Register

If this is your first visit, please click the Sign Up now button to begin the process of creating your account so you can begin posting on our forums! The Sign Up process will only take up about a minute of two of your time.

Results 1 to 24 of 24

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    minden, LA
    Posts
    6
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I recently purchased a Cap 21 rc airplane, and need to know who manufactuered this plane. The plane has a decal 'AVION', but I am not sure this is of importance. Appears to be aa ARF built in the 1990s.

  2. #2
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I might have the same plane, looks vintage to me

    I gotta find an engine for it and get it up, I hear they snap too much but I can deal with it

    Is this the same plane you have?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	87105_22817.jpg 
Views:	180 
Size:	41.6 KB 
ID:	50723  
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    minden, LA
    Posts
    6
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP21

    Thanks Diablokid, your plane is identical to mine. Can you tell me who makes this plane, or do you have a manual that I could get a copy. Will gladly reimburse you. By the way, I power my CAP 21 with a FS65(Saito). Very smooth takeoff at 1/4 throttle. Handles great, yet very responsive. Thanks again for your reply. Capt. Larry

  4. #4
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Capt I wish I could assist you on the manual but I got mine used as well. I was told its an older Great Planes kit. There are at my local hobby shop so im gonna snoop around today and see if I cant find a manual. Worse case im gonna contact Great Planes and see if they have any for it. As soon as I find one ill be sure to get one to you as well.
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    minden, LA
    Posts
    6
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Thanks for the reply, I will research Great Planes and get back to you. Thanks Again!!! Capt. Larry

  6. #6
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    This is what they emailed me today:

    Thank you for contacting Product Support. Yes, the Cap 21 was made by Great Planes Model Manufacturing. I would need to know which version of the Cap 21 airplane you have.

    The Cap 21 L version was sold to Kitty Hawk many years ago (I have a copy of the archive manual). The manual does not list the CG
    We also have a copy of the Cap 21 40 Size

    We have a copy of the plans on disc and would unable to check the CG location this way.

    Cap 21 L:
    Section 18: Prepare the aircraft for flying

    Complete the installation of the radio, engine, and linkage. Springs provided in the kit are used to connect the tail wheel steering arm to the rudder horn. Add the rudder cables and aileron servo clevis rods. Following are the recommended control surface throws for general sport flying.
    Aileron: 5/8" up and 5/*" down
    Elevator: 3/4" up and 3/4" down
    Rudder: 7/8" to the right and 7/8" to the left


    For maximum aerobatic performance, including snap rolls, the recommended control surface throws are:
    Ailerons: 1" Up and 1" down
    Elevator: 7/8" up and 7/8" down
    Rudder: 1 3/8" to the right and 1 3/8" to the left

    Add the engine "off" switch as recommended by the engine manufacturer. Perform a tip-to-tip balance of the wing by holding it upside down and supporting it from the leading and trailing edge at the center. Add weight to the light wing tips as necessary.

    The manual for the Cap 21 40 airplane can be found on the Great Planes website (please refer to partss listing and manuals)
    www.greatplanes.com
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Perth, AUSTRALIA
    Posts
    1,880
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I used to have one...

    Note *USED TO*...

    They're very tipstally and kinda nasty to fly slow...

    be warned, expect snap rolls on landing approach if you land too slow.

    and expect snappy snaps mid flight

    they're good fun when moving but they erode your confidence in dead sticks!
    Go knife edge your cub!

  8. #8
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I have heard the same thing, im used to coming in hot so I might be ok as long as I keep the speed and line it up early with the runway. We will see
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    minden, LA
    Posts
    6
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Diablokid, thanks for the follow-up, I talked with Paul Clements (Kitty Hawk RC), in Indiana, today. He apparantly has purchased rights to many old kits (discontinued) by Great Planes. Very informative. Unfortunately, he only has the CAP 21L. This is an 88" fiberglass. Not the one we have. It is my understanding that our CAP21 may be the 40 series (?) I will contact Great Planes for a follow-up. Will let you hear. Thanks!! Capt. Larry

  10. #10
    waagbuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    McLean, VA
    Posts
    402
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    model tech?

    I have a model tech cap 21 that came almost ready to cover, which is also discontinued. It has a sheeted foam wing and very weak instructions (basically a general list of tasks -- 1 mount wing, 2 install engine and radio, 3 apply suitable covering, 4 fly). Having built only three kits before, this was a problem. And having read a lot of negative comments about this plane I was nervous about flying it, but I got it in the air last week for the first time. I have an os 61 fx on it with a pitts muffler. It's definitely not overpowered, but it flies very well with this engine. I had no problems flying it or landing it, but it does have a nasty tip stall. When I tested that problem, it fell from the sky like a stone. I was able to regain control without difficulty, but I would hate that to happen on landing.

  11. #11
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    thanks for the input waagbuck. Im from your neighborhood as well maybe we could fly ours together

    lWhere do you fly?
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  12. #12
    waagbuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    McLean, VA
    Posts
    402
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I fly at LCAA.

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    93
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I just picked up a used and almost finished GP .40 Cap 21. It was covered to look just like th above photo. I also have plans and the manual. Let me know if I can be of any help.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Snow Hill, NC
    Posts
    2,089
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    YEP-- had one of them. Had 6 take offs-- 5 landings
    The Road Goes on Forever and the Party Never Ends - Robert Earl Keen

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Snow Hill, NC
    Posts
    2,089
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    BTW-- The little boy in the picture is a senior in High School (just so you get the time frame)
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Vt57981.jpg 
Views:	103 
Size:	22.8 KB 
ID:	64168  
    The Road Goes on Forever and the Party Never Ends - Robert Earl Keen

  16. #16

    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    west-central minnesota
    Posts
    5
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    what is the wing span on the cap? I just built a kit 60 size and it has a 72" span I have all the paperwork. Let me know.

  17. #17
    Moderator SunShyne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Centreville, VA
    Posts
    4,196
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    ORIGINAL: Textanker

    I just picked up a used and almost finished GP .40 Cap 21. It was covered to look just like th above photo. I also have plans and the manual. Let me know if I can be of any help.

    can you post the CG in your manual for it?
    Revver Bro #86

    Visit RCU\'\'s E-flight Only Website: www.WattFlyer.com

  18. #18

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Wellsville, NY
    Posts
    914
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I built the 72" GP cap 21 years back.. my 3rd plane I ever built, and I still have it.. Flys nice for me..but I did turn the ailerons up a hair to simulate washout.. Still flying good though.
    Vo Decker
    AMA 117021
    What goes up must always come back down

  19. #19
    cap10b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Carrollton, TX
    Posts
    819
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Looks like a GP 60 size Cap 21
    I'm not into Cap bashing since I have a 96" Cap 21, the 88" Cap 20L (Original NIB) and Yellow AC Cap10B and
    the Model Tech Cap21 and we flew the GP Cap 21 .

    The Yellow AC was 19lbs with a 2.4 and smoke
    the GP Cap 21 was 8 lbs with a Webra .90
    the model Tech was 9lbs with a YS 120
    the Zimpro 96" Cap 21 3.2 Sach at 18lbs.
    and the the Cap 20L is not built.

    Needless to say I have a few flight on Caps. All you gotta remember is do things Sloooooowly .. dont be yanking or jerking on the stick. Get the CG on the button a Cap fly's almost as bad nose heavy as tail heavy.
    If you can install flaps do so all the snap a low speed goes away on landing. If you use to much paint and your 14 lb plane comes out 19 lbs just install a bigger motor and use flaps.

    Caps are easy to fly you just have to respect them and fly in the envelope they like. which is not too fast
    not too slow and big manuevers.

    Good Luck

    JDS
    I ran out of Altitude, Airspeed and Ideas !

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    surrey, BC, CANADA
    Posts
    3,768
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    I had a model tech that looked identical. wood cowl and foam wing.had 91 surpass.good fun,found it stable with proper Cg sold mine after 2 seasons in 1995(?)
    ORIGINAL: DiabloKid

    I might have the same plane, looks vintage to me

    I gotta find an engine for it and get it up, I hear they snap too much but I can deal with it

    Is this the same plane you have?

  21. #21
    PE2fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Glen Burnie, MD
    Posts
    211
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Cap10b,
    Do you have any info on the model tech one? CG, wing area. I just purchased one with a OS Surpass 91 in the nose. I need to know how this is going to fly. Did you ad flaps to it? Maybe flaperons will help?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Mike




    ORIGINAL: cap10b

    Looks like a GP 60 size Cap 21
    I'm not into Cap bashing since I have a 96" Cap 21, the 88" Cap 20L (Original NIB) and Yellow AC Cap10B and
    the Model Tech Cap21 and we flew the GP Cap 21 .

    The Yellow AC was 19lbs with a 2.4 and smoke
    the GP Cap 21 was 8 lbs with a Webra .90
    the model Tech was 9lbs with a YS 120
    the Zimpro 96" Cap 21 3.2 Sach at 18lbs.
    and the the Cap 20L is not built.

    Needless to say I have a few flight on Caps. All you gotta remember is do things Sloooooowly .. dont be yanking or jerking on the stick. Get the CG on the button a Cap fly's almost as bad nose heavy as tail heavy.
    If you can install flaps do so all the snap a low speed goes away on landing. If you use to much paint and your 14 lb plane comes out 19 lbs just install a bigger motor and use flaps.

    Caps are easy to fly you just have to respect them and fly in the envelope they like. which is not too fast
    not too slow and big manuevers.

    Good Luck

    JDS
    Club Saito #299

  22. #22

    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Zachary, LA
    Posts
    4,652
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Lion Models produced a 60 size ARF in the 90s; I suspect the ModelTech is that one. I had one, and it lived up to the nick-name "SNAP 21".

    I understand that the GP kit had a better wing in that regard; but on that Lion Models offering (I had a 91 Surpass on it) you had better keep some throttle on until all three wheels were firmly down.

  23. #23
    cap10b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Carrollton, TX
    Posts
    819
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    mdlnewman
    No sorry it was so long ago I threw all the documentation away. If you dont have a CG point a good starting place
    is 25% of the mean cord of the wing back from the leading edge.

    Good luck

    jds
    I ran out of Altitude, Airspeed and Ideas !

  24. #24
    v-snap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    brownsburg, IN
    Posts
    950
    Gallery
    My Gallery
    Models
    My Models
    Ratings
    My Feedback

    RE: CAP 21 rc airplane ( 1990s vintage)

    Built up wings equal GP. I had and still have and was given another modeltech 40 size cap-21...The first one is from 1985 has well over a thousand flights on it without injury (S.T. S-60) that you can ring the oil from the foam wing...Stripped it of its covering and realized it most likely can't be cleaned up. My model tech new in box will have a bunch of lightening holes added to fuse, stab, rudder, and wing and I will use a saito-72 for power. Love these planes, they fly fast and if you learn how to fly them you can slow them down just as will as any other plane. You just need to learn how to fly them.
    Good luck


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:31 PM.

SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.