VMAR Mig 21
11-02-2005, 05:52 PM
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VMAR Mig 21
Has anyone actually flown this plane yet, I'm usually not into prop jets but this one has a decent outline, and looks pretty good. Not a bad price and retract ready. I know some people have had problems with VMAR in the past, but I'm a firm believer that people and companies can change, so I would only like this thread to be limited to direct information on this particular plane.
11-02-2005, 10:08 PM
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yes, but you would have to spend at least another $2000 for a turbine or another $800 for a ducted fan, which I enjoy flying, but its always nice to have something that is cheap and you can through in the air w/out risking thousands everytime you take off.
11-06-2005, 08:07 PM
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Hey Mugenkidd,I agree with you. I have been happy with my Cermark F-16 and flying since may with it.Just as much fun as my df planes with out any of the headachs.I have been thinking of eather the F-4 or the Mig.
11-07-2005, 05:56 AM
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1)you can easliy advoide the cigar muffler . I do it all the time on my prop jets , use a slimline pitts style muffler . Close one of the holes if you need more fule pressure .
2)becareful with vmar , I still feel they are prices very high with quality issues still lingering such as misalligned tail fins ect ect .
LOve the look of the planes but so many RCU members still report quality issues .
I dont know if Richmond RC had a walk in hobby shop but if so they would do themselves a ton of good allowing RCM members walk in firsthand "look sees" at there kits .
The new F18 looks sweet but at $299 to $329 that is steep for a "maybe ok " quality plane
2)becareful with vmar , I still feel they are prices very high with quality issues still lingering such as misalligned tail fins ect ect .
LOve the look of the planes but so many RCU members still report quality issues .
I dont know if Richmond RC had a walk in hobby shop but if so they would do themselves a ton of good allowing RCM members walk in firsthand "look sees" at there kits .
The new F18 looks sweet but at $299 to $329 that is steep for a "maybe ok " quality plane
11-07-2005, 06:07 AM
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I reason I said electric ducted fan is because other than a real turbine it would probably be a sound more suitable to a jet than a IC engine. I love the look of the model, VMAR are certainly producing nice looking planes, lets hope their quality is improving too as people have stated!
11-11-2005, 12:11 PM
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LDM
Just a quick note its not so many RCU members having problems with VMAR its the same one's over and over and over and over and over and over ad-nausium.
I have not had a problem with my VMar's, F4 Phantom and Arrow Tiger you get what you pay for, these ARTF are not that bad, just cheap.
I am proving an electric system in a 72" Extra 300L at the moment with a view to putting the whole lot in the Phantom this would get rid of the silencer problem.
Mike
Just a quick note its not so many RCU members having problems with VMAR its the same one's over and over and over and over and over and over ad-nausium.
I have not had a problem with my VMar's, F4 Phantom and Arrow Tiger you get what you pay for, these ARTF are not that bad, just cheap.
I am proving an electric system in a 72" Extra 300L at the moment with a view to putting the whole lot in the Phantom this would get rid of the silencer problem.
Mike
11-11-2005, 12:48 PM
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RE: VMAR Mig 21
I just finished assembly of the Phantom F4. The assembly and layout of this plane is a bit bizzare. With the location of the servo's and radio gear in the tail. The rudder servo has to push a pushrod close to 4 ft long and operate the rudder. With all this linkage drag the nose wheel has a centering problem. I think it will be alright but the other linkages have issues also. To exit where they do in the tail requires some odd bends to route there direction which lends itself to be a bit flimzy. Again I think it'll work but I like straight runs on pushrods. This is not my plane, I just did the build on it. If I were to do another I would replace the cleves's with something more quality. The ones supplied pinch the servo arms too much causing binding here also. Getting the control surfaces tweeked to operate smoothly required more work than the rest of the build. Of all the ARF's I've done this to me rates about a 6 on the 1-10 scale. It is unflown as of yet. Hope this helps, Walt
11-11-2005, 05:10 PM
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RE: VMAR Mig 21
I have a very good friend at my model flying club who tests 1st production VMAR models for the Australian VMAR distributor. He gets to keep what he tests (His shed is 3 deep in VMAR planes!)
He told me that of the 3 "jets," the Mig 21 flies the best, followed by the F4 and that the Skyhawk was not as easy, due to its very short fuselage.
The Mig's Delta wing makes it quite stable. However its one weak point is the colour. Not easy to see against a grey sky.
When compared to a more conventional sport model, he said that it was very similar to fly, quite stable, but a little faster. If you can handle a 4 channel, low winged, aileron model, you will have no problems with the Mig.
Good luck
Walt, the layout (servo positions etc) of the VMAR Phantom is almost identical to the layout of the now oop Great Planes F4 Phantom Kit of about 8 years ago. That kit was a big model, but a wonderful flyer. (I cannot understand why GP stopped production of their F4 or F15 kits)
I have a GP F4 Kit in storage.
He told me that of the 3 "jets," the Mig 21 flies the best, followed by the F4 and that the Skyhawk was not as easy, due to its very short fuselage.
The Mig's Delta wing makes it quite stable. However its one weak point is the colour. Not easy to see against a grey sky.
When compared to a more conventional sport model, he said that it was very similar to fly, quite stable, but a little faster. If you can handle a 4 channel, low winged, aileron model, you will have no problems with the Mig.
Good luck
Walt, the layout (servo positions etc) of the VMAR Phantom is almost identical to the layout of the now oop Great Planes F4 Phantom Kit of about 8 years ago. That kit was a big model, but a wonderful flyer. (I cannot understand why GP stopped production of their F4 or F15 kits)
I have a GP F4 Kit in storage.
11-15-2005, 05:12 AM
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RE: VMAR Mig 21
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I do not understand your comment on the rudder, my rudder servo is in the rear and the pushrod is approx 6" long, I think you mean the nose wheel stearing rod is 4'-0", Easy solution use a seperate servo for the nose wheel stearing in the belly bay, I mean there is so much room in there, I also put my Throttle servo in the bay. Elevators are on Ailivators in my programmable transmitter, helps with control at slow speed, as does flapperons, unlike most I use them to give washout to the wing when landing i.e. up not down.
Mike
I do not understand your comment on the rudder, my rudder servo is in the rear and the pushrod is approx 6" long, I think you mean the nose wheel stearing rod is 4'-0", Easy solution use a seperate servo for the nose wheel stearing in the belly bay, I mean there is so much room in there, I also put my Throttle servo in the bay. Elevators are on Ailivators in my programmable transmitter, helps with control at slow speed, as does flapperons, unlike most I use them to give washout to the wing when landing i.e. up not down.
Mike
12-07-2005, 05:11 AM
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RE: VMAR Mig 21
Hi LDM.
Sorry, just returned to this post and saw your request.
I haven't entered the world of Digital Photography yet, so unfortunately cannot post pics.
The FA18 model concerned, was a "Beta" test model suppplied by the local Aus distributor for his "tester" to evaluate. The markings were basic only.
Flying wise it was superb and looked really good. The guy testing it was very happy with it, though he did have to reset the C of G postion.
Woody
Sorry, just returned to this post and saw your request.
I haven't entered the world of Digital Photography yet, so unfortunately cannot post pics.
The FA18 model concerned, was a "Beta" test model suppplied by the local Aus distributor for his "tester" to evaluate. The markings were basic only.
Flying wise it was superb and looked really good. The guy testing it was very happy with it, though he did have to reset the C of G postion.
Woody
12-09-2005, 03:14 AM
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RE: VMAR Mig 21
Interesting LDM. My buddy who tests VMAR models here, also felt that their Jet pricing was on the high side.
In his opinion, their smaller models, such as the "Escape" are better value for money.
However since no other manufacturer, such as Great Planes with their Patriot, makes these sort of kits now, they really have no competition in this area.
I would love to see a F8 Crusader model. "The Last of the Gunfighters" is a favourite of mine.
In his opinion, their smaller models, such as the "Escape" are better value for money.
However since no other manufacturer, such as Great Planes with their Patriot, makes these sort of kits now, they really have no competition in this area.
I would love to see a F8 Crusader model. "The Last of the Gunfighters" is a favourite of mine.