Phoenix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
08-23-2011, 08:00 PM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
Those are all just the big things that I noticed. Here are two more pics showing trays that they removed. And a third showing bracing they used to replace them.
08-25-2011, 06:17 PM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
jwmav528, thanks for posting the pics. The plane has really changed, and it looks like for the better. I like the longer top hatch and how it goes all the way to the firewall. I'm flying a venerable Version 1 and it has the short hatch that was originally held on by four bolts. It's a pain to change out a fuel tank with the short hatch. Also, looks like the vertical fin is already attached to the fuse. I like that; much better than the elevator/fairing/rudder assembly on V1. Looks like it's worth the price increase. I'm eager to see what your finished weight is and how it flies. Good luck on your maiden...
09-20-2011, 05:50 PM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
I recently got myself a DLE20 and am planning to intsall it in a Phoenix Extra 330S 60-90.
I have already set this airplane up witha FS91SII last season and it required substantial nose weight to balance. Worrying that the DLE would make it nose heavy, I weighed the FS91SII + weights against the DLE20 with ignition, plug etc and found that the DLE20 set weighs 875g whereas the FS91 set weighs 888g. So the DLE20 is actually lighter. So that settles the weight issue.
I cannot use the antivibe Dubro mounts the manual recommed- those are just too heavy. Instead I planned to use the GP adjustable 2-piece mounts. I initially thought the 1.08-120 size would be sufficient but they are not wide enough. I have to the 1.20-1.80 ones. There is a 5mm difference in the mounting holes from the stock holes in the firewall, so I plan to gring out 2mm from each side of the screw hole. Is this the right mount to use?
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXATG7&P=ML
If you number the screws 1 to 4 in clockwise direction, I can fit 1 and 3 but not 2 & 4 without ant modification
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I have already set this airplane up witha FS91SII last season and it required substantial nose weight to balance. Worrying that the DLE would make it nose heavy, I weighed the FS91SII + weights against the DLE20 with ignition, plug etc and found that the DLE20 set weighs 875g whereas the FS91 set weighs 888g. So the DLE20 is actually lighter. So that settles the weight issue.
I cannot use the antivibe Dubro mounts the manual recommed- those are just too heavy. Instead I planned to use the GP adjustable 2-piece mounts. I initially thought the 1.08-120 size would be sufficient but they are not wide enough. I have to the 1.20-1.80 ones. There is a 5mm difference in the mounting holes from the stock holes in the firewall, so I plan to gring out 2mm from each side of the screw hole. Is this the right mount to use?
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXATG7&P=ML
If you number the screws 1 to 4 in clockwise direction, I can fit 1 and 3 but not 2 & 4 without ant modification
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09-21-2011, 08:13 AM
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These are what I normally use on mine for mounts, They worked well but of course I used a webra 1.20 this time around and it had an aluminum mount that came with the engine. the nylon design actually does absorb some of the vibration but not as much as a rubber mount setup of course. With mine I really do not have much vibration I use wooden blades most of the time and I have had many flights now with no issues. I closed off the original mounting holes and re drilled out the firewall and remounted the screws. On mine none of the holes lined up. I also reinforced the firewall. The slots are able to be widened a few mm though. You should be okay there. I had asked the mfg and others about that on another project (Super Stearman) . Two holes had to be changed and it has worked out fine. I normally just fill in the old holes with fiberglass and resin. then coat the entire area with a thin layer of the same glass inside wrapping it to the sides for bonding and to reinforce everything.
Hope it helps.
Dave
Hope it helps.
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09-24-2011, 05:49 AM
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randallelerkens__ Per the post 8/9 about prop testing....For prop testing that I did with my Saito 91, see page 49 post 1213. The "wonder prop" for my engine on this plane was the slightly obscure APC 14x7, and I have been flying it ever since.
It seems to hit a sweet spot for power on that engine, and nets a nice high prop speed (60mph). Very noticeble improvement in Knife Edge- it can now climb a tad in KE. I already had my CG back quite a bit (125mm±?)
If you want to do any knife edge, you will need the prop speed, i.e. theoretical pitch speed if the prop turned slip-free in Jello or such. The performance of the plane drove my selection. The prop speed calcs were an afterthought! I liked the 16x4W APC for raw climbout best, but there was no climb in knife edge with that prop
It seems to hit a sweet spot for power on that engine, and nets a nice high prop speed (60mph). Very noticeble improvement in Knife Edge- it can now climb a tad in KE. I already had my CG back quite a bit (125mm±?)
If you want to do any knife edge, you will need the prop speed, i.e. theoretical pitch speed if the prop turned slip-free in Jello or such. The performance of the plane drove my selection. The prop speed calcs were an afterthought! I liked the 16x4W APC for raw climbout best, but there was no climb in knife edge with that prop
09-24-2011, 11:48 AM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
Wile working with the airplane I noticed that the firewall is only 7mm thick as against 10mm I thought earlier. Will it be strong enough to take a DLE20?
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09-24-2011, 01:58 PM
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Wile working with the airplane I noticed that the firewall is only 7mm thick as against 10mm I thought earlier. Will it be strong enough to take a DLE20?
Ameyam
Wile working with the airplane I noticed that the firewall is only 7mm thick as against 10mm I thought earlier. Will it be strong enough to take a DLE20?
Ameyam
09-25-2011, 01:45 PM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
jwmav528 or anyone else. I have the funtanna 50x and 100x. I am now looking for another Plane. The Pheonix edge 330s looks really nice. Can anyone compare it to the Funtana's ?? Also, what is the wing area of the Edge 330s. Pheonix does not say. Right now Tower hobbies has a $25 off for $199 spent. The Pheonix 330 is $179, I can easy buy and extra $20 of "stuff", so for an arf this seems like a pretty good deal. Any comments. Thank you
09-25-2011, 06:01 PM
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Though I havent flown the Funtanas yet, I know they are quite different than the Extra. The Funtanas are more 3d, lighter- you can compare them to between a UCD and a Extra. The Extra is more sharper handling. The Phoenix one is very sturdy, albeit a bit heavier but is fun to fly with the right setup
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09-27-2011, 08:46 AM
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Pat, I have the Funtana X 100 and the x 50 and I fly them all the time. I also have this Extra 330. Let me say the Extra 330 is not in the same ball park as the Funtana. It does not fly as nice, has much heavier wing loading and lands much hotter. It does fly ok, but not like a funtana. Also, the hardware leaves a lot to be desired. If you want a value plane, perhaps try the Seagull Extra's I think they make a 90 size and a 120 size.
09-27-2011, 10:41 AM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
gade600sdi,
what setup are you using? I found that with a FS91SII and a lot of expo, this lands like a pattern airplane and handles very easy The Funtanas are, of course, a class apart
Ameyam
what setup are you using? I found that with a FS91SII and a lot of expo, this lands like a pattern airplane and handles very easy The Funtanas are, of course, a class apart
Ameyam
10-02-2011, 08:28 AM
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Again, anyone with a DLE20 on this one? I have fitted the mount configured for the DLE20 but I havent drilled the mount for the engine yet. Still need to know whether I can use a 4-40 pushrod with ball links both sides for the throttle. I have all the RX stuff at the TE of the fuse for CG issues
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10-13-2011, 05:37 PM
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I just ordered one of these planes from Tower Hobbies and I got it for $159 plus free shipping. Not bad!
I plan on using a Magnum 108A with a APC 16x6 prop. I think I'll change out the fuel tank to a sullivan 14oz tank. The stock 10oz will be a little small for a 2 stroke 108.
I plan on using a Magnum 108A with a APC 16x6 prop. I think I'll change out the fuel tank to a sullivan 14oz tank. The stock 10oz will be a little small for a 2 stroke 108.
10-14-2011, 05:50 AM
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RE: Pheonix Extra 330S 60-90 Size
Did you order the newer version? The one that I had pictured above? I'm also going to change out the tank in mine for a 14 oz because I want a longer flight time. And I'm going to switch mine from a 15x6 to a 16x6 because my engine is over revving a little.
Maiden Report (New version): Once trimmed it flies great!!! I ultimately had to had a little bit of weight to the tail to balance the Evolution 120 that I stuffed in there. My cg is right where the manual states (the new version puts the cg 100 cm from the LE of the wing) and it is slightly nose heavy. I'll move it back once I start 3D but it is fine for now. Flight tests revealed that the right wing was a little heavy so I put an ounce in the left wing to balance it and now my flight testing shows that it is balanced. Flight of the airplane is very neutral. It goes where you point it. Vertical with the Evo 120 is unlimited. A fellow club member who loves Extras wanted to how far mine would go vertical and I had to pull power off when it got so high that I was starting to have difficulty seeing it. It's vertical rate of climb yielded a couple "Holy *****!" comments from club members. Knife edge pulled hard toward the landing gear. Ground inspection revealed that I had bent the aluminum wing tube that came with the plane. I definitely recommend replacing with something stronger. The landing gear mounts in the fuselage were beefed up a lot in the new version (mine took a beating with many dead stick landings until I could get my engine dialed in and it's still going strong) but the aluminum gear is the same as previous versions and it bends really easily. I definitely recommend replacing that too. The plane does not want to land. It loves to float so you have to fly it down but watch your speed. I am going to mix in a little bit of spoileron to help it come down to the runway.
I haven't tried the DLE 20 on this bird but the new version looks like it could handle it pretty well considering it has a firewall similar to bigger gassers with the box that you can mount the ignition and ignition battery to. Or you could also mount it in the large exhaust tunnel that this plane has. It's big enough to handle the stock muffler on my Evolution with no modification to the airframe. You may have to drill the hole in the center of the firewall a little bigger to accomodate the carb. I'm on the fence about swapping my Evolution out for the DLE 20. If any of you go through with it, let me know what you think.
There are two things to watch out for with this plane. Glue joints and fuel proofing. Many glue joints towards the front of the plane look like they have not been glued. Definitely wick thin CA into those. The fuel proofing job done on this plane is very poor. Definitely go over it yourself so that you don't get fuel soaked.
Sorry about the late posting of my maiden report. I've been flying a lot because of how much fun this plane is.
10-14-2011, 07:05 AM
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Thanks for the flight report on your plane and the helpful hints on trouble area's. I just ordered my extra from tower hobbies on Thursday and it was shipped out this moring so I should have it here this coming Monday. I do believe it must be the new verrsion. Is there plenty enough room for the larger 14oz tank we are planning on using?
10-14-2011, 07:16 AM
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I think so. The thing to watch out for is that there is a cross member on the top hatch that runs across the back of the tank area when the hatch is on. As long as the tank does not extend past the rear of the tank area, it should be ok. I have a Sullivan 12 oz in mine right now and I have a little bit of room left over behind it.
10-17-2011, 07:53 AM
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I just recieved my Phoenix Extra and it is the new version. The larger pilot is a very nice touch. I hope to get started with the build tonight when I get home from work if possible. I test ran my Magnum 108a yesterday on a test stand with a MAS simitar 15x6 prop and I was getting 11000 RPM with it. I think that my be a little to much for a prop that size. I will do a test flight with it once I am finished with the buile and if I don't like it I will change it out to a 16x6 prop if I have the ground clearance. I will also try using a Dubro 14oz tank because to stock 10oz will be to small for the 108. I will post some pic's as the build goes along
10-18-2011, 03:25 AM
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How's the build coming?
I agree that the 10 oz is too small. I am going to use that tank in the Vagabond 40 that I am building over the winter. Let me know how the Dubro fits. I am going to try the Sullivan 14 oz and I'll post what results I get.
I am also definitely over revving with my 15x6 despite that being the recommended prop. I want to try a 16x6 but I am concerned with ground clearance. I might go with a three-blade 15x6 and see how that goes. I know that Xoar makes one out of wood that is really nice.
