Sport_Pilot

There are proceedures in the FAR to get waivers for model rockets to fly to outer space if need be. Will we have to do the same for model planes?

Tired Old Man

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Might. The UAV folks already are required to obtain a C.O.A.....

Sport_Pilot

Then you would agree with some that we come under part 91. If that is the case than I can get a handheld aviation radio, put a transponder in my model and fly to any airport, including O'Hare and Atlanta. I am not saying that an 18,000 feet alitude limit is unreasonable, I just don't see how we can say we must comply with parts of Part 91 and not others. The FAA aparently does not either so that is why they are proposing a SFAR for UAV's including models.

Tired Old Man

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With the correct permissions, even a radio and transponder may not be required in some controlled airspace and airports

Sport_Pilot

NOKIDDING. But of course I was refering to O' Hare and Atlanta where they are most definately required. So you cannot do that at ANY airport. Don't you think they would be upset if a model airplane was blending in their traffic? Do you think ground control would have a hard time finding the model on the airfield? That's what I mean about trying to apply part 91 to models, if you pick something that you think limits models, then I can find somthing that model airplanes could use to use the airspace.

KidEpoxy

Old Man-
no, you are mistaken, that is not the issue

The issue is that AMA can and has instituted organization rules to be followed by members,

(right now, as we type & read this, the fed allows americans to aeromodel ways AMA has member rules againts:
Metal props are legal for Americans, and the AMA forbids them for its members.
Fed put out an AC of 400', and AMA set a hard ceiling of 200' for PPP tier members.
All the rules AMA has apply to its members, and just its members... but they do apply.

AMA has full legal ability to form a 200' RC Club and membership requires flying below 200',
just as AMA can form a Pie Eating Club and have membership require eating pie. )

and just as $29PPP has a 200' Ceiling rule from Muncie
what $58Open ceiling rules are there on AMA members by AMA?
Not fed, not landowner, but AMA rules that AMA members have to follow to be AMA.


AMA rules apply to AMA members.
AMA has plenty of restrictions and limits imposed on members right now.
We know all about the No Metal Props In AMA rule by muncie.
We know all about the Turbine Waiver policies by muncie.
We all know about the Name/AMA# on the plane mandate by muncie.
We all know about the 200' cap on PPP Tier Members done by muncie.

Q: What is the max altitude for members as set by AMA?
A: 400' within 3miles of airport. Also, hard 200' cap everywhere... but just for the $29 AMA Tier, not the other members

Q: Other than the 400'-3Mile cap, and the 200' $29 PPP Tier cap, what OTHER alt caps has AMA set on the membership of AMA
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KidEpoxy

Sport & Old Man

Unless you can demonstrate how the AMA is requiring transponders for some of its member's activities,
that junk is not on the topic of finding out what AMA rules limit AMA member's alts.

We already have a couple threads of Fed Talk,
this thread is for what AMA currently has controlling its members

Does AMA even have documents educating members on controlled airspace?
I mean, it is an 'academy' after all

Sport_Pilot

Again you miss the point. That is that you cannot try to use Part 91 for model aircraft.

Tired Old Man

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Kid,

Just for laughs, what can the AMA do, other than expel you from the membership roles, if you do not abide by their rules and regulations? That's the point I'm trying to make here, they have no legal authority whatsoever. They cannot impose a fine, a jail sentence, or any other of the traditional forms of punishment.

We abide by by their rules and regulations voluntarily without fear of civil or criminal repurcussions.

Robotech

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DING, DING, DING, DING! We have a winner!

Key word - Voluntarily

KidEpoxy

Sport-
you still fail to grasp the entire concept of the thread.

AMA rules dont have a "Part 91",
what are you doing talking about that here... here where the topic is the AMA rules that apply to AMA members


How much clearer could I have made the subject line of the thread?
Part 91 is not an AMA rule.
AMA is not currently applying its Safety Code and Membership Tier rules to nonmembers.


Sport, just so you can understand what the thread is asking, I'll paste in the subject line for YOU:
AMA max altitude for members?

not FAA max altitudes or navigable airspace junk
not FCC public freq sharing junk
not AC/AFS/Guide/ARC junk
Just what Altitude limits AMA hq at Muncie is mandating its members to obey as part of membership.

it really is that simple
If you dont understand, go back & read what Abel has posted in the thread

KidEpoxy

Ding Ding Ding
We have a winner.

Thats right,
if you voluntarily join the Pie Eating Club, you must obey their Members Must Eat Pie rule.
If you voluntarily join the indiana 200' Electric $29PPP tier, you must obey their Members Must Fly <200' rule.
If you voluntarily join the indiana $58Open AMA tier, you must obey their Members Must Fly <XXXXX rule.


Old Man, what is XXXX?  .... does that rule even exist in AMA?
(or one could ask AMA max Alt for members?)

RCKen

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Ok, this has gone far enough. When the OP starts getting insulting to those participating in the thread I think it's time to close the thread down.

Thread locked.

Ken