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Good, Bad, Don't care? In any case this is from the minutes of the AMA July EC meeting:

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Good! Although I will miss the concise, no spin posts that Ilona Maine made there... She should have been put in place where Dave M. is now IMO... She is one of the greatest assets to AMA.

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Don't care.

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I haven't visited in a couple of months, so OK by me.

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I don't care either.

"90% of those posts come from 10 members"

Yea, because they ban anyone who disagrees.

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Yes, one more item to be removed from the membership. Another step in the same direction that a much larger block of "leaders" is doing to the entire country.

Those "acclamations" are following AMA EC like a number of "executive orders" (small case on purpose) in another area.

Have you noticed the "We gonna' build us a Foundation!" Wonder if anyone might remember how a certain BAD GUY pushed for that item a number of years ago? Also notice that the proposed foundation will have no By-Laws requiring any Leader Member input! [:-]

Now how long will it take to transfer the AMA assets to a 501c foundation? Then the AMA can renounce its 501 and with a bit of maneuvering throw all the membeship inputs out of business. It is so easy.

It doesn't have to be that way, but any bets on how it will finally evolve to? :eek:

For you that will yell, "I see nothing about a foundation." Just go read the minutes. It's all there.

For you that never used the forum, that was YOUR choice. There were considerable visitors that at least had something to talk about in their own clubs, groups, etc.
That is to be deleted. Thanks to YOU non interested, all-about-me individuals.

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It's a forum that never had a purpose and never needed to be started in the first place. It didn't take off because we didn't need it. The AMA spent money to do it because someone got the idea that all internet presence is good without having the know how to actually run an online forum. Now it's being shut down precisely for the reason it should never have been started- it serves no purpose.

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You are entitled to your judgment, no matter how wrong it is. AMA started the web site due to member requests. They then showed how much the EC and management wanted the website by placing far too restrictive rules coupled with some administrators that did not need any 30 pieces of silver to act as lap-dogs.

The forum was never given a chance to become really useful. I predicted this would happen and now it has. I also now predict that there is much more to come.

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From what you're saying it sounds like I was right. As they implemented it, it served no useful purpose. The simple fact that there were so few posters is evidence of that. Had the AMA really considered the RC community and how it works, they would have put a representative on the established forums to interact with people that way. It would have likely cost less and would have generated a lot more traffic.

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No, jester, you are not right. With your limited experience in aeromodeling and AMA as a unit (Airplane Experience - 0 years building - 6 years operating - Intermediate pilot) I propose that you are not yet seeing what is called "The Big Picture". Having been a modeler and AMA member since late '40s and watched AMA come from an office in the DC red-light district (not a nasty as I was in that office when I was a DVP) active in FF, CL, and RC, I have had the opportunities to get a fair view of that Big Picture.

IMO, the forum was enacted to satisfy a number of members, then saddled with restrictions and punishments that only those living under the "Yes Sir, Yes Sir, Three bags full" doctrine could withstand. I have observed and been a target for AMA management to keep me quite, and also quite removed. :D

BTW, the number of posters ia a small percentage of those reading those posts. There were frequently a high number of "Visitors" as compared to the posting members on the forum. When visitors learned of aeromodeling items being presented, then AMA profits as another individual learns something about model aviation. Look at the Beginners forum here on RCU. So many newbies get not-too-good information from good modelers, yet the newbie gets something that works now and can go forward. Arguments happen but AMA used that to kick members off the forum. AMA did not want the forum and now it uses all sorts of excuses to get rid of it.

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All the internet AMA Discussions have their issues with insiders, outsiders, homers, haters, newbies, "experts", and moderation.  Posters are banned from AMA, RCG, RCU, RCT and with very limited exceptions the threads turn south fast.................................. who to blame everybody of course.      <div>
</div><div>90% of the posts came from 10 members............................  is it really that different here?   OK not perhaps 90% but it would not surprise me that &gt;50% come from 10 members.           Is that bad?     or are they just interested in improving the AMA from their perspective.</div><div>
</div><div>BTW HC is it a co-incidence that the AMA Discussion Forum is being killed with the new Foundation" as an issue ?</div><div>
</div><div>Brad </div>

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I never knew there was a AMA forum.
How did they ever think it would compete (make money) with RCU and RCG.



AMA 1,000,000

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The AMA fourm was not intended to make money but just a place for AMA members to exchange and find info.

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There are a number of opinions swimming around in my head. It would take a thick book to write all such possibilities that I can conjure up. :eek: However having served as I did when I was an AVP, being left off the ballot for reelection, winning back by WRITE-IN, accomplishing what I did during that second term, and since then being zapped when again running for EVP, being denied the ballot by the EC, excetera, excetera, well friend, I must have more scars than most anyone in the arena of AMA Politics. :D

Brad and others, All I can provide is pure speculation and puzzle fitting.

Early '80s write-in votes were hidden by AMA Staff.Presdient finds votes in AMA gheadquarters and one person wins back his seat, Another is just a few votes short of winning back his position.

Several years later, new President has election turned over to an auditor. Works well for a number of years.

A famous person gets the AMA Presidency, one connected to EAA, also has a fine business out East, gives it all up for moving to Muncie for the EVP job that has to be way short of what he earned elsewhere. [:-]

Then in one swoop: Election ballots come back to AMA Headquarters. Same time the favored and most folks I talked to figured a shoe-in, the most progressive candidate for the AMA President, in YEARS, is not voted in. The winner is one that is a super nice guy, but has not - in my opinion - been very much a doer as a DVP for many years. He certainly failed to answer any question from me sent both by email and by snail mail.
Some years ago, I and another member offered to finance AMA's putting in a first class RV Park, at avery low interest rate, IIRC like 4-5% for whatever term AMA wanted. (At the time I was earning 8 to 13% on other such investments)

This now new Pres, then a DVP in charge of such, turned us down flat with all sorts of excuses.

Now as AMA has never spoke of a foundation, in one EC meeting, AMA institutes plans for a foundation emerging with bylaws being written with NO concern for previous information being presented to anyone other than the EC itself. NO MEMBER INPUT! NO REQUEST for info FROM MEMBERS, REGULAR OR LEADERS.

Therefore Brad therin the above lies my answer to your question. You already knew my answer as we have crossed paths too many times before. However Thanks to you for allowing me to give these new guys some of the history of AMA.

Hey, speaking of history, for you youngsters, read those 7-20 -12 minutes. AMA has instituted a possible 90 day membership suspension if you violate the AMA Safety Code. AMA Bylaws allow for the AMA to take all your priveleges if they deem it OK to do so. The Bylaws require a hearing if they wish to kick you out, but suspension from any activity or AMA facility is possible with no warning. At least the ATTORNEY spoke up that they may be pulling a bit too much there. That is a good point to remember.

Using Safety Code as a foot-in-the door could be something to think about. Once they get the foundation like EAA's organization, and the publishing corporation becomes a profit making entity outside any 501 (c) (3) connection, and you will be required to be a member of this Community Based Organization, well folks the sky is the limit if you wish to fly RC. NOW YOU KNOW! :eek:

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For anyone in the AMA that is reading ,


The real reason there never was any traffic at the AMA forum is all due to one moderator , ARBO , deleting any and all posts that he didn't like the poster of , even if such posts broke NO forum rules !

I just posted a question as to where a missing post went , and of course , without explaination , my post was deleted by ARBO as well . I defy ANYONE in the AMA management of that site to examine the post of mine that ARBO deleted , and tell me it broke any rule ! ( PS , the missing post I was asking about wasn't mine , I had just seen a fractured thread , and wondered what had been cut out of it . )

The quote of the removed post ;

"Why does it seem that Frank is talking to someone who isn't there ? Was there a post before his that got deleted without explaination ? Shame on anyone who would fracture this , what may be the last thread of the AMA forum ! But then , maybe all these fractured threads are the reason for the forum's upcoming demise ! Oh well , Later , it's been , mostly , fun..."


Now tell me , fellow AMAers , is that post in any way breaking of any rules , or is it just , once again , Paul being a bully with the only means he has , the delete button ?

REMOVE ARBO AS A MODERATOR AND MAYBE THE AMA FORUM WILL SEE THE POSTCOUNT TO SURVIVE !!!!!!!!


(Edited to add PS )

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Your right about Arbo being one of the problems but there were more like him there on occasion.. That forum is not the only forum that takes on the flavor of the moderation. I look at good moderation to be something like baseball...ties should go to the runner/poster... but all too often posts are deleted with less than clear or flagrant rule violations. Subjectivity is the problem...and always will be... Its sort of a given, those that wish to moderate probably shouldn't be the ones doing it... We see examples of that everywhere else in life too...

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Ditto. Every time I had an audience with our District VP I let him know I had similar feelings as well.

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Its a shame that what could have been a premier forum will disappear due to lack of vision and poor moderation practices.

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Just like alot of things these days , here today , gone tomorrow . As for my thoughts on the closing of the AMA forums , I`ll keep them to myself . :)

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Why hello init4fun!

It is unfortunate the AMA forum is going away, well, it would be unfortunate, if it was ever used. Those in charge at the AMA didn't frequent it, or post information there, and generally did nothing to provide content to let it grow. Perhaps they did not realize it took effort to actually get a forum moving forward.

But they did draw in a lot of malcontents that did nothing but argue about this and that nonstop. And blame everyone else, and claim they never broke rules, and generally acted like 10 year olds. Those in charge didn't want that there, it was removed, by any number of people that checked in and saw it. Dave was clear that he didn't want any of the negative posts, the negative energy, but people kept bringing it on. And rather than deal with the reality of what THEY did, they liked to go to other forums and complain that it wasn't their fault, that they did not do anything wrong. But it is clear to see, if you have seen most of these people on different forums over the years, they were always in trouble, getting points, warnings, bans. None of it ever their faults.

These are the kind of people that drove away good AMA members, with good positive stories about their clubs and experiences... Nobody want's to be around a bunch of crying children that bring nothing but drama to the place.

They rail on, on other forums about contacting the leadership and letting them know how they were wronged. I heard at times that some individuals did contact someone in the leadership, from the person they contacted, and most often, they told me they were tired of the whiners and wished they go away. But most of the time it appears it was all bravado and they never contacted a soul.
The norm for that 'type'.

Either way the forum is obviously on it's way out, and the same old people have headed over there to pop their heads up and crow about this or that, to see if they can get in a last shot, stir the pot one last time. Sorry, it ain't going to happen. If you have nothing to contribute that is of benefit to the AMA or it's members or other visitors to the forum in it's last days, don't bother, for if you get on there and start yelling and screaming and acting like a fool, you simply will be removed. So I guess you'll just have to take your final shots on other forums, where nobody cares about your complaints.

Have a nice day! Have fun hanging out at that other forum!

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Hey, Ken killed off a whole message! No opposing opinions allowed. What forum do you guys go to to complain about that treatment when you get it here? :eek:

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AMA's forum...well, at least for as long as it lasts....

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How does it go? What comes around goes around or vice versa?

At close to the end of the July 20 meeting, the Council is now setting up a forum for EC members to talk with each other. They shut down the forum for Leader Members to talk and now they are starting another one for themselves. :D

Who gonna' moderate that one? I am thinking they will not get the same treatment we did! HA! If these guys are not careful, they just all might get drafted into Congress. ;)

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crank,
For once I have to agree with you. This comes to mind;

http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=14003

Just one example.:eek:

Regards
Frank

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;) You may think your real funny with all the messages you delete over at the soon to be defunct AMA forum (that you , yourself sank by moderating OPINIONS instead of rule infractions , as a good moderator should have !) , , But everyone knows it was your agenda driven moderation that killed it .

Say all the little jabs at guys like Fred Huber you want , but he is 100% right , You ARE the reason that forum died !

How DO you look yourself in the mirror and sell yourself the BS you put out as fact ? Are you going to say you didn't try to sign on to RC Truth using someone else's id after having been banned there ? What kind of supposedly "Fair" moderator would do that ?

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Ah yes, let the slander continue. It is, after all, allowed here. But only those that pass on such untruths are allowed to post on and on without moderator intervention here on RCU. A safe haven of sorts eh?

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[:@] You , Having issues with ANYONE"S moderation , is almost TOO comical to comment on .........

Get a grip , dude , everyone around you is likely suffering greatly your "issues" ....... The best part for me is , once they flip the off switch on the AMA forum , you will have officially disappeared from just about everyone's view .

Anyone else built any good looking model airplanes lately ???

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Slander? You may not agree with his (or anyone else’s) opinions but his statements have to be false to be called slander. What is false?

Regards
Frank

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Of course you missed the point of my comments. See when some people get 'moderated', as I have here, they, oh, I dunno, start new web sites or run to other ones already existing, to complain about how they were treated, even though, in general it was always their own doing. No matter how much they protest that their actions had anything to do it it, it is pretty clear that is just about always the case. So your comments really diverge from what my response was, yet again.

See ya over on the AMA forum until it's gone. Oops, no, I guess I won't. ;)

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In general everything he (and a few others) has to say about the AMA forum, the EC, other AMA official, or anyone that has ever been a moderator there are all false.

I'm not going to sit here and play your pedantic games, as history has shown, actual explanations do not register with those that play such games.

I will add that I bet those in charge at the AMA will consider getting rid of the forum as a relief, considering they will no longer have to deal with a certain group of people.

Now is about the time for Ken to come along and remove my posts, saying they spawn hate and discontent, which is amazingly ironic if you look through this sub forum and see what is allowed to stand.

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Okay Paul, whatever you say.:eek: BTW [>:] I still think you need to learn the meaning of words before you use them but like we discussed before that is just my opinion.

Regards
Frank

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If you don't know what a word means, just ask. Otherwise, have a great day!

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init4, I was informed that you ran the the 'pyscho forum' to complain about me. Ah, go where who you choose to attack can not respond. Very nice.

I invite you to air-rc.com where we can have a discussion. If you have the fortitude for such a thing. But I will guess the offer will not be accepted, but we will see all sorts of excuses.

Yeah the 'internet brave' never really want an equal playground, do they? haha

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Honestly Paul , It wasn't to complain , it was to laugh at you , which I admit may not be nice , but I felt deserved .

Thing is , I was all set to see and listen to your side of things , when you blew up on that forum (yes , I'm talking about RC Truth here) .

If you remember , I was trying to be open minded about what was going on , in fact I even remember giving you the benefit of the doubt , and asking you flat out ; "Did you try to sign on as someone else ?"

Each time i've asked , you've gone on the attack . Further , when I saw how you deleted any conflicting views from the AMA forum , I figured reasoning with you was a lost cause . I was one of the ones who first thought you were OK . I even complimented your Lithograph work . And you got angry with me for asking if you did try to mess with RC Truth ? That's when I stepped back , had pretty much nothing more to do with the AMA forum , and I'd pop in occasionally to see how it was going . When I saw your censorship of both Fred Huber and Frank Phelps , I knew I had made the right decision to stay away !

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I was another that was hopeful...but I was skeptical, knowing what giving a gun and a bullet can do for some...:D Just as Paul openly admitted here, the strings were pulled for the dances he did...Just became part of the problem IMO...

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Weren't trying to complain? Yeah, I'm sure maybe somewhere, someone believes that.

All the rest is nonsense in your post, as is usual. But thanks for verifying your negative response on the offer for a place to discuss any of this. It's pretty clear discussion is not part of what you want.

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AMA had an online forum? http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...bout_smile.gif

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[8D] Yes LCS , you got it right ...

Hey , If any of you AMAers have any doubts about Paul abusing his moderator authority at the AMA forum , Go check out how he has banned me , user name 80274 , from the forum as some kind of "last word" !!! Even in the bitter end , he abuses his authority . If the forum were to remain open , I would get in touch with the AMA , send them ALL the screenshots , and ask to have the account reinstated ... No matter , that forum's done , and so is any last bit of Arbo's integrity ...

All I've done is to ask where a few posts went , and because of who the asker was (me) , and because I know of Paul's ugly dealings at RCTruth , I guess I musta been some problem to his cred for him to ban me like that , huh ???

I think now , I will inquire of the AMA as to when , exactly , the forum is to end , because with Arbo at the Helm , it can't end soon enough ...

PS , in sofar as the "being controlled" BS goes , And HONORABLE man would have LEFT the first time something was asked of him that went against his judgement . No , Insted Paul chose to let those above him in the AMA dictate his actions . If we are to believe him . A good Patsy keeps his trap shut till the bitter end , ALA Ollie North , and doesn't go blabbing about the boss the minute the chips are down .

Remember Arbo . Remember him well , He is the ugly face of all that's wrong with some people in power today , and this is NO slander , This is fact by the proof of my (80274's) banning at the all but dead AMA forum .

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Hahaha...

No, you were banned because you have been banned before, and the rules are, you get banned, and come in and do the same stuff, you get banned again. You came back trying to stir the pot just as you have in the past, start up trouble and arguments. As has clearly been stated by those in charge at the AMA, that behavior is not allowed. They have always said if you have an issue with the forum or mods or admins, that goes through the contact ama or PM's. But rail on again about how you didn't break any of the rules, I like watching you dig the hole.

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Now see , there ya go , proving my point perfectly .

In case you obviously have me mixed up with someone else you've lied about in the past , here's a little clue for ya ,

I"VE NEVER BEEN BANNED AT THE AMA FORUM BEFORE !!!!!! EVER !!!!!! ....... You lunkhead , I've only made 61 posts there , and now you LIE by saying I've been banned before ?

Dude , your loosing it , really ....

Provide proof of these past bannings , or admit you just abused you power , Its THAT simple :D