185skywagon

I ended up getting a VVRC engine for this cub. To the guys using this engine, what props are you running ? I wouldn't mind as small as I could to keep good scale but then don't want to be too small / greater pitch to make it difficult to taxi and slow down in the air being such a powerful motor.

I see one guy above using the standard standoffs, is that the common consensus ?

corvettez06

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That is a lot of engine for this plane. Anyway, I have two of the VVRC 40 in other aircraft. I am running a 20x8 Xoar on both. It does very well with that prop. Incredible engine.

BarracudaHockey

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It's a quite good match actually especially if you're going to put floats on.

marksp

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Xoar 20x8. Used stand offs included with engine. The only downside to this setup is its a bit loud. Yesterday I was measured at 89.6 db @ 25'

185skywagon

Thanks for the replies. Anyone used an 18" prop on this engine ?

BarracudaHockey

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It really needs more load than an 18" prop. To keep the rpm in a reasonable range I had to run a 20x9 Falcon and that prop makes over 24 pounds of thrust. Throw an 18 on there and you're going to over rev it and make a lot of prop racket.

Thats just my 2 cents, YMMV

bladebender

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You are talking vv twin right

BarracudaHockey

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Yes, I reviewed it for Fly RC two years ago.

althepal88

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This engine idles so low that the 20-8 and the 20-10 props won't drag it around needlessly. I have tried the 19-10 prop, and it works well, also. The only time I broke a prop was on a hard landing with stock landing gear. I have upgraded to the PR Bushwheels struts and have had no problems since. Also, when I throttle back to idle when landing; the plane really slows down. It is critical to get the idle down low.

Whiskey Bravo

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Can someone advise what brand and size you are using for wing bags and best place to purchase same for our PA18. Thanks.

bikerbc

I am using kids sleeping bags that I got at Wal Mart

marksp

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Wingtote (double) for me.

185skywagon

Well I had a successful maiden flight a few evenings ago. Does what it says on the tin. Got to work out some optimum elevator to flap mixes because man there are some pitch changes !

It's running a VVRC 40 (lovely and smooth), 19x10 prop, 6" wheels and those upgraded shock struts from Alaska. Very happy.

hairy46

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Very nice! I'm just getting ready to add floats to a 40 size cub, I still have the 90 inch wing one on floats to maiden , have. 5 to maiden this year when work and the wind works together!

RC_AVIGATOR

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what brand prop and where did your prop decals?

185skywagon

Its a Biela prop, thats how it came. Its a scheme they had available to order along with many others. I also got one with in the Hamilton Standard scheme for a P-51 at the same time. Ordered from Biela direct.

55plymguy

Just a follow up to say that this is an easy flying float plane for sure... I came off a Flyzone Beaver as my first float plane, and this is really easy on takeoff and landing! Here is a link to the maiden.... https://youtu.be/z7nknmmK5VU If you can fly a foam float plane you will love this plane on floats!!!

As great as this plane flys, a tribute to a great design with the exception of the floats (more on that next post), I had the same experience as a few others here in that there are way too many quality control issues with a PNP $1200 airplane:
*Evolution engine had bad con rod needle bearing... I measured .007 clearance half way through the recommended break-in...10 days later after a flubbed shipping option (I checked Overnight return and Horizon sent regular :-( Replacement has run flawless
*3 windows were not properly glued and were flapping in the wind by the end of the first flight
* wingtip light lens really weak. cracked with first bump
*tail bracing really cheap and 2 of the 4 broke during assy
*ignition on/off/charge jack failed on 3rd outing
* starboard flap mount box broke free of wing structure 3rd flight and flap was just dangling there by the hinges. Got it on the ground safely. I found very little glue on this joint!
*One of the Pre-glued hinges on the port elevator was not glued parallel to the other 2 so during travel it would bind. Luckily the glue job was not good and I was able to get it out and reglued.
*Premounted Fuel fill location was down right dangerous... right beside the muffler within about 2mm. Had to move to top of cowl
*1st flight on wheels, one of the main wheels flew off in mid flight!!! ***? no threadlock what so ever on the collar
* hatches on hanger 9 floats are poorly engineered for something approaching $300. I had to slather on a huge amount of silcone to slow the leaks around the hatches which ruined the scale looks

OK, as PO'd as I was for buying a PNP and having all these issues... this is a nice flying plane!

Below are pics of a billet aluminum o-ringed front hatch seal I turned retaining the stock 4-40 screws, and double sealed aluminum servo hatch seals.... all looking a lot better than the stock stuff while letting in zero water.
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psnpobmnff.jpg
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psm9pemwjd.jpg

flycatch

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You do realize that your evaluation is honest and too the point. Most people fix these issues and never complain. I made a comment about this airframe having positive incidence factory built into the horizontal stabilizer. This design was intentional to get the tail off the ground quickly and that it does.

55plymguy

Hi flycatch...I think I understood your comment. The overall point I was trying to make is that these minor issues (except the engine...10 days for a customer who spent a sizable chunk of money to get a working motor?) Could be addressed so easily at the manufacturing level, why not? Where ever Horizon/hanger 9 is having these made (china?), these types of defects could be illiminated if more customers spoke up.
And in the case of the design flaws on the $300 floats...that was just flat out poor engineering....

flycatch

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H9 offers a wide variety of ARFs but I'm beginning to believe no two airframes are alike. I purchased their Taylor Craft ARF and the fuselage was twisted. I shimmed the stab and flew it this way until I was offered a price I couldn't refuse. The Super Cub I still have and enjoy its' realism in-flight. Remember the phrase "you get what you pay for" well that does not apply to H9 ARFs.

55plymguy

Agreed, quality is hit or miss. I've been a mechanical/manufacturing engineer for 35+ years and that is one advantage the west still has over asia... If you are going to do it, you might as well try to do it right. Honestly, it makes me cringe every time I see a "made in china" label. I never know if it is going to last once, or 1000 cycles. If I did it again I would surely buy the ARF...

flycatch

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Just keep in mind we said the same thing about Japan. I started in this hobby using an American made "RS" system and then went to "Kraft". Both "Kraft" and "RS" had their problems and both companies finally folded. Who took up the void JR an Futaba. My JR 10X radios' are bullet proof and I have been using them going on 15 years. I also have a JR 9303 and 9503 both on 2.4ghz. China has taken the easy out on both quality and cloning other systems. Just wait and see that China will in the near future produce quality products similar to the Japanese.

55plymguy

There is a major MAJOR difference between China and Japan... Japan'S rise to manufacturing excellence was based on the teachings of a quality format taught to them by an American named Demings. The Japanese culture embraced his manufacturing principles including statistical process control and used this in a capitalist economy. I am not sure a communist based society like China'S will ever put as much value on quality, but may be wrong.
Funny story but I assure true... I went through 3 $6 garden hose nozzles from Walmart before I got so fed up with buying them...all made in China, I went to my local industrial supply 5 years ago and paid $18 for a solid brass model made in USA and it will out last me.
Sometimes we Americans buy based on price alone... not considering we may get a better product produced domestically, all the while putting higher paying blue collar jobs back in this country and supporting our middle class instead of china's....now if I can only find a usa made radio :-) point well taken though!

flycatch

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American products were manufactured with design obsolescent. This was intentionally done to create an aftermarket industry and Americans employed. To support my premise the auto manufacture "Ford" was called by some "fix or repair daily" this was not in jest but true. Another example would be in the electronic industry were everything sold had an expiration date and eventually broke and needed repair. Thus again employing thousands of repair technicians. This mind set of industry
changed thanks to our politicians and corporate greed.

55plymguy

Although I am not a Ford fan, my brother's 2002 Ford F-250 has 445,xxx miles on the original motor. He is a banker and this is his hobby farm truck... not the type to maintain anything well. The 1955 Plymouth on my profile pic I've owned for 20 years and have done nothing more than an adjustment to the original 6V voltage regulator. It kills me when I hear "no maintenance bearing"... Even the generator on the '55 has a oil cup for the internal bearing!
I think you and I see the same thing... the underlying change in the USA seems to be the CEO's who are only concerned with the amount of cash in their pocket, without regard of what their actions do to the middle class here. If they can manufacturer in another country with less expense, their share holders make more dividends and their salary and corporate worth go up... unfortunately at the expense of the American worker who used to have that job. Now that worker my find a new job, as our current leaders would like us to believe, but it may likely be serving Mcdonalds hamburgers. To put it bluntly, I wonder if it is such a good idea to trust the politicians to be any sort of police in the matter, when a large portion of their campaign contributions come from those corporations.
The US is the largest consumer in the world.. according to most, it drives the world economy... If we started demanding more quality from the products we buy, not concerned so much with the price, maybe we can affect our own outcome?