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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER

So?
I see it as much more important than most of the kiddie ride soap operas and petty squabbles from the same-old same-old crew that seem to be the MO here in this forum.
We are talking about thousands of possible fields. And pretty much one guy who made it happen.
So it merits more than a pat "oh, we talked about that already" and then back to "he said she said dave brown sux!" pointless prattle...

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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER

So?
I see it as much more important than most of the kiddie ride soap operas and petty squabbles from the same-old same-old crew that seem to be the MO here in this forum.
We are talking about thousands of possible fields. And pretty much one guy who made it happen.
So it merits more than a pat "oh, we talked about that already" and then back to "he said she said dave brown sux!" pointless prattle...

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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER

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Say...here's another question...how many of you guys are actually DOING anything positive for AMA and model aviation? I hear a lot of guys here complaining about how bad AMA and their elected officials are, but for the life of me, I don't see anybody actually DOING anything but complaining.
Or is that just my imagination?

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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger


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It isn't your imagination, but prolly more a matter of limitations on your field of view. For example in your reply to Steve, you were preaching to a member of the choir. Not only does the nature of his contact with the environmental agencies put him in a very good position to know what he talking about, It happens that the venue of some of his R/C activity is a closed landfill. Said landfill was acquired for that purpose many years before anyone at AMA went looking for them. It was a local association of clubs, and a lot of legwork by principals in that organization, that did it. I guess you could say it was of immediate benefit to model aviation, and AMA happens to benefit as a byproduct. BTW, I like the AMA official (DVP) that I get to vote for, and some others too..... actually, I think it may be most others after the last election cycle.

Abel

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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER

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Wrong.
I don't see THOSE guys hanging out HERE.
Secondup...neither Joe nor Wes are "staff." Neither of them get PAID. And Joe, at least, does not even come CLOSE to submitting all his expenses. And the position was created just to help him have a little more legitimacy to his efforts.
I don't know Bill Lee. Bob Underwood and Don Lowe have certainly put in THEIR time making things happen.

But what about these people who just sit on their duffs online and just pick away at the efforts of others?

You know who I am talking about. Maybe the lion's share of posters in this forum. A lot of hot air, no action.

But they have NO problem dismissing many years of efforts by others as "oh, we already talked about that..."
Five posts about THIS...securing hundreds of fields... and six hundred about some DVD club thing?

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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER

How many Superfund sites are suitable? I dunno. I know plenty are just what you say, a single building and lot. But I think there are QUITE a lot more than "a few dozen" sites suitable for model airplanes.
Don't confuse the Superfund sites with normal landfill sites, different thing.
And Joe has been talking to THOSE people, too. He has given several presentations to the Amercan Federation of Waste Managers(or whoever they are called...the professional association of the guys who own and operate landfills), he seems to be making great progress in that direction, too.
Landfills are perfect for model fields. It's a match made in heaven. I dunno about soccer moms wanting their kids to play on landfills, nor treehuggers wanting to make them into open space, I've never heard of that. I've flown on a few landfill sites, and the guys in those clubs said pretty clearly that nobody wanted that land they were on.

I wonder if some of the negative energies in this forum might be channeled towards something better?
While some people talk and talk, others do and do.

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Good stuff. When you actually go down to the field, as opposed to this forum, you usually get a very, very different perspective than the one presented here. And the elections show that, too.
There have been a few landfills made into fields already, of course, but here is a mechanism put into place wherin a club looking for a field can find out exactly where such suitable facilities are, and a conduit to speak to the right people, and a proven track record of how it's done, from the national level...thereby eliminating most of that legwork you're talking about.

Also...we are talking about two different things. Landfills in general...and Superfund sites, most of which are not landfills...

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I think you are the one confused or are at least mixing your statements. The only mechanism in place (and it's really just a MOU) is with the EPA for Superfund sites. Geez I think that's what you started this thread with. Even though Joe is working with the landfill folks, it may be a while before anything is in place with them. Track record? what proven track record. AFAIK, no new sites have yet resulted from Joe's efforts.

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