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Old 10-26-2010, 04:46 PM
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No way I sell this baby, but if you like you can fly it anytime you like next season.
Come on next season.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
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I found a little time today to finish shrinking the covering on the wings. Mount the servos and seal the hinge gaps.
I did something different this time and used some hinge tape that we use on foamies to seal the gaps.I figure its better then trying to match colors and should be stronger then ultracoat.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:20 PM
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I found a little time today to finish shrinking the covering on the wings. Mount the servos and seal the hinge gaps.
I did something different this time and used some hinge tape that we use on foamies to seal the gaps.I figure its better then trying to match colors and should be stronger then ultracoat.
That's a great idea, and I happen to have a ton of that tape; remnants from my recent surgery.
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I have to say that I like the tailwheel set up on this plane a lot. This is the first time I got this stile of tail wheel. It is straight forward and easy to mount. No coil springs to mess with.
I got the switches and the gas tank mounted and plumbed. I changed the tank to a bigger 24 oz. tank. The smaller 20 oz would have been better for 3D but I like to play it safe and bad thing has happened to my planes when they run out of gas in the wrong places. Did you guys notice that that has happened to me more then once.[:@]
Looks like tomorrow is going to be the engine mounting exercise.
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Man, I have the best customers in the world! Tom, thanks for getting this going, and everyone else for watching on. PS, Tom, you are picky... no bottom screws even, lol! You know, you could have just done the 4 main screws and left those off. It would have held it as is.

If you have any quesitons let me know. PS, you will be putting your batteries all the way up I'm guessing. The sbachs tend to have more weight in the tail then some others I've flown.

I would love to get some sukhoi's Raf -, but it's one project at a time. Speaking of which - I'm looking to get 1 or 2 more 30cc planes in the late winter early spring. These will be Redwing Planes through and through. We are trying to decide which. I'm thinking I may do an MXSR. Maybe another batch of Sbachs with new mods and color schemes. Anyone like Yellow!?

Anyway, if you guys have suggestions or ideas feel free to let us know. I would love to get your input.

Hey Tim: A MXSR....WOW, I am there dude, and in yellow, you just hit my sweet spot. Check my [link=http://converseeagles.org/]website[/link] home page bottom for photo of Nigel Lambs Red Bull pony. You better start stocking some Breitling decals set if you are bringing the MXSR. BTW I added your intro video of the MX2 as well as TJ hucking the MX to the home page and placed a link to your home in our links page.
Best for him not to mess with the Breitling decals it will get him in a world of trouble from my understanding.
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I herd someone got into trouble for using their scheme.
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please fill me in on what you heard?????
Old 10-27-2010, 10:22 PM
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Man, I have the best customers in the world! Tom, thanks for getting this going, and everyone else for watching on. PS, Tom, you are picky... no bottom screws even, lol! You know, you could have just done the 4 main screws and left those off. It would have held it as is.

If you have any quesitons let me know. PS, you will be putting your batteries all the way up I'm guessing. The sbachs tend to have more weight in the tail then some others I've flown.

I would love to get some sukhoi's Raf -, but it's one project at a time. Speaking of which - I'm looking to get 1 or 2 more 30cc planes in the late winter early spring. These will be Redwing Planes through and through. We are trying to decide which. I'm thinking I may do an MXSR. Maybe another batch of Sbachs with new mods and color schemes. Anyone like Yellow!?

Anyway, if you guys have suggestions or ideas feel free to let us know. I would love to get your input.

Hey Tim: A MXSR....WOW, I am there dude, and in yellow, you just hit my sweet spot. Check my [link=http://converseeagles.org/]website[/link] home page bottom for photo of Nigel Lambs Red Bull pony. You better start stocking some Breitling decals set if you are bringing the MXSR. BTW I added your intro video of the MX2 as well as TJ hucking the MX to the home page and placed a link to your home in our links page.
Best for him not to mess with the Breitling decals it will get him in a world of trouble from my understanding.
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I herd someone got into trouble for using their scheme.

I believe the paint scheme can't be copyrighted, now...... the Breitling name and logo, that's a different issue. It's up to the individual modeler to use any specific set of decals essential to reproduce a scale copy of any aircraft he chooses without the requirement of paying for a single user copyright fee. On the other hand selling the name and logo with the airplane kit may require permission from the owner (Breitling) which may elect to provide it free as a promotional gratuity or may demand a licensing fee. For example Red Bull doesn't charges for these type of use of their name and logos, on the other hand some other promoters do require licensing. A few years ago there was some major controversy discussed on the AMA magazine on this topic because even Cessna Aircraft Co. was demanding and enforcing licensing agreements on their name being used on any type of toys and model aircraft's manufactured.

Check out this 40% Yak a Canadian fellow was exhibiting at the Windsor Air Races, and I don't think he received any hassle neither from Breitling and or the Nigel Lamb racing team. I hope I am not opening Pandoras Box, this is just my understanding. Please correct me if I am wrong.


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Old 10-28-2010, 09:30 AM
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Who's Pandora?
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please fill me in on what you heard?????
I heard that some manufacturer got into trouble for using a breitling scheme without getting permission first.
It was just talk. No first hand info. I was hoping someone actually knew what happened cause I like the scheme.
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i would think that they would enjoy the free advertising that we do for them !!!! maybe they can pay us for having their logo's on our planes ???? turnabout is fair play in my book!!!! if fact until my dream sponsor shows up with my free ride i'll leave them off!!!!!
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Who's Pandora?
Some crazy Greek lady
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i would think that they would enjoy the free advertising that we do for them !!!! maybe they can pay us for having their logo's on our planes ???? turnabout is fair play in my book!!!! if fact until my dream sponsor shows up with my free ride i'll leave them off!!!!!
I agree. As business people say "one hand washes the other". Or maybe I should remove my avatar until I check with Yakovlev...hummm?
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My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.

Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.

Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
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The first installment for today is the engine. I ended up using the provided drill jig and the spinner came out close enough on location. We did have to cut some relief on the bottom of the fire wall for the pits muffler. As you can see Bob was cleaning up the saw dust from the fuse.
Yeah we had the ports and the carb taped off.
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Second installment was fitting the cowl. That took some doing. Me engine needs 2 1/2" Standoffs on this plane. If I did that Id have to cut some more clearance for the muffler and the back of the carb. As of now I have a 1/4" gap between the cowl and the back of the spinner. I much prefer that the factory move the firewall back and let me shim the Standoffs forward. Ill work on the clearances some more so all I have to do is change standoffs when the time comes. I'm going to leave it the way it is for now. I don't know how the DLE fits but a D/A would have the same issues that the YD-A has. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out to make things fit. When I put the plane on the ground you couldn't hardly tell the difference.
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on the dle-55 i used evolution 50 mm standoffs one 1/8 wood spacer and glued the 1/8 da pattern on the firwall to get a 2-1/4 spacing in turn gave me a 1/8 gap between the spinner and cowl the stock dle standoffs are 2-5/8 long and would have had a 1/4 to 3/8 gap at the spinner
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Looks good Tom. You sure did make a lot of dust today. I almost wore out your leaf blower.
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Looks good Tom. You sure did make a lot of dust today. I almost wore out your leaf blower.
No! You just like to play with power tools.
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I got the ignition, ignition batterie and the opto kill mounted. Pictures tomorrow.
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on the dle-55 i used evolution 50 mm standoffs one 1/8 wood spacer and glued the 1/8 da pattern on the firwall to get a 2-1/4 spacing in turn gave me a 1/8 gap between the spinner and cowl the stock dle standoffs are 2-5/8 long and would have had a 1/4 to 3/8 gap at the spinner
Looks like the back set is pretty much the same as the YD-A. Mine also came with 2 5/8 standoffs. Will get some standoffs machined to the right size when Time and my friend allows me to use my old lathe.
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We had the first freeze of the season last night. Still mot as bad as Minnesota or Washington St.
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Up here in Minnesota, we've had a hard freeze the last two nights. Last night, I believe it got down to 22° F.

We also had an inch of snow on the ground earlier this week- thankfully it already melted, but it will be here to stay soon enough!
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I finished up the muffler clearance this morning. I caped the clearance with some 1/32" ply. That will keep things covered and make things stronger. I also put some wood screws for pining the firewall and glued them in for for extra strength.

Getting closer.
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Here are the pictures I should have took last night of the ignition and the Opto Kill.
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