's years in the purgatory of his predecessor's tenure. I hope the impressions I am getting are false and not caving to such thoughts yet, but.........whence came spokesman for the dist. Bill Davison, D-V webmaster, who never posted in this forum before, came in and took a dump and then went quiet. Did he just happenstance onto the discussion? Fat chance - he's talking for somebody that's gone shy about talking.
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I'm starting to think we are not goint to keep the involved Persons & District a mystery[&:]

Per my fisrt post: yes, it is a Yahoo group run by Red, linked from the D5 website.
Read the Yahoo description again, and we see it claims to be unmoderated and open to all AMA members.
It claims to be a way to get D5 DVP info shared

It is fact is not unmoderated it seems.
It seems to me moderated by politics & hate.
It seems to be closed to a D5 club officer that never posted anything on the D5 yahoo forum.
Aparrently to stop that club officer from continuing to read the D5 member & DVP posts.

That is all well and good it it was Big Reds World of AMA Posts, not what sits in premace of official AMA D5 Forum, as one would see from the direct & obvious linking from the D5 Website.

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I am asking for folks opinion on whether AMA, & in particular AMA DVPs should have/assume top tier oversite of their web/forum presense. I am not asking for you to take action against the terms you have from the District. I am asking folks to talk about their feelings... casue I'm just a really sensative guy like that.



Imagine this as a School and a Band Booster Organization.
The organization Taft Jr High Band Boosters, that is recognized by & promoted at Taft School events,
decides to branch out & start selling Nooses.
The school would ask them to not peddle hate, or to not use the Schools name whan they do.
It is not illegal to sell nooses, but the school doesnt want its name used to sell Taft Jr High Ties
... for obvious reasons.


Banning a guy for not posting anything is the Noose Selling.
Red can do anything he wants with some yahoo group.... but under the AMA D5 name?
Should the AMA District ask for it to stop, or distance itself from such behavior, such as removing the AMA D5 Site link to the discrimination forum.

(what term do you use for one that says it is open to all members, especially d5 ones, then bans a d5 club officer for not posting anything. To say it was political posts of that officer on other sites is simply censureship... or Precensureship to ban before even one post was by a d5 club officer to his club, his district, or his DVP. Can that club officer post about an upcoming event at the club... no, why... moderator personal hate.)

We have focused on the event that has made me ponder the question,
lets focus on the pondering of how we would like the AMA to be.

But obviously it would be illegal for ama to say anthing, per the SK Mower Thread.... right?


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Oh, and I think we are all in agreement that
Red can do what he likes with his Yahoo Group,
It is his.
Neither we nor D5 DVP can stop him from political/personal hate peddling.

So we dont need STL coming in here in the morning to say how wrong we all are & Red can do what he wants because it is his group.
We know that.
The question is whether the D5 DVP should have the oversite to distance the D5 Website from the Forum Of Hate & Personal Grudges, or at least ask that the Revokee be reinstated.
It is opinion on DVP control of web presense.
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With the understanding the the following misses the point of the thread, simply use another computer with a different IP address and server, with another AMA number and do your thing. Then post or read away.
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

I'm starting to think we are not goint to keep the involved Persons & District a mystery[&:]

Per my fisrt post: yes, it is a Yahoo group run by Red, linked from the D5 website.
Read the Yahoo description again, and we see it claims to be unmoderated and open to all AMA members.
It claims to be a way to get D5 DVP info shared

It is fact is not unmoderated it seems.
It seems to me moderated by politics & hate.
It seems to be closed to a D5 club officer that never posted anything on the D5 yahoo forum.
Aparrently to stop that club officer from continuing to read the D5 member & DVP posts.

That is all well and good it it was Big Reds World of AMA Posts, not what sits in premace of official AMA D5 Forum, as one would see from the direct & obvious linking from the D5 Website.

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I am asking for folks opinion on whether AMA, & in particular AMA DVPs should have/assume top tier oversite of their web/forum presense. I am not asking for you to take action against the terms you have from the District. I am asking folks to talk about their feelings... casue I'm just a really sensative guy like that.



Imagine this as a School and a Band Booster Organization.
The organization Taft Jr High Band Boosters, that is recognized by & promoted at Taft School events,
decides to branch out & start selling Nooses.
The school would ask them to not peddle hate, or to not use the Schools name whan they do.
It is not illegal to sell nooses, but the school doesnt want its name used to sell Taft Jr High Ties
... for obvious reasons.


Banning a guy for not posting anything is the Noose Selling.
Red can do anything he wants with some yahoo group.... but under the AMA D5 name?
Should the AMA District ask for it to stop, or distance itself from such behavior, such as removing the AMA D5 Site link to the discrimination forum.

(what term do you use for one that says it is open to all members, especially d5 ones, then bans a d5 club officer for not posting anything. To say it was political posts of that officer on other sites is simply censureship... or Precensureship to ban before even one post was by a d5 club officer to his club, his district, or his DVP. Can that club officer post about an upcoming event at the club... no, why... moderator personal hate.)

We have focused on the event that has made me ponder the question,
lets focus on the pondering of how we would like the AMA to be.

But obviously it would be illegal for ama to say anthing, per the SK Mower Thread.... right?


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Oh, and I think we are all in agreement that
Red can do what he likes with his Yahoo Group,
It is his.
Neither we nor D5 DVP can stop him from political/personal hate peddling.

So we dont need STL coming in here in the morning to say how wrong we all are & Red can do what he wants because it is his group.
We know that.
The question is whether the D5 DVP should have the oversite to distance the D5 Website from the Forum Of Hate & Personal Grudges, or at least ask that the Revokee be reinstated.
It is opinion on DVP control of web presense.
Kid,

Not taking anyone's side here, but maybe (just maybe) some see it as a way to have a balanced opinion of the AMA. Truth be told, the RCU forum is the place (or so it seems) for the anti AMA group to gather together and bash everything that has to do with the AMA. So perhaps the other site exists for those who support the efforts of the AMA. Please look at it that way before you start screaming and attempting to belittle me for saying that. Obviously, the threads here on RCU are not overly moderated, since it has become acceptable for the anti AMA group to be able to flame, embarass and insult anyone who disagrees with the anti-AMA group (or more directly those who agree with Jim Cherry).

How did you think that you would ever be able to keep the persons identies a mystery? More importantly, why would you feel the need to do so? It's fair game to name names when someone does not agree with you, or when an official of the AMA does something that you disagree with.

Welcome to the big leagues. You guys have been operating in RCU with a certain degree of protection from the moderators/administrators. I can't see it as any other way, when the various threads have been allowed to continue, while others (especially those who disagree with the anti-AMA mindset) get locked down immediately. Anyway, why are you so interested in something that has not one thing to do with your district? The site in question has to do with District V. Last time I checked, Texas was not in District V.

Again, I think that the Yahoo site is just a way for the pro-AMA group to be able to have their say. Might be wrong, but it won't be the first time. More than likely, it won't be the last.

Bill, AMA 4720
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