Zippi

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Anyone flying one of these? I've read a lot about the YAK 54 90 but very little on the Extra 260.

halfinchwrench

I have one. Powered buy a Evo 1.00 and flown with 2.4, Great building bird and flies well to boot however, I would rather have the Yak though.

mflander

I have one with a Saito 1.25. Flies great!

Zippi

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Does the elevator have an airfoil to it or is it flat? Also, are the control surfaces double beveled? What size spinner? I looked at the on-line manual and if a spinner is supplied it didn't tell what size. Anyone have any pics of their plane?

mflander

It is flat surfaces on the tail Zippi, but it is warp free. The spinner that is included is a 3". But I changed mine out for a tru-turn aluminum. Are you looking to purchase one? I am moving up to the 50cc size airplanes and would consider selling...

Zippi

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Thanks for the offer. I'm just doing some research and I always build my own.

mflander

Mine came in at 8lbs, 12 ounces dry with a JR 1650mah 5 cell pack and a saito 1.25 engine, I am considering trying to get it down to 8 lbs by doing a carbon wing tube and landing gear, lipo pack, and a lightweight spinner. It truly is a great airplane! I'm just not sure I want to put any more money into my glow planes, because I really want to go gas. Plus I have been flying alot of park 480 planes lately, they sure are fun .

Edit: Also after looking at it out in the garage, it also has plenty of room in the fuse to make a removable smoke system, meaning if you lightened it up to the around the 8.25 lb mark, it would fly great even with the added weight of smoke, which you could make removable. Bad ass, I might just have to do that... oh but the money.. haha .

Zippi

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trixer,

Have any pics of your Extra 260?

mflander

Sorry for the delay, I forgot about it after I read the post at work... first time I have done pictures so here it goes...

Zippi

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trixer,

Great pics. How is the vertical performance with the Saito 125 ? That's the engine I had in mind with an APC 16X6 prop. It's hard to tell from the pics but are you running the stock muffler ?

mflander

Performance is great! Hovers at about 5/8 throttle.

I can't get my saito to turn 9000 with a 16x6(it will only turn about 8700)... so I am going to switch to a 16x4 and hopefully that will wake it up a little bit.

Plane flies great, but it has a little wing rock in an upright harrier. That is really the only fault I can find with it so far. As a matter of fact, I am considering flying pattern and/or basic IMAC with it next year.

Shubova

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Hi,
I'm also putting together the Extra 260 and wanted to get a little input. Someone suggested a gasoline SPE 26 but I was talking to a friend who works a at hobby shop and is really up to date on the technical data. He said a Saito 180 would be best if I really wanted to have all the aerobatic capabilities and I just happened to have access to one at a low cost.
Also would there be a difference in installing the engine upside down rather then at a 90 degree, other than having to cut out the bottom of the cowling? I have another plane with the engine on its side and there was an issue with the lateral balance.
Any sensible comments will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Aerosman
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mflander

Well, first of all, this thing came in @ 8 lbs 12 oz with a saito 1.25. At a 63" Span, I just don't think you would want to go any heavier then that. You will most definitely need tailweight with a 26cc gas or a 1.80. If you want to fly 3D, I would advise against it. Run a 1.25 with 30% and it would have more then enough power. If you were just sport flying or what not, it could take the weight, but a 63" span is rather small for this size airplane, keep it light!

As far as lateral balance, as you can see by the pictures, it took less than a quarter oz on the wing tip to balance, so I wouldn't worry about that in your decision to mount inverted or sideways. With glow, I just like to sidemount because the engines have a tendency to idle better. Other then that, I don't think it matters, although on this plane the engine would come out of the cowl quite a bit, especially with a 26cc or a 1.80.

Hope this helps...

Shubova

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Thanks for the feed back,
I down loaded a video from Horizon were this guy is doing a few aerobatic moves and hovering the Extra 260. Sorry I never quit figured out how to down load a video to a post.
Just out of curiously I checked the size and weight of a 120 and 180 in the Saito manual.
The 180 is 135mm in the overall height, 2mm larger than the 120 all the other dimension are the same. The weight is 880g and the 120 is 820g the difference of 60g or approx. 2 oz more. The 120 is 2.2 hp and the 180 is 2.8.
I know what you are saying about mounting a 2 stroke upside down, they have a tendency to overload easily but the intake velocity stack on the Saito 4 stroke is mounted upside down so I understand that it is better to mount the engine upside down. Although you’re probably right the added weight to balance it laterally is insignificant.
Oh did I mention I have another Satio 180 for sale NIB for $300 that is 100 less then retail. Still in the rapper. If you know anyone that is interested let me know?
Thanks again,
Aerosman
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Zippi

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aerosman,

I know of no video of the Extra 260 on Horizons site. Can you post a link to it since you cannot post the video?

Shubova

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Hi,
I finally found the link to the video I spoke of. http://www.seagullmodels.com/ProductDetail.asp?id=32
If that doesn’t work go to www.seagullmodels.com and then Extra 260. Click on video.
I gather from the video that if you can do the moves shown and hover you can do other aerobatics.
There are a lot of other planes that can do the same or better but I'm still learning. I read that Extras are more pattern/aerobatic compared to a Yak that will quickly do aerobatic moves. At first I'm trying to learn to do a clean knife edge and hover.
I also like the Hanger 9 Extra 260 with a 50cc. I have seen a couple of them were I fly and the owners say they are fun.
Enjoy!
Aerosman
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mflander

The total weight listed for a 1.25 is 24.69 ounces, the weight for a saito 1.80 is 31 oz. 6-7 oz difference, not 2 oz. www.saitoengines.com to see for yourself. Not to mention it is dead weight because you will not have use for that power, the 1.25 is virtually unlimited vertical for it. So you can slap a 1.80 on it if you want, but your adding weight for no reason to a bring a 63" plane over the 9 lb mark. Look around, all the 3D planes in the 9-10lb range are the 67"+ birds....

As for mounting inverted or sideways, I understand that saito's will run inverted just fine, I have done so on many occasions. But the fact is that the gas still runs to the top of the head whenever you are not running the engine. Over time this causes gumming and build-up, which can cause.... you get the point.

Just making a suggestion as someone who has flown it and many birds in this class, the 1.80 will work great, but is definitely not needed.

Shubova

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Hi,
Your correct Sir...but you are looking at the 125 . I was looking at the manual for the Saito 120 which is not made any more it's 820g, the 180 is 880g. That's were I got the 2 oz difference. Besides I only paid $100 for a NIB Saito 180. I actually do have a new Satio 120 (that's the manual I was looking at) I got just bought for another plane so I guess I'll have to do some head scratching and make a decision.
As far as the engine upside down. I was looking at it again today with the cowling in place, it would be sticking out to much at the bottom and I decided to put it on it's side. I've had a lot of nose in landings and it looks like I would easily damage the valve covers. So it's back to the original idea.
This is why I put out this post...to get a different point of view.
Did you get a chance to see that video? What engine do you think they are using?
Thanks for the info.
Aerosman
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PS: I went to your club website. It is very nicely done. Simple but interesting and informative.

Zippi

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Thanks for all the info on this plane guys. I've been looking at the Peakmodel's Extra 260 for $249.00 plus free shipping. It's a 70" wing span and would be great with an OS 120AX. I'm getting no response on if they take VISA or not so I may go with the Seagull Extra 260 and a Saito 125.

Shubova

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Peak Models offers a package...a 25% Extra260 & SPE26cc combo $499.00
I mentioned it before I like the Hanger 9 Extra 260 too.
Good Luck,
Aerosman
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Zippi

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I just heard from Peakmodel. They do not except VISA so they do not get my business. I was going to put a Brillelli 26cc on the Peakmodel Extra 260. May still go with the Seagull 260 or the WH 26 with the Brillelli 26cc.

Shubova

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Zippi,
What is the plane in the photo shown in the member info? Looks cool, is that Yak? Is it just me, if you went to the Seagull Extra 260 it looks like you would be trading down. The plane you show looks like the planes I have been considering as a step up. Nothing personal just asking.
And were does Zippi come from. You will never believe were Aerosman came from.
I owned a Ford Aerostar van. One day I was backing up in a Home Depot parking lot. I didn’t see it in back of me put a hit one of their lumbers carts and broke off the letters tar from Aerostar. At time I was trying to put together a business and I call the business Aeros ... .... Aeros is also an abb. for Aerospace so when I signed up with RCU I wanted something unique...that's how Aerosman came about.
Funny how things just happen.
Thanks,
Aerosman
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mflander

Zippi... do they except paypal? you can use visa through them... Hard to believe they have a hobby store that doesn't take a credit card... thats how most of us buy things to hide it from the wife

Zippi

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aerosman,

The plane in my members photo is the Aeroworks YAK 54 .90-1.20 and I'm running an OS 120AX with an APC 17X6 prop. Unlimited vertical. If you look on my Web site you'll see a lot more pics of that plane and many more. I know it's kind of trading down but I really like the Extra 260 and the color of the Peakmodel plane. Cermark makes an Extra 260 about the same size that is yellow for $299.00 plus shipping. The Wild Hare Extra 260 is $299.00 plus $50.00 for the hardware package plus shipping. How does the Paypal work? Can I use it once only, and where would one sign up for it?

The name "Zippi" comes from years ago before windows came out and all we had to run was DOS and 3.1. I use to run the local bulletin boards on line and any time you wanted to download something off line you had to use a "pkzip" and 'pkunzip" command. I use to get it wrong a lot so I was called "Zippi" one day and it stuck. I'm even called that at work.

Checklst

They take Paypal I just purchased their Yak and a 40cc combo from them........nice service,well built plane nice and light...... and the plane is just like zippi's picture in his avaitar. The plane shipped from somewhere in the US and the engine came from a drop ship in China. Neither came from the Peak shop in New Zealand.

The 40cc is overkill in my book wish I had done the 26cc, or plane only and used a Saito 150 or 180. The plane and all componets weighs in at 10lb and 9 oz with the heavy 40cc...... 55oz with battery, a 150 saito is around 30 oz. The whole plane and all componets weighs in a 114oz (7lb 2oz)without the engine. The 40cc is almost half the planes weight.

Hear's a few quick pic's
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