Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth
Any questions come up when trying to balance it?
I have read some comments elsewhere stating that 1 to 2 pounds of lead was needed to balance at the suggested place.
Maybe the Hangar 9 folks can add a word here....
Has anyone else assembled one of these?
Any questions come up when trying to balance it?
I have read some comments elsewhere stating that 1 to 2 pounds of lead was needed to balance at the suggested place.
Maybe the Hangar 9 folks can add a word here....
Put a bigger engine up front W/a (heavy) nylon prop & brass spinner nut.The nylon prop will make for lower reliable idle RPM.
That should help.
Also, if the elevator servos are mounted in the tail (close to the stab) like some Tigermoth ARFs I've seen, move them forward & use Sullivan nylon pushrods.
I have yet to have to add lead tp a plane to balance it out.
A very high percentage of the planes I have either built (kits) or assembles (ARFs) and the count is well over 250 in the last 30 years, have NOT required any lead to balance.
BTW, I got out my ruler, pencil and paper and calculator and did fore figuring about the CGon the H9 20cc Tiger Moth.
According to my findings, the CG listed in the instructions (6.625" to 7") is about the 26% to28%point on the wing, very conservative.
However, My plane balances at about 9.5" back of the leading edge, without adding any weight,which comes out to be the 38.5% point, very dangerous.
I found that 20 ounces of weight could be added on the top of the motor box to balance at the 30% point (7.3")and still not interfere with the cowl.
I used lead shot mixed with epoxy, poured into a balsa sided tray that was sandedto fit the cowl. I didn't want to bolt lead piecesto the motor mount.
Also, 33% is 7.85" back for those who want to be a little aggressive.
Those sanded areas on the side of the engine box allow the cowl to clear without hitting the box.
Also, I can't tell from your picture but can you put the Ignition and Rx batteries both on the motor box instead of lead?
If 4 ounces is gonna stop me from flying, I'd better quit now.
Both the Ignition and receiver batteries are just behind the firewall and there is zero room for them any further forward
Maybe a heavy hub will do a little, but I have both the metal spinner from the kit and a Tru-Turn that was sent.
Also, what batteries are you using, perhaps bigger capacity would help. Its still gonna add the weight, but a bigger battery is better than dead weight to me that gets me no benefit.
20 ounces is crazy!
Moving the engine 1/4" forward would do practically nothing to the balance of the plane.
Since this is being used for a magazine review, I will be using the EVO 26cc gas engine.
The elevator servos are actually forward of the CG, as are the batteries. Not much in the tail at all.
I'll check the CG tonight and report back.
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"Guys I have been watching this thread a little and have been concerned about you having to add weight to the nose. I went to a lot of trouble to keep everything up in the nose and the tail as light as possible to ensure you would not have to add nose weight, or in worse cases very little nose weight.
I talked to Dick yesterday and he also had to add a substantial amount of weight. (Nice job on the ballast Dick).
For reference 4 pre production and one production kit was built and flown before we shipped, none had nose weight. As you can imagine how I felt when the first few kits that have been built by consumers we having to add excessive amounts of lead, I was pretty disappointed to say the least.
Well last night I pulled mine down of the wall ( the one I was flying at Joe Nall) and did a C of G check. Sure enough, the numbers in the manual are 1” too far forward. Mine is currently flying at exactly 8” measuring back from the LE of the dummy fuel tank, and I have flown it 3/8” further back than that. So the manual should read, C of G is 7 5/8” – 8 1/4'”.
Guys I sincerely apologize for my error, and I hope this comes as good news as you should be able to remove some if not all the lead from the nose"
Kind regards
Peter Goldsmith
OK Tiggie Builders. Start chiseling off that noseweight!!!
Thanks sir.
It looks like the standard 17 oz Hangar 9 tank I have found the sullivan round tank 12 oz fits right in the same cradle as the H9 17 ounce tank, should be plenty for 26cc gas installation. On my Funtana 125 with a DLE20 this has worked perfect with the smaller sullivan 12 oz round tank, 15 minute flights and almost a 1/3 tank left when I land.