Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
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Thinking about getting the larger Escapade 61 for my son. He's moving up from an Avistar with a .46 engine that he soled on. I already have a Thunder Tiger Pro 61 engine and was thinking this would work great on this plane but after reading about both size Escapades it looks as if it will be on the low side of power. I have no plans to get a larger engine at the moment. My son is only 11 and does just mild aerobatics so maybe this engine is still ok?
Thing is I'm not wanting to invest a lot due to my sons skills and possible crashing at some point but I think he can handle this plane fine, he buddy boxes with me on my larger gassers often. But I'm kind of leaning toward the 40 size Escapade now and putting the Thunder Tiger 61 engine in it. Would this be a good choice or would it be overpowered and nose heavy? It should make for a much more sporty plane. I like unlimited verticle myself but then again he will be flying it mostly, not me.
Thinking about getting the larger Escapade 61 for my son. He's moving up from an Avistar with a .46 engine that he soled on. I already have a Thunder Tiger Pro 61 engine and was thinking this would work great on this plane but after reading about both size Escapades it looks as if it will be on the low side of power. I have no plans to get a larger engine at the moment. My son is only 11 and does just mild aerobatics so maybe this engine is still ok?
Thing is I'm not wanting to invest a lot due to my sons skills and possible crashing at some point but I think he can handle this plane fine, he buddy boxes with me on my larger gassers often. But I'm kind of leaning toward the 40 size Escapade now and putting the Thunder Tiger 61 engine in it. Would this be a good choice or would it be overpowered and nose heavy? It should make for a much more sporty plane. I like unlimited verticle myself but then again he will be flying it mostly, not me.
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
The TT .61 engine is about 23oz w/muffler so yeah probably a little heavy and a little overpowered. I think I may go with the 60 size Escapade with this engine.
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
Lost my Escapade today. On takeoff the plane lost all power, tip stalled, cartwheeled and flew into little pieces.
Electronics and engine are fine. Plane a total loss.
On inspection it seems the throttle servo horn failed on takeoff. I'm not 100% sure though. Could just me being an idiot.
Will order another one next week. Or might go with a Twist.
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
erdabrit,
Sorry to hear about your Escapade crash but luckily this is a fairly inexpensive plane to replace. Especially with all your gear surviving. I would replace mine in a heartbeat if it crashed!
On a more positive note I took mine out for the fisrt time in a couple months this past weekend. Had alot of training going on with the Air Force and a move so it has been in storage for awhile. Anyways I took it to on of the local clubs here in Arkansas and let it rip for awhile. One of my buddies there had a doppler shift program on his iPhone (theres an app for that). It uses the sound of the airplane passing by to calculate the speed. I brought mine straight an level in almost calm winds and it read consistantly 108.5 mph! Now I am not sure how accurate it is but my plane really hauls with the 55AX on it.
Another interesting thing I ran across is a version of the Escapade for Realflight:
4-stroke:
http://knifeedge.com/forums/download...o=file&id=8649
OS 46FX Variant:
http://knifeedge.com/forums/download...=file&id=13806
You have to download the first one to get the Escapade file then the second one is a variant and will change it over to the performance of the 46. It still has the Saito on the nose but it sounds and performs like the 2 stroke. I think most of you will find the two stroke variant extremly accurate on low rates. The high rates are a little unrealistic for this model but still fun. Enjoy!!
Sorry to hear about your Escapade crash but luckily this is a fairly inexpensive plane to replace. Especially with all your gear surviving. I would replace mine in a heartbeat if it crashed!
On a more positive note I took mine out for the fisrt time in a couple months this past weekend. Had alot of training going on with the Air Force and a move so it has been in storage for awhile. Anyways I took it to on of the local clubs here in Arkansas and let it rip for awhile. One of my buddies there had a doppler shift program on his iPhone (theres an app for that). It uses the sound of the airplane passing by to calculate the speed. I brought mine straight an level in almost calm winds and it read consistantly 108.5 mph! Now I am not sure how accurate it is but my plane really hauls with the 55AX on it.
Another interesting thing I ran across is a version of the Escapade for Realflight:
4-stroke:
http://knifeedge.com/forums/download...o=file&id=8649
OS 46FX Variant:
http://knifeedge.com/forums/download...=file&id=13806
You have to download the first one to get the Escapade file then the second one is a variant and will change it over to the performance of the 46. It still has the Saito on the nose but it sounds and performs like the 2 stroke. I think most of you will find the two stroke variant extremly accurate on low rates. The high rates are a little unrealistic for this model but still fun. Enjoy!!
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
Going to order a new one tomorrow simply because there's nothing else in the price-range.
I considered all of the following:
H9 Ultra Stick ($179)
H9 Tango ($149)
GP Revolver (IMO the best-looking plane I've ever seen in my short time in the hobby) - $199
The H9 Twist 40 ($129) was the only other one I seriously considered as Tower have added $10 to the price of the Escapade, but the free shipping and money off coupon sealed the deal. There's really nothing else I'd have right now in the price range, and I feel anything else might be a little too much for me with my current skills.
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Regarding the CG issues, manufacturers routinely specify extremely conservative CG locations, i.e., nose heavy by most standards.
I have been using a formula to calculate CG for 20 years and it never fails to give me a usable CG, almost always aft of where the manufacturer recommends, sometimes by a LOT. I even use it for maiden flights because I have come to trust it more than the manufacturers. I do it by hand, but you can find online calculators. It has to be one that includes wing area, wing chord, stab area, tail arm length. Simpler rules of thumb will not do the job.
People think nose heavy is "safe", but as many have pointed out, it sets you up for a hot landing. A buddy's Nexstar is like that. So much stuff on it to supposedly make it fool proof and then they put the CG too far forward. They could take all that stuff off, give you a better CG location, and it would probably be a fine airplane.
I almost bought an Escapade, but finally settled on a World Models LA Racer. Very similar to the Escapade, but a bit more wing area, maybe a little lighter, and fully symmetrical airfoil.
Jim
I have been using a formula to calculate CG for 20 years and it never fails to give me a usable CG, almost always aft of where the manufacturer recommends, sometimes by a LOT. I even use it for maiden flights because I have come to trust it more than the manufacturers. I do it by hand, but you can find online calculators. It has to be one that includes wing area, wing chord, stab area, tail arm length. Simpler rules of thumb will not do the job.
People think nose heavy is "safe", but as many have pointed out, it sets you up for a hot landing. A buddy's Nexstar is like that. So much stuff on it to supposedly make it fool proof and then they put the CG too far forward. They could take all that stuff off, give you a better CG location, and it would probably be a fine airplane.
I almost bought an Escapade, but finally settled on a World Models LA Racer. Very similar to the Escapade, but a bit more wing area, maybe a little lighter, and fully symmetrical airfoil.
Jim
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ORIGINAL: irdabrit
Going to order a new one tomorrow simply because there's nothing else in the price-range.
Going to order a new one tomorrow simply because there's nothing else in the price-range.
I considered all of the following:
H9 Ultra Stick ($179)
H9 Tango ($149)
GP Revolver (IMO the best-looking plane I've ever seen in my short time in the hobby) - $199
The H9 Twist 40 ($129) was the only other one I seriously considered as Tower have added $10 to the price of the Escapade, but the free shipping and money off coupon sealed the deal. There's really nothing else I'd have right now in the price range, and I feel anything else might be a little too much for me with my current skills.
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A good inexpensive 40? How about a Phoenix SeaBee? I just got one.
with a 46AX, it really goes fast and the aerobatics are great.
I have not seen any thread about that plane though.
It would be nice to find out what others who have it think about it.
My instructor who maiden it for me said he does not like Phoenix planes in general, but he was impressed with the quality.
It's one handsome plane just like the Escapade.
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A good inexpensive 40? How about a Phoenix SeaBee? I just got one.
with a 46AX, it really goes fast and the aerobatics are great.
I have not seen any thread about that plane though.
It would be nice to find out what others who have it think about it.
My instructor who maiden it for me said he does not like Phoenix planes in general, but he was impressed with the quality.
It's one handsome plane just like the Escapade.
A good inexpensive 40? How about a Phoenix SeaBee? I just got one.
with a 46AX, it really goes fast and the aerobatics are great.
I have not seen any thread about that plane though.
It would be nice to find out what others who have it think about it.
My instructor who maiden it for me said he does not like Phoenix planes in general, but he was impressed with the quality.
It's one handsome plane just like the Escapade.
Another one by these brands is the Decathlon, high wing sports plane that looks nice.
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Sincerely, like I mentioned earlier, I do not think the Escapade make a second plane either.
I would rather go with a Stick or something with shoulder wings.
I bought my Escapade for a second plane but after I flew it, I kept it until I was comfortable with the stick.
I still find my Escapade a little hot, especially on my first flight of the day when we are more nervous.
I would rather go with a Stick or something with shoulder wings.
I bought my Escapade for a second plane but after I flew it, I kept it until I was comfortable with the stick.
I still find my Escapade a little hot, especially on my first flight of the day when we are more nervous.
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ORIGINAL: harryangus
Sincerely, like I mentioned earlier, I do not think the Escapade make a second plane either.
I would rather go with a Stick or something with shoulder wings.
I bought my Escapade for a second plane but after I flew it, I kept it until I was comfortable with the stick.
I still find my Escapade a little hot, especially on my first flight of the day when we are more nervous.
Sincerely, like I mentioned earlier, I do not think the Escapade make a second plane either.
I would rather go with a Stick or something with shoulder wings.
I bought my Escapade for a second plane but after I flew it, I kept it until I was comfortable with the stick.
I still find my Escapade a little hot, especially on my first flight of the day when we are more nervous.
Yep, lots of choices out there. If you want something different and high wing, Thunder Tiger sells the Beaver. It is different, foam wings and plastic fuselage. It has semi-symmetrical airfoil and is 40-size. Only costs around $110. I saw it at the LHS, and was told it flies good. But I never saw it fly in person.
Lots of Sticks too, Hangar 9 Ultra Stick, Great Planes Big Stick, Hobby People sells a Stick (lower cost than the other 2). Hangar 9 used to sell the Super Stick, cheaper than the Ultra Stick, but not anymore. The Ultra and Big Sticks are more expensive than the Escapade though.
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Can the H9 Ultra stick be powered with standard servos? In the completion guide they spec expensive digital servos costing $30 each! And it requires seven of them!
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Can the H9 Ultra stick be powered with standard servos? In the completion guide they spec expensive digital servos costing $30 each! And it requires seven of them!
Can the H9 Ultra stick be powered with standard servos? In the completion guide they spec expensive digital servos costing $30 each! And it requires seven of them!
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Thanks - yes, they seem a bit pricey for what they are, although I must admit to being more comfortable with shoulder winged craft right now. The Escapade seemed really hot to me.
I'm going to try one more (it's still really hard to beat at the price) and then if that fails, I'll go back to a high-wing trainer - although I thought I'd mastered them already.
I still think I had the CG too far forward (I balanced it at the manual's reccomened point) and it just screamed in. I was braking it in with a 10x6 and switched to a 11x4 and that helped some.
I still think I had the CG too far forward (I balanced it at the manual's reccomened point) and it just screamed in. I was braking it in with a 10x6 and switched to a 11x4 and that helped some.
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Thanks - yes, they seem a bit pricey for what they are, although I must admit to being more comfortable with shoulder winged craft right now. The Escapade seemed really hot to me.
Thanks - yes, they seem a bit pricey for what they are, although I must admit to being more comfortable with shoulder winged craft right now. The Escapade seemed really hot to me.
I'm going to try one more (it's still really hard to beat at the price) and then if that fails, I'll go back to a high-wing trainer - although I thought I'd mastered them already.
I still think I had the CG too far forward (I balanced it at the manual's reccomened point) and it just screamed in. I was braking it in with a 10x6 and switched to a 11x4 and that helped some.
I still think I had the CG too far forward (I balanced it at the manual's reccomened point) and it just screamed in. I was braking it in with a 10x6 and switched to a 11x4 and that helped some.
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Very true - the 46AX only had maybe six flights on it and two full tanks for break-in as per OS instructions.
I'm going to order another now. Hopefully this will live a little longer.
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Very true - the 46AX only had maybe six flights on it and two full tanks for break-in as per OS instructions.
Very true - the 46AX only had maybe six flights on it and two full tanks for break-in as per OS instructions.
I'm going to order another now. Hopefully this will live a little longer.
For idle speed, the way I can tell if I'm idling low enough is if I pull back the plane a couple of inches from the ground anchoring or bench when it is idling and it does not move forward (zero static thrust), then it is low enough idle. If it jumps forward at idle, then engine idles too fast and the plane will land too fast.
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Irdabrit, I think for pilots who are not pretty experienced, the Escapade is too small for a ball bearing 46. Compare to the old standards like the 4 Star or Tiger 2...those have much more wing area and weigh about the same, the 4 Star is even less than the Escapade.
If the Escapade seems hot to you, I would not think you need to go back to a trainer, just to a low-winger with more area. Or keep your Escapade light with a TT .36 Pro, TT GP .42, or .46 LA. Those engines are 5 to 6 ozs lighter than a modern BB .46 and have plenty of power for a plane this size. I think you've just got too much power and weight for the plane.
Also, see my note above about CG. I just got a report from a guy in our club who likes his Nexstar much better with the CG a little aft of the manufacturer's recommendation.
And yes, the 11x4 is a good choice. Any of the lightweight engines I mentioned above would do well on that prop too.
Jim
If the Escapade seems hot to you, I would not think you need to go back to a trainer, just to a low-winger with more area. Or keep your Escapade light with a TT .36 Pro, TT GP .42, or .46 LA. Those engines are 5 to 6 ozs lighter than a modern BB .46 and have plenty of power for a plane this size. I think you've just got too much power and weight for the plane.
Also, see my note above about CG. I just got a report from a guy in our club who likes his Nexstar much better with the CG a little aft of the manufacturer's recommendation.
And yes, the 11x4 is a good choice. Any of the lightweight engines I mentioned above would do well on that prop too.
Jim
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That might work, I bet there are a lot of those engines sitting in drawers. Good luck with it.
Jim
That might work, I bet there are a lot of those engines sitting in drawers. Good luck with it.
Jim
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
Another good choice for an engine is a supertigre 40, that is what I fly mine with the plane needed the nose weight to balance these are good low cost engines that require a little adjustment to the low end needle valve to throttle properly however once set they will run great for many years. I have these engines in 3 planes
H9 pulse xt 40
GB tiger 2 ARF
GP escapade 40
BH sprinter ST 45
GP super sportster ARF (crashed)
I have found that it is easier to add a little weight to the tail to experiment with the CG.
I also have the 60 size escapade with a OS 91 four stroke that plane also needed the battery under the fuel tank and a 3 OZ. heavy hub just to balance 1/8 to 1/4 behind the recommended balance point that plane flies great also now that I have flown it 9 times I just wish it was NOT blue and white it just blends into the sky to well. Greg
H9 pulse xt 40
GB tiger 2 ARF
GP escapade 40
BH sprinter ST 45
GP super sportster ARF (crashed)
I have found that it is easier to add a little weight to the tail to experiment with the CG.
I also have the 60 size escapade with a OS 91 four stroke that plane also needed the battery under the fuel tank and a 3 OZ. heavy hub just to balance 1/8 to 1/4 behind the recommended balance point that plane flies great also now that I have flown it 9 times I just wish it was NOT blue and white it just blends into the sky to well. Greg
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RE: Great Planes Escapade .40 ARF
That was the major problem I had with my first Escapade. The wing colors were too similar and it was hard to see in most skies.
I've ordered some yellow and black monokote with this order and I intend to use it to make some custom checkerboard patterns under each win to make a major color change between them. That is if Tower get off their collective behind and process my order!
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I strongly recommend some flourescent orange or pink on the leading edge. I use the self-adhesive stuff...it makes a stunning difference in my ability to pick up instantly what the plane is doing even on a gray day.
Jim
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