lippucci

Freeair

Adding weight to any model is not a good idea in my opinion as you have stated. Moving weight around for preferred CG is the way to go as ageed to by most experienced pilots. A tail heavy model may land slower but the flying trims will change for dirty aerodynamics. Like adding an anchor to a turtle. Good post Freeair..most of yours make sense..you must be a good pilot!

Norm

VF84sluggo

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Thanks for the info, guys...'preciate it.

Norm,
I'm up in the panhandle, near Pensacola, other end of the state from you.

rcfan450

I wouldn't say it's tail heavy as it is still within GP's CG specs. You've got 8mm either way within their specs. I'm at 7mm and love it. I agree too, adding weight to a plane sucks, but like I said, I just got lazy and wanted the CG rearward quick. I will take the weight off and move things around to have it CG where it is at now w/o the extra weight. Moving that CG back is the way to go for nice slow landings though.

Cheers!

lippucci

Randy

Too bad you are 500 miles away. Always a good idea to see a bird do its stuff before deciding which power to use. Check out your local HS & find out if anyone has purchased a Rev. Good luck!

Norm

VF84sluggo

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Yeah, you're right. Wish I was closer, it would be great to get a first-hand look at a Revolver in action. I'lll ask around the club and see if someone has one. Thanks for the tip!

Wingwrecker

I had flinally flown my revolver enough to have my last landing with it be completely greased only to have it roll off the runway over a praire dog hole and rip the gear off this past summer... It's been sitting around getting hangar rash since. I hate repairing balsa. This ones going back up though. I was just getting the hang of it. Bigger motor this time though. The 55AX was just not enough up here in Denver.

VF84sluggo

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Wingwrecker

You did not go electric on this plane? Perusing this thread, I thought that's what you were planning. Was the electric setup just too heavy or what?

Wingwrecker

I had intended to; even bought a used Power 60 from RCGroups. But then after researching some more I decided I'd want more power and then looking at batteries/esc to match the power, I figured I'd spend a lot more to get what I wanted out of it. That, and I kinda miss fuelers. I really wish I could find a gasoline engine small enough to run on this plane without weight issues, as that's where I really want to go with fuel. At $1.50 a gallon you could fly for a month on 5 bucks!

If I find a nice 90 to 100 sized glow engine cheap I'll likely go with it; but I'm looking at giant scale right now too.

VF84sluggo

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We've exchanged info about the Pulse XT 25e and e-flight in general on RCG, I know what you mean. You reach a point, IMHO, that once you get past the Power 32 or 46 size, the electric total cost skyrockets. And if you want to fly more than 5 minutes before waiting an eternity for a charge, then you have to have several expensive batt packs.

So, I'll admit about 6 months ago, after watching the club bubbas flying their gas/glow P-40's, P-47's, P-51's, seeing the smoke, hearing the noise, I got the itch bad for fuelers, too. I've got a H9 Hellcat with a Saito 100 and love it. Yeah, my electric PXT can waaay outrun it, but it just ain't the same. Plus, with the Hellcat, land, relax a bit, refuel, and go again...no chargers, puffed packs, hot esc's.

rcfan450

Dito to that VF84sluggo.

I've got electric planes too, but I hate waiting for charges. I'm not blessed enough to own 5k worth of lipos like someone I know. Plus, I like the noise and smoke too, did you see my post a day or two ago of my latest maiden?

mike boxtall

The hum of a battery doesn't even come close to the sound or mess of glow or gas! I love getting dirty and oily. The cleanup is the best part. You find all the nicks and tears. It is then that the model really takes on personality. And my Revolver has LOTS of personality!

VF84sluggo

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Well....that is the other part of it, and a big part.

I was flying my electric Pulse XT, doing pattern stuff and some high speed passes, when one of the "experienced" flyers eases up beside me and says, "I know you're flying something because you're standing here holding a transmitter, moving controls, and looking up in the sky. But son, where's the plane? I don't see anything." About that time I come humming by, and all I get is an "Oh, there it is."

Gotta admit, I felt pretty lame. (Not that there isn't a good place for electrics, like park flyers or even the PXT) Went out and started looking for a glow bird the next day! And here I am with a Saito 100 powered H9 Hellcat. I love the size, scale speeds, smoke and noise...oh yeah!

Wingwrecker

What size is your hellcat? Your Power 32 blows away the Saito 100?

VF84sluggo

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It's the Hangar9 Hellcat .60 ARF with a 14x6 prop. It's got the big ol' draggy blunt-nose radial engine fuselage, and is a good bit heavier than the Pulse XT. My Power32 PXT on 25C 4s 4000 mah and a 12x12 prop, with that narrow fuselage, is much sleeker than the Hellcat. I'm going to put a 14x8 prop on the Hellcat, but I still don't think it will be as fast as the PXT.

So, I don't think it's that the 32 beats the Saito, it's the whole airframe/prop/engine package of the Hellcat vs. the PXT that adds up. Put the Saito 100 in a plane with the same relatively small "equivalent flat plate area" and power-to-weight ratio as the PXT, like the Revolver, and no question it would be a whole different story!

But, the Hellcat speed is very scale as it is, and that works for me with this plane. Now, if I could shoe-horn a Saito 100 into the PXT.....

Wingwrecker

That makes sense.

mike boxtall

Even if you got the saito into the PXT, it still would not be faster than the Revolver with the same setup. The lines on the Revolver are alot cleaner than the pulse, also less dihedral in the wing. For what the Revolver is it moves quick. If you get tired of the PXT get yourself a Revolver and switch the motor. The abilities of the Revo with that same power plant will be sure to impress you as a second more agile and aerobatic plane that has the speed to impress.

VF84sluggo

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Mike,

Yes, for sure. No way was I saying the Pulse could run with a Revolver on similar setups. That's why I'm hawking this thread. The Revolver on a good, fast glow engine will be my next addition. But, if the Revolver with the Power32 on a 4s/4000 will be hotter than the Pulse, I may get a Revolver sooner and gut the Pulse.

Randy

airraptor

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i dont think that power 32 will fly the revo. the power .32 is = to a 32 glow engine.

Wingwrecker

I couldnt imagine running the Revo on a Power 32. A Power 60 maybe, a Power 90 definately.

VF84sluggo

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Yeah, that all makes sense, and I am familiar with the e-Flite electric motor numbering convention as it relates to a glow engine equivalent.

A Power32 seems weak for the Revolver to me, too. That's why I was a little unclear about what Mike was saying. It sounds like he's saying that if both planes are on a Power32, the Revolver will outperform the Pulse XT 25e...and my PXT is pretty strong on a Power32/4s setup.

Wingwrecker

Yeah, I have serious doubts that the 32 would even get the Revo off of the ground and if it did, it would be a very poor flight. The Revo is pretty heavy in comparison. The Power 46 could work, but just barely.

mike boxtall

I thought that your Pxt was the 40 size. But upon re-reading I seem to be mistaken, it is the 25size. But if you are spinning a 12X12 on that little electric motor and getting any rpm above or around 8500 it will be ok for the Revolver. My Saito125 spins a 12X12 @ 9400 on 15%powercool 4 stroke and pulls my 7lb Little Toni around with authority. I would be interested to know what rpm you are getting on the 12X12 with that 32. Even you guys with the 90's are not running 12X12's. With my 75ax the prop that I found worked best was a 12X9. A 12X12 would be way too much prop for my 75.

mike boxtall

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My Power32 PXT on 25C 4s 4000 mah and a 12x12 prop,

Wingwrecker

I can tell you that the 32 and 12x10e on the PXT was very strong.
Now that I think about it, my 55AX only swung a 12x8 and anything larger was killing the RPM.. Hmmm... I did run the 32 on 4s and I don't remember the amps but my 60a esc was covering it.

_Tommy D

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How strong exactly? I have been reading back and don't see a tach reading or how many Watts your pulling.

If you have 2 4S packs why not select another motor and run the Revolver on 8s. That just might nake you feel better about being so quiet. [>:]

Tommy D