robert85614

Hello,
I bought a Nexstar Trainer in december. I have had an instructer with me on each of my 20 flights and have made 5 t/o and no landings. everyone loves my plane especilly me.
The covering is coming off! i have cleaned it with alchol, used heat gun, iron, ca thin , clear shipping tape, testors plastic, wood to metal, sealent, no sticking results. please help this born again flyer. I crashed my last control line model in 1957 and I am as thrilled with the products available today. Love it as much as when I was an 8 year old and my mom helped me build my first model from cardboard tissue and rubberbands.
All suggestions will be welcome.
Thank you.

mrbigg

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i know the white is not Monokote for sure. someone at our field patched theirs with it and it doesn't match.

robert85614

Thank you for your quick response.
Got an idea for an adhesive for the repair?

mrbigg

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desertpig would probaly know for sure. i'm guessing maybe balsarite (from Coverite) as an adhesive. it's usually used for coating the airframe before covering for better adhesion.

robert85614

Thanks for the tip. I will look for it in my hobby Store.

Dewey2

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if its on a seam acetone will stick it down for good

blackbaron

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I agree with Desetpig about the Ultracoat. I used to be a die-hard monokote fan and wouldn't ever think of using anything else. I bought some ultracoat to match my new Seagull Zero and I couldn't believe how much easier it is to apply. It shrinks alot easier and I can apply it over corners and stretch it without getting wrinkles. This is really hard to do with monokote. What I like best about ultracoat is the backing. It is so easy to remove. When you cut small pieces of monocote, not only is the backing difficult to remove but it is hard to tell which side needs to be peeled.

mrbigg

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i agree on the backing . plus it's easier to draw your pattern on. i've used ultracoat on one plane and it seems to sag quite a bit and needs reshrinking every so often. i followed the directions on the roll, so i don't know if this is normal or not. it seems to need reshrunk alot more than monokote.

drumbum

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Ive been using Monocoat since 1982 somewhere around the 90s they changed it ever so slightly to what it is today.. I still love it but it will not go around corners as EASy as it used to but still does yery good.. I used Ultracote once when Goldberg had the rights. and i used it once recently to repair where it is coming off my funtana... I like the way it shrinks and will go around corners but the stick leaves something to be desired.. If i build a plane i use balsarite. That is also what i used to get the ultracote to stick better

robert85614

Thank you!

Acetone (the wife's nail polish remover) did a great job.

DENNIS C

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Boy you can say that again this covering "SUCKS" it seems like you cant do anything with this junk.


76-ta did you get your recovered yet

76.ta

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bodymann ,
I got it ready to cover but I have been real busy with my RC business (H.P.Pilots)
So my planes have to wait.
Roy
www.hppilots.com

IronCross

This must be the junk that my Global Decathlon is covered with... It is garbage... Seems brittle, have a couple of splits where I guess the tail flexed... I tried patching it with Ultracote and as soon as the iron (set real low) touches it the stuff wrinkles up like a prune... I pulled a piece off and had a clear piece of plastic in my hand... All the color stayed stuck to the wood... This is a great flying plane but that covering is a real deal breaker for me...

famousdave

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Yep.. that's China Kote. I will never buy another plane covered with it... I hope those who build ARFs are reading this!

DP

IronCross

I won't either... The better ARF's still seem to be using Ultracote or Monokote fourtunatly.. Any feed back on the new WM covering yet ?...

76.ta

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I have said this before and i will say it again. I would pay extra if I had the option of a plane covered in monokote instead of the cheap junk china coat. I expect this junk on an ARF of 100.00 or less. But if i spend any more money than that unless it has monokote I will not be purchasing it. I take that back. I won't buy any plane ever that has this cheap stuff on it.
$630.00 for a chip hyde double vision and it came with this crud.
I could of built a kit in all the time this stuff has cost me.
Roy

IronCross

Sure would not expect that stuff on a Chip Hyde plane would you.... Dang

famousdave

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You really have to ask and demand to know what it is. There are more than few of the better suppliers that are putting this stuff on and when you call if they say "they think its ultracote" RED FLAG. They would know for sure what their planes are covered with. I got this line from BME. Now I will get it in writing in the email and when it comes with this crap I will get a refund.

If you are an average ARF person and don't care if your covering is not perfect, you may not care what its covered with. If you have built planes and want yours to look perfect every time it goes to the field like I do. you will absolutely hate it. If you like to customize - FORGET IT!

What really stinks about it is even if you want to by an ARF with this crap on it and strip it, it still is not a good option as the junk is so bad it literally takes hours and hours to remove it....

I guess I am stuck building my planes from now on!!
DP

IronCross

Unfortunatly even the "average" ARF flyer is going to have to do a repair sooner or later... Then the fun begins... What a pain...

DENNIS C

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I hope chip reads this thread....but i dought it he barley read's his own forumn's but its a shame to pay this kind of money for an arf and you have to recover it. it really sucks.

I wish i would of know this before i got my D.V. Ijust hope the plane flys better then it looks.

famousdave

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Let's not single out Chip's planes. BME, Planes Plus, Chief Aircraft and Aeroworks all have or still do use it.

Until we ALL send a clear message that we don't want cheap covering, they will continue to use it.
And that is where the problem lies.. us experienced guys must be the small minority.

It does not appear that many are complaining about it and ChinaKote is expanding in its use, not the other way around.

It will definitely send me back to the bench.
DP

DENNIS C

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Opps ...........wasn't aware of planes plus and aero-works were using the same junk. yea i'll never buy another arf with this junk on it.

mrbigg

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is the World Models covering the china kote? i see they are selling aerworks' ultimate with the same color scheme. looks kinda suspicious.............

famousdave

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WM has used their own covering for years. I don't think it is UC or MK but from what others have told me its not bad and takes to shrinking quite well. Most all of the WM planes covering jobs I have seen looked very nice and were of pretty good quality - better than most arfs other than H9 or Kangke (both amongst the best) I have no direct experience with WM however as I don't fly glow any more so I can't tell you what's really on 'em.

I won't lump everything by PP or AW in there either. I have seen some AW planes covered in UC. I have only bought ARCs or Kits from them. I won't fly large (above 30%) planes without knowing whats under the covering first.

The best advice I can give anyone is ASK ASK ASK! to make sure you don't have it if you don't want it! A manufacturer is obligated to tell you the exact source of the covering - and the truth. There are other decent covering(s) out there but China Kote is certainly not one of them.

Don't be fooled! Out of the box it looks good, but get it near anything hot (like sun or a heat gun !) and it will soon be more wrinkled and look worse than old lady "Magda" in the movie "Something About Mary"...

DP

Smokey

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According to the manual. The World Models ultimate is covered in Toughlon "Chinakote".

Smokey