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Old 09-12-2013, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CafeenMan
You've gotten some very good advice. My only advice is that I very strongly suggest you read up on the basic reasons an airplane flies. I can't tell you how many people I've seen at the field who can't learn to fly because they don't understand that their plane is in a stall and they think pulling the elevator up makes the airplane go up. I'm sure you have some understanding but what I'm suggesting is that you study it until really have a feel for it.
Excellent advice. I fully agree. As an instructor with 3500 hours teaching aerobatics on real aircraft it is essential to have a basic understanding of aerodynamics and especially stalls.

These laws apply equally to real and RC aircraft.

The Flying school I worked for specialised in Aerobatic training and the CFI was an ex RAAF fighter combat instructor and one of the best pilots / flight instructors I have ever encountered.

He is retired now but wrote an excellent series of e-books on aerodynamics and other aspects of flight.

They are all free here: http://www.flybetter.com.au/

I strongly recommend watching his video "The Fundamentals" Noel's description of the F-86 Sabre control system and Angle of Attack control applies perfectly to our spring centred transmitter sticks.

Book one here: Excellent stuff for any pilot, RC or full size.

http://www.flybetter.com.au/sitebuil...ndedition2.pdf

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Old 09-12-2013, 04:46 AM
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speaking from an instructor POV, this trainer is hands down the best on the market. You might spend a few extra bucks up front, but you wont have to go buying spare parts as you would with the others mentioned above. Its also offers a greater parts availability at hobby shops nationwide in case something does come up. Just thought Id mention...
best of luck

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Old 09-12-2013, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
Lots of good info so I'll just say one thing. There is one very important item you will bring from your truggie experience - control reversal when coming toward you. That can be a major problem for people with no experience at all. My first instructor was very happy that I had land and water experience before getting into planes because I understood control reversal.
The great advice just keeps coming in this thread. Again I agree this is a big issue when learning to fly RC aircraft.

At age 14 my own RC instructor gave me the best advice I ever heard in this hobby..

"When the plane is coming TOWARDS you, push your aileron towards the LOW wing to LEVEL the wings"

Suddenly it "clicked" in my head and I can honestly say I have never wrong thumbed an RC fixed wing coming towards me ever since.

30 + years later I overheard a similar piece of advice in a Hobby Shop that specialised in RC Helicopters"

"When hovering nose in (nose facing you) , push your stick TOWARDS the drift to stop the drift"


Works every time!
Old 09-12-2013, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ChappyEight
(Disclaimer: I realize there are countless numbers of posts asking similar questions, but I'm hoping after countless hours of research, I could get some personalized input.)

Hello. So, a quick background on me, I have absolutely zero experience in R/C planes. About 10 years ago I was pretty serious into R/C truggies so I do have general R/C experience. That said, I have no illusions that anything other than a glossary of terms is what will transfer to the airborne side of R/C, if that.

My 4 year old son has taken up a fascination with planes and becoming a pilot remains on my bucket list. I thought a neat way to satisfy both our cravings would be to venture into this world. Obviously he is far too young to do any controlling himself, but I look forward to having him help me assemble and paint a model(s) and then spending time with me flying until he himself can take the controls.

All that said, after researching extensively, here's what I've come up with. I'm trying to decide between 2 planes, the Super Cub and the Fun Cub. The super cub seems to be the popular choice for trainers, being 3ch and all, but I like the fact that the Fun Cub has ailerons available so I can avoid having to later mod the Super Cub. Additionally, once my skill has developed some, I intend to use floats more than wheels at my local lake. (Ideally I hope to one day own one of these.

So, I'm hoping to get some direction regarding the SC vs. the FC and then, further, I can't make my stupid mind up about RTF or buying something that I can add my own receiver/radio to (the thought here being it can grow with me more easily).

Again, I realize a lot of these questions have been asked multiple times, but the narcissist in me was hoping for some personalized discussion.

Thank you in advance for your input/advice/demeaning comments.

- Chappy
You have lots of great advice from some knowledgeable modellers.

If I can just add a few thoughs about radios.

Invest in a radio that will grow with you. If you buy an RTF with its own radio, you may not be able to buy extra receivers to suit. The Super Cub for example has a 3 channel radio on FM - you will need another radio anyway when you get a second aircraft with ailerons.

I have heard the Tactic radios are good though I have no personal experience with them.

I can strongly recommend something like a Spektrum DX6i, or if your budget allows, a DX7s or DX8.

Any of these will serve you well from trainer aircraft up to sport and aerobatic machines, they will also cater nicely for Helicopters if you decide to try them. (They will also have some resale value if you change your mind later)

I fly regularly with Futaba, JR and Spektrum radios and all have been equally reliable - One reason Spektrum scores extra points for me is the ability to use them with the huge range of BNF aircraft and helicopters.

This is a great hobby, after 35 years I am more passionate about it now than I was as a teenager in 1978.

Be careful.. its addictive..

My radios...
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:23 AM
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I would say with that many radios it's too late; you are addicted
Originally Posted by Rob2160
You have lots of great advice from some knowledgeable modellers.

If I can just add a few thoughs about radios.

Invest in a radio that will grow with you. If you buy an RTF with its own radio, you may not be able to buy extra receivers to suit. The Super Cub for example has a 3 channel radio on FM - you will need another radio anyway when you get a second aircraft with ailerons.

I have heard the Tactic radios are good though I have no personal experience with them.

I can strongly recommend something like a Spektrum DX6i, or if your budget allows, a DX7s or DX8.

Any of these will serve you well from trainer aircraft up to sport and aerobatic machines, they will also cater nicely for Helicopters if you decide to try them. (They will also have some resale value if you change your mind later)

I fly regularly with Futaba, JR and Spektrum radios and all have been equally reliable - One reason Spektrum scores extra points for me is the ability to use them with the huge range of BNF aircraft and helicopters.

This is a great hobby, after 35 years I am more passionate about it now than I was as a teenager in 1978.

Be careful.. its addictive..

My radios...
Old 09-12-2013, 09:03 AM
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Wow, thank you all so much! I can't hardly keep up with the posts.

Without responding individually to everyone, please know I've clipped this entire post to Evernote and will be reading through it a few times in the near future. The suggestions are incredible and I very much appreciate everyone's willingness to lend some advice. Can't wait to make a decision and I'll be sure to post back when I do!
Old 09-12-2013, 09:14 AM
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So much great advice hard to find any more. One thing I would add is whatever path you choose follow high measures of safety for you, your 4 year old and all those around you. Many happy years of flying wished for you - it is very much fun!
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[QUOTE=Rob2160;11613943]"When the plane is coming TOWARDS you, push your aileron towards the LOW wing to LEVEL the wings"QUOTE]

Wow...this same advice saved me many hours! I struggled when the plane was facing me and I read online this same instruction and I went back and it clicked immediately and as you put it, works every time!
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So much great advice hard to find any more. One thing I would add is whatever path you choose follow high measures of safety for you, your 4 year old and all those around you. Many happy years of flying wished for you - it is very much fun!
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hey guys he said he thought of a 3 ch witch has rudder and elevator on the right stick. what I said was to learn with a 4ch that way the rudder would be on the left.
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Originally Posted by dreamwever
Hello the Fun cub with it's big tires is a 4 ch. better to learn with ailerons and rudder on the left stick right from the start that way you don't have to relearn. fun cub is a great flyer. if you are planning on doing this for long time buy a good radio to start with something with expo and model memory so you don't have to buy another down the road.
and then the ele and throttle is on the right stick??????
Old 09-12-2013, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamwever
hey guys he said he thought of a 3 ch witch has rudder and elevator on the right stick. what I said was to learn with a 4ch that way the rudder would be on the left.
As we all know, with mode 2. Rudder and Throttle is on the Left stick / Aileron and Elevator is on the Right stick.

Now, if your aircraft is only 3 channel, IE, no ailerons, and only has a rudder elevator and throttle, you should put the rudder on the RIGHT stick.

That way you are banking and turning with the right stick and learning correct muscle memory. (secondary effect of rudder is roll)

This is how I have seen 3 channel planes operated for over 30 years

Moving from 3 channels to a 4 channel aircraft with ailerons, your rudder switches to the left stick, the ailerons are on the right stick so you are still banking and turning with the right stick.

There should be no confusion with that.

Same deal for Mode 1, the only difference is throttle and elevator are always opposite to Mode 2.
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Gws e starter. Its cheap easy to assemble and very forgiving
Old 09-13-2013, 02:43 AM
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Super Cub is not even available any longer... you did a thorough job of researching.
I don't care what Justin Gees father let him do. A 4 year old is not mentally developed enough to fly the helicopters he was allowed to fly. I abhor any age related aviation records. They are stunts and need to be discouraged at all costs.

Remember the 7yo girl on a US cross-country trip? 3 deaths. STOP ENCOURAGING THIS, enough said.
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what I was trying to say was learn with a 4 ch with ailerons right from the beginning should have put a comma, after ailerons and not used the word and sorry for the confusion.
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Originally Posted by on_your_six
Super Cub is not even available any longer... you did a thorough job of researching.
While I respect, and agree, with your opinion regarding young children, the quoted comment above was unnecessarily sarcastic... and factually incorrect on your part.

That said, after researching further and getting opinions from current pilots, I chose to go with the HZ Super Cub. The coolest part about this thread, though, is that I now have a notebook with a progression path of aircraft that I'm going to try and follow as I get more comfortable flying, including some glow/fuel stuff. I chose the BNF version of the cub so that I could choose a Tx that I can hang onto for a long while. Through an interesting series of events that I don't care to explain right now, I ended up with a Tx that is way overkill for this plane, but should serve me well into the future.

Again, I cannot thank you all enough for the information and encouragement you have provided. I've clipped this entire conversation into Evernote and plan to refer back to it often.

Thanks again,
Chappy
Old 09-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ChappyEight
While I respect, and agree, with your opinion regarding young children, the quoted comment above was unnecessarily sarcastic... and factually incorrect on your part.

That said, after researching further and getting opinions from current pilots, I chose to go with the HZ Super Cub. The coolest part about this thread, though, is that I now have a notebook with a progression path of aircraft that I'm going to try and follow as I get more comfortable flying, including some glow/fuel stuff. I chose the BNF version of the cub so that I could choose a Tx that I can hang onto for a long while. Through an interesting series of events that I don't care to explain right now, I ended up with a Tx that is way overkill for this plane, but should serve me well into the future.

Again, I cannot thank you all enough for the information and encouragement you have provided. I've clipped this entire conversation into Evernote and plan to refer back to it often.

Thanks again,
Chappy
You got a DX9! Good choice. I am watching the Australian distributor site daily to buy one the instant it is available.

And a wise choice of aircraft too as you can't go wrong with most of the BNF aircraft. I have several and they fly nicely and have been reliable for many years.

Good luck and enjoy this great hobby.

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