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Old 11-05-2012, 08:26 PM
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Default Seagull Model Cessna 337 ARF

Hey Guys;
This may not be the right place to post this question, but, have anyone heard any news that Seagull Model is coming out with the Cessna 337 ARF. If so, that will be sweet!!!
Any info will be a great help!!
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:32 AM
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There is information on it on the Seagull web site.
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Here it is,

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...-46-arf-SEA146

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alex24 & RCVFR;
Thanks for the info. I do like this model!!!
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Hi Guys.
The due date for the Seagull Cessna 337 ARF is late January of 2013, but Horizon Hobby is taking pre-order now!!!
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They are in stock now!

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...-46-arf-SEA146
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They are in stock now!

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...-46-arf-SEA146
Thanks alex24!! Just place my order!!!
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This model is not a Cessna 337. Cessna came out first with the 336 that had fixed gear. The 336 originally had wheel pants. The next year they came out with the 337 that had retractable gear. They can call it what they want but without retracts its a 336. KMP calls his a 337 also but its not.
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Mooney;
You are right!! Having flight time in the C-336 and 337, I enjoy flying the 337 more. To me the C-336 was a pig and I think that why Cessna did not make to many more of them. But when they came out with the C-337P, more people fell in love with it. My plans with this model is to drop retract in her. Can not wait to see this model and see mod I have to do to drop in retracts. I have a friend who have a C-337P and when he call me to see if I want to fly her, I beat him to his hangar!!! If I remember right, the C-336 was drop in between C-310 and the C-340. I can be wrong!!
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:57 PM
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Hi All;
Well Big Brown just left this at my door. I took a few pictures to let everyone see this Seagull Model. To not start a fight about the model number, let's call it by its name The Skymaster!!!
As you can see, this is a very nice model!! I do see nav lights in both wings and it look like they may have some in the tail!! Will do more looking tomorrow. I will do a build thread on this when I get a spot open on the work table. One thing they did add was a pilot and a scale cockpit lay-out. Like I said, I will do a build thread on this, but, if you have any question about this model, please post and I will do my best to answer!!
Merry Xmas, everyone!!!
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I think the 336 with wheel pants looks pretty cool.
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most planes just look more serious with pants on
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A buddy and I will be assembling/building one of these this winter. We have been waiting many months for the US release and he just received his yesterday. He has a half dozen of Seagull's ARF's and they are of good quality with spare parts being available at a decent price. We both had been wanting to build the old Royal Skymaster for decades, but when we saw this released, it was a no brainer. This ARF can be bought for about the same price that an old Royal kit would cost now, if you can find one.

First impressions...
Build quality is good. Structure is strong and lightweight.
Fiberglass and paintwork is good.
Covering on wing center section is rough, with fillets needing special attention.
Red trim is not iron on, it's a stick on lightweight vinyl type covering.
Rear tank is too low to provide adequate fuel flow and consistent needle settings.
Rear tank as pictured in instruction manual is backwards. Clunk should be towards rear of plane.
Rear spinner is 1/2" too small for cowl, should be 2 3/4".
Rear cowl fit is not the best, top sticks up approx 1/4" above scoop.
Cooling to rear engine could be an issue, although the top scoop is functional.
Most hardware is included and of good quality and can be used as is.
Fully removable cockpit floor is pre-painted and hides all radio gear.
Removable front hatch section fits well, but needs dowel pinned up front.
Lighting kit is a nice addition and looks to be well thought out, but 'some assembly required'.
Wing locating dowl pins could stand to be longer for removable outboard wing panels.
All necessary parts for electric conversion are included.

We will be making several changes not limited to the following...
Removing all red and gold striping and re-trimming with two tone green scheme (since changed to Red Bull scheme; 12-8-12). Center section will be 'cleaned up' as well.
Top scoop will be opened up and side vents added as per full scale 336 and will be functional to aid in rear engine cooling.
Rear tank will be turned around and raised as high as possible to allow it to be near the carb center line.
Addition of wheel pants to make it a real Cessna 336. Available parts list show them as discontinued for this model.
We plan to use Magnum .52 four strokes (depending on final AUW).
Wing dowls will be replaced with longer ones (were found to be not glued in from factory; 12-20-12).


I'll add more as I think of it, but despite the work, this should end up being a real head turner and we are excited to have something different to take to the field this spring. I'll keep you guys updated as my schedule allows.
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HercPilot: By all means post pictures of your new scheme.
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Herc Pilot;
I agree with what you said in your post. I had some time yesterday and I pull everything out of the box for a good look over. You are so right on the rear tank, it just sit to low for my taste. Today I will re-glue all the joints in the fuse that I can get to. Over all the ARF was put together good. I will re-do the cockpit floor to make it look better. I do think they seal the wood before painting it. I will be going with two Evo's .46 that need a home!!! Like you said, this will be a head turner at my field this spring!!
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HercPilot;
I was sitting in the shop today looking at the rear tank set-up. As you know, the tank sit below the carb center line. One of my club member came over to see this arf, because he is thinking very hard to buy one!! ( I know he will!!!! ) We talk about the rear tank and his point was turn the tank around and don't worry that the tank is below the carb center line, because the fuel is force feed to the engine by pressure from the muffler. So not to start a fight with a good friend, I thank him for his in-put and I came up with what you see in the pictures. The tank now sit just about 1/16" below the carb center. The down size is the tank is in the open and it can be seen, but, I can build a box to cover the tank!!! Only thing I don't want to do is to add more weight!! See what you think!!!
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Hey Sonny,

Happy to talk to another going through the same build that we are. We spent some time last night working on it again and more planning this morning. I think your Evo 46's will be a good choice for this model and like that the firewalls are notched so you can run the stock mufflers. We had the rear tank in the same spot that you have pictured, but think ultimately we will end up cutting out the throttle servo box and putting it on the center-line on a small shelf. It will most likely be fine where you have it, but thinking our four strokes may not create as much muffler pressure as your two strokes. It will be visible like you said, but that's a small price to pay for a dependable engine run.

We were able to remove the rest of the striping. The gold was a pain because the clear would separate from the color and glue, so we had to clean it all up with dope thinner. That did the job, but made us a little loopy in the process. Below is a pic of the booms stripped down, but the covering needs tightened back up. Also included a few pics to show what I was talking about with the scoop and covering on the center section.

To complicate things even more, when looking at schemes last night, we changed out minds once again. It's now going to be mostly stripped down and re-covered as the Red Bull Skymaster pictured below. I realize it's actually a 337, but think it will look just as cool with the wheel pants. We have a lot of work ahead, but are excited about the color change. I'll be sure to post more pics as we make our way through the re-build.

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Got a lot done today! Three of us working on parts and pieces, so we took the best ideas and moved forward.

We removed almost all the covering except where it will remain white. The build job looks good, but the final prep could have used more attention. Example, the wing tips are built up and VERY thin. After covering was removed, there were visible cracks in them. You would not want to let the wing panel rest on the tip so be careful.

Decided to run more lighting. The existing LED's in the wings are white, so these will be used for the strobes and we ran colored LED's for nav lights. Also, we cut channels in the tail booms and wired them both up for the strobes on the bottom of the fins plus the nav light on the top of the right fin. We then filled the grooves we cut back up with balsa which made for a clean job.

We opened up the air scoop up top. Will do a lot more with ducting and flowing air to the rear engine before it's over.

We found that none of the locating dowl pins in the wing center section were glued in. This was good for us since we wanted them to stick out a little more and were replacing them anyway, but you may want to check and make sure yours are glued in if you plan to leave them as is. One of ours pushed inside the wing on a trial mock up.

Also, the front tank is quite low as well. We will probably make a tray to raise it up and hollow out the bottom of the hatch up front to get it closer to the center-line as well as the rear.

My buddy, Larry, found an instrument panel from a 182 and modified it to fit. He also had a Robart nose gear strut we will be using that should work great for this model and will add to the realism. I think he want's to opt-out on the wheel pant idea and 'pretend' he has retracts. If anyone does put retracts in with success, let us know. I'd like to see how it turns out.
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A few more pics...

Next up... rear engine mounting!
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Adam;
Make sue you put pins in the front hatch. I did that to mine today and the fit is better. I love what you are your friend are doing with this bird!! Now for the retract. I have search all the RC forum to see if any had come out with a set of retract for this bird, but have not anything yet. The plane will look very good with the gears up!! All the dowels on my ARF was not glue in, so you are right!! Make I ask, what servos are you using.
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Still looking at servo's. Right now here is what I'm thinking, but open to suggestions...

Rudder - HS-85BB (x2)
Throttle - HS-311 (x2)
Ailerons, Flaps - HS-225BB (x4)
Elevator - HS-225MG (if it will fit in the center section)
Nose gear steering - HS-225MG

I'd like to have a little more torque on the elevator servo, but am probably going overkill (as I usually do). I have a Scat Kat twin with two K&B 40's that goes about 125 mph and a standard Futaba 3004 is all that I have on elevator. It works fine, so I'm sure the 225MG should be plenty. What are your thoughts on servos??? Was thinking about digital, but it's really not needed in this application, IMO.

I think we finally settled on the Magnum 52's for engines. They will be mounted on their sides and only require holes in the cowls for the rocker covers to stick out. He already has one on hand so we only need to pick up one more.
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Adam;
I think we have the same list for servos!!! Some of my club members tell me the same thing about the over kill on servos. I look at this way, I lie to be safe than sorry!! Well I did mount my two Evo .46 today. I had to change the stock front engine mount so the muffler could drop in to place. I did place the front cowling over the engine and the engine is cover with the muffler in place. Right now it look like I just have to a hole for the glow plug and high speed needle, but that down the road. Still looking where to place the front tank, as you know it sit low. Maybe this plane was set up for engine with a fuel pump!!! I still think this is going to be a fun flying bird in the spring!!
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Sonny,

Glad we are both on the same page with servos. We will probably get them ordered this week. I'm going back over tomorrow night and hope to get the rear engine mounted and start trying to figure out how to keep it cool. Looks like you are moving along nicely. I'm glad your engines will fit inside the cowls. At this rate, you are going to be done long before we are!

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Adam;
Got some work done on the fuse today as you can see. I know you will change the stock nose gear for a Robart gear. I found my stock is bent 1/16" to the left. I hope you can see it in the front shot of the fuse!! The mount is square all the way around for the nose gear, but check yours just in case!!! For right now I will go with the front as see in the pictures. If the muffler pressure is not enough to feed the engine, it will be move!! The push rods are in for the nose wheel and the front throttle!! I think I will open up the air scope some more. Not only to keep the engine cool, but, also get air to the crab. May have to come up with a air scope on the side of the cowling just to feed air into the carb. Over all I do love this kit and I know it will be a joy to fly next spring. Like your-self, I have to order the servos too!!! Keep me posted on your build!! Still can not find any retract for this bird. It would look so good with the gear up!!!
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