AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
09-28-2009, 04:23 PM
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Didn't they try this before, LAW SUITS and all, and failed. Is this the same group of nere-do-wells from the last time?? Not to mention this insurance wont be accepted at AMA sites. Why make the same mistakes all over again. We have been down this road, and it went no where, and shut down.
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09-28-2009, 06:31 PM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
Sounds good to me. Heck, I might even get the wife into it at this price.
What have I got to lose, other than a mag I really don't want an $38 off of what I am paying now
What have I got to lose, other than a mag I really don't want an $38 off of what I am paying now
09-28-2009, 06:47 PM
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If they have very little ventured, they don't stand much to lose. A business like this could be run out of a bedroom.
They will ride along with the AMA like those birds that clean the rhino's teeth if they are smart.
They will ride along with the AMA like those birds that clean the rhino's teeth if they are smart.
09-28-2009, 06:54 PM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
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If they have very little ventured, they don't stand much to lose. A business like this could be run out of a bedroom.
They will ride along with the AMA like those birds that clean the rhino's teeth if they are smart.
If they have very little ventured, they don't stand much to lose. A business like this could be run out of a bedroom.
They will ride along with the AMA like those birds that clean the rhino's teeth if they are smart.
A lotta things got started in somebodys garage.
If their ins is good, I see no reason not to include them with the rest of us.
09-28-2009, 07:14 PM
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I hope this idea takes off well enough to support a family or to help a guy pay for this hobby!
At first glance I said to myself that it's bad for the AMA to have this, it divides and conquers.
On 2nd thought, it also brings guys into the hobby that might balk at $58 per year. Don't anyone try to tell me this isn't a factor. There's 20,000 reasons why this is partially to blame. Nothing fom nothing = nothing.
OK, now you've got some guy in the sport and he decides to move "up" to an AMA club field. The jump from $20 per year to $58 isn't as shocking, compared to $0 to $58.
This guy could also decide that he wants to get into competition, he wants something more than just turning circles on his own. Every contest has on the spot AMA registration...ca-ching. They just pulled in one that could have gotten away.
So, there is both some good [for AMA], some bad. Good for us to have a choice, bad for us if we ever ended up losing a voice in DC.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
At first glance I said to myself that it's bad for the AMA to have this, it divides and conquers.
On 2nd thought, it also brings guys into the hobby that might balk at $58 per year. Don't anyone try to tell me this isn't a factor. There's 20,000 reasons why this is partially to blame. Nothing fom nothing = nothing.
OK, now you've got some guy in the sport and he decides to move "up" to an AMA club field. The jump from $20 per year to $58 isn't as shocking, compared to $0 to $58.
This guy could also decide that he wants to get into competition, he wants something more than just turning circles on his own. Every contest has on the spot AMA registration...ca-ching. They just pulled in one that could have gotten away.
So, there is both some good [for AMA], some bad. Good for us to have a choice, bad for us if we ever ended up losing a voice in DC.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
09-28-2009, 07:36 PM
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I don't own an airplane that weighs 12 pounds. Wonder if they will grow the organization to fit the rest of us?
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09-28-2009, 07:54 PM
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Send a check to a PO Box in Las Vegas NV. No names, addresses, nothing.
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
Frank
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
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09-28-2009, 08:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: Muroc1
Send a check to a PO Box in Las Vegas NV. No names, addresses, nothing.
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
Frank
Send a check to a PO Box in Las Vegas NV. No names, addresses, nothing.
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
Frank
What do ya mean?
A ck would go to the companys name, and a p.o. box is not that big of a deal. Heck, half my bills go to p.o. boxes.
Besides, I have a few ?'s in a pm to Mark the admin. here an waiting for some answers.
Just because they are new an your an ama guy doesn't mean that you hafta diss'em right out of the gate.
Heck, ya never know, this might be connected to this forum for all we know. Which would be a good thing IMO
09-28-2009, 08:56 PM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
AMA offers Secondary Ins,
the competition is offering Primary.
The real point of competition is if they grow into Site Insurance.
Without Site insurance clubs wont drop AMA charter,
which means club members must still be, as Ottertail put it, only having AMA cause the club requires it.
When they can offer a turn key replacement site insurance for AMA clubs to show landowners,
then they will actually be competition
because somebody here declared that all the good places have been monopolied up by AMA already.
the competition is offering Primary.
The real point of competition is if they grow into Site Insurance.
Without Site insurance clubs wont drop AMA charter,
which means club members must still be, as Ottertail put it, only having AMA cause the club requires it.
When they can offer a turn key replacement site insurance for AMA clubs to show landowners,
then they will actually be competition
because somebody here declared that all the good places have been monopolied up by AMA already.
09-28-2009, 09:16 PM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
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True that.
However, the unrestricted nature of the USAMA liability insurance
promotes the PickUp Race or combat... non-AMA informal pylon without helmets... etc
between insured USAMA members and folks with or without insurances
when not on AMA monopoly land.
If a USAMA pilot challenges an AMA pilot to a race,
they meet at dawn and fly a Lightpole Pylon Streetflyin Race,
where the USAMA pilot has USAMA Primary Insurance
while the AMA guy loses his Secondary AMA insurance but still has his primary HO/PUP insurance.
I have seen nothing on the USAMA site that would prevent them from expanding into USAMA Regionals & Nats.
With the power of the internet behind them, communications & organization can be a cinch
True that.
However, the unrestricted nature of the USAMA liability insurance
promotes the PickUp Race or combat... non-AMA informal pylon without helmets... etc
between insured USAMA members and folks with or without insurances
when not on AMA monopoly land.
If a USAMA pilot challenges an AMA pilot to a race,
they meet at dawn and fly a Lightpole Pylon Streetflyin Race,
where the USAMA pilot has USAMA Primary Insurance
while the AMA guy loses his Secondary AMA insurance but still has his primary HO/PUP insurance.
I have seen nothing on the USAMA site that would prevent them from expanding into USAMA Regionals & Nats.
With the power of the internet behind them, communications & organization can be a cinch
09-28-2009, 09:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
AMA offers Secondary Ins,
the competition is offering Primary.
The real point of competition is if they grow into Site Insurance.
Without Site insurance clubs wont drop AMA charter,
which means club members must still be, as Ottertail put it, only having AMA cause the club requires it.
When they can offer a turn key replacement site insurance for AMA clubs to show landowners,
then they will actually be competition
because somebody here declared that all the good places have been monopolied up by AMA already.
AMA offers Secondary Ins,
the competition is offering Primary.
The real point of competition is if they grow into Site Insurance.
Without Site insurance clubs wont drop AMA charter,
which means club members must still be, as Ottertail put it, only having AMA cause the club requires it.
When they can offer a turn key replacement site insurance for AMA clubs to show landowners,
then they will actually be competition
because somebody here declared that all the good places have been monopolied up by AMA already.
Kid You are 100% correct in what you said.
09-28-2009, 09:56 PM
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KE, I would maintain a "dual citizenship" if it meant expanding my contest calendar, because alot of us can't compete nationally, just locally.
AMA would still pay if you had a Nelson .40 buried in your head from a unofficial pylon race. ....Even if you had to explain to them the tequila on your breath was taken afterwards to treat the headache.
AMA would still pay if you had a Nelson .40 buried in your head from a unofficial pylon race. ....Even if you had to explain to them the tequila on your breath was taken afterwards to treat the headache.
09-28-2009, 11:52 PM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
Where did they come up with The arbitrary 12lb. number? Is a 12lb plane safer than a 12.01LB plane?
Won't this divide the modeling public? Create an us vs. them mentality?
What about a vote in how the org. is run?
Can I shoot my metal propped plane with paintballs while my buddies are grabbing it out of the air?
I think the biggest draw for the chronically unhappy 27 is that it's not the AMA.
I better head over to the site. Got to get some answers!
Won't this divide the modeling public? Create an us vs. them mentality?
What about a vote in how the org. is run?
Can I shoot my metal propped plane with paintballs while my buddies are grabbing it out of the air?
I think the biggest draw for the chronically unhappy 27 is that it's not the AMA.
I better head over to the site. Got to get some answers!
09-29-2009, 01:07 AM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
A lot of .40 - .91 planes can fit in 12lb, as can the 1/2A - .40, and a whole lotta ePlanes
[ul][*] "Won't this divide the modeling public? Create an us vs. them mentality? "
Interesting concern. Let me check the masses response:
"I would maintain a "dual citizenship" if it meant expanding my contest calendar, because alot of us can't compete nationally, just locally."
Well, it looks like rather than 'division' it is creating co-existance and duality.
Yin&yang, man. Breath the mana of the universe... dont harsh our buzz, man.[8D]
If you see antagonism in the future, I'm sure you're right... the core AMA crusaders will get real uppity about it daring to coexist.
[*]What about a vote in how the org. is run?
It sound like each member gets the same number of votes, no subset of serf members sitting under the voting elites
[*]Can I shoot my metal propped plane with paintballs while my buddies are grabbing it out of the air?
If you can do it without violating the safety code they dont have
[*]"I think the biggest draw for the chronically unhappy 27 is that it's not the AMA."
I better head over to the site. Got to get some answers!
so, you have based your conclusion on the value of what it offers on.... oh, you havent even been there yet to see what it offers?????????
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[ul][*] "Won't this divide the modeling public? Create an us vs. them mentality? "
Interesting concern. Let me check the masses response:
"I would maintain a "dual citizenship" if it meant expanding my contest calendar, because alot of us can't compete nationally, just locally."
Well, it looks like rather than 'division' it is creating co-existance and duality.
Yin&yang, man. Breath the mana of the universe... dont harsh our buzz, man.[8D]
If you see antagonism in the future, I'm sure you're right... the core AMA crusaders will get real uppity about it daring to coexist.
[*]What about a vote in how the org. is run?
It sound like each member gets the same number of votes, no subset of serf members sitting under the voting elites
[*]Can I shoot my metal propped plane with paintballs while my buddies are grabbing it out of the air?
If you can do it without violating the safety code they dont have
[*]"I think the biggest draw for the chronically unhappy 27 is that it's not the AMA."
I better head over to the site. Got to get some answers!
so, you have based your conclusion on the value of what it offers on.... oh, you havent even been there yet to see what it offers?????????
[/ul]
09-29-2009, 01:22 AM
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I did not get that it was an "organization", but rather that it is a straight up insurance provider, about which all we know is their web address and P.O. Box in Las Vegas and that they will charge $20 for coverage or "membership".
I think a fair bit of additional information is needed before anyone can really evaluate what they are all about.
I think a fair bit of additional information is needed before anyone can really evaluate what they are all about.
09-29-2009, 01:23 AM
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I'll bet the 12 pound limit was a strategic, but not a highly scientific point where to draw the line.
A Goldberg Bipe with a 1.20 weighs 10 pounds...this leaves some "wiggle room" for carrying projectiles and gaseous boosts.
A Goldberg Bipe with a 1.20 weighs 10 pounds...this leaves some "wiggle room" for carrying projectiles and gaseous boosts.
09-29-2009, 02:12 AM
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At least they are not trying to convince folks that a quiet 12lb plane is safer than a loud 12lb plane,
and they certainly havent said a 4oz RubberFF needs more insurance than the planes upto 12lb.
If I had to guess,
they likely didnt partner up with 12lb plane makers,
and let those retailers set the weight limit to what they sell
and they certainly havent said a 4oz RubberFF needs more insurance than the planes upto 12lb.
If I had to guess,
they likely didnt partner up with 12lb plane makers,
and let those retailers set the weight limit to what they sell
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ORIGINAL: The Toolman
What do ya mean?
A ck would go to the companys name, and a p.o. box is not that big of a deal. Heck, half my bills go to p.o. boxes.
Besides, I have a few ?'s in a pm to Mark the admin. here an waiting for some answers.
Just because they are new an your an ama guy doesn't mean that you hafta diss'em right out of the gate.
Heck, ya never know, this might be connected to this forum for all we know. Which would be a good thing IMO
ORIGINAL: Muroc1
Send a check to a PO Box in Las Vegas NV. No names, addresses, nothing.
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
Frank
Send a check to a PO Box in Las Vegas NV. No names, addresses, nothing.
As soon as I get my load of cash from the bank if West Africa, I'll be sure to sign up (I didn't know I had an uncle who lived there. He died tragically in an airplane crash and the administrator of the bank there said I am his only living next of kin. I just had to send $2,000 for him to release the funds)
Hmm, looks like someone is in need of a little more gambling money.
Frank
What do ya mean?
A ck would go to the companys name, and a p.o. box is not that big of a deal. Heck, half my bills go to p.o. boxes.
Besides, I have a few ?'s in a pm to Mark the admin. here an waiting for some answers.
Just because they are new an your an ama guy doesn't mean that you hafta diss'em right out of the gate.
Heck, ya never know, this might be connected to this forum for all we know. Which would be a good thing IMO
I thought I was pretty clear.
New scam websites are born everyday wanting to rob people of their money. I'll reserve the right not to send any of my hard earned money to some PO Box for something I do not know if it is even a legit company or not. I want more facts first.
What does the OP know about this company? Does RCU have a stake in this as well? Let's hear more about it and then I'll decide.
I would suspect everyone else would want to do the same.
Frank
09-29-2009, 07:34 AM
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RE: AMA competitor launches! Sportfliers.com $20 per year
Muroc,
I'm with you on this one. I read everything on the website and got precious little information. Send $20, start flying worry free, indeed. Misspellings, improper syntax, poorly phrased sections, and absolutely no support for any of the claims (like discounts and craftsman recognition).
Whoever wrote the text on that site was long on sales hype and short on detail. I didn't see any names identified with the site, but would not be surprised if one of the staff is named Fusco.
Dave Olson
I'm with you on this one. I read everything on the website and got precious little information. Send $20, start flying worry free, indeed. Misspellings, improper syntax, poorly phrased sections, and absolutely no support for any of the claims (like discounts and craftsman recognition).
Whoever wrote the text on that site was long on sales hype and short on detail. I didn't see any names identified with the site, but would not be surprised if one of the staff is named Fusco.
Dave Olson
