72 MHz or 2.4
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I bought some fuel and a glow plug igniter for my yard sale plane today. The plane is a Hanger 9 Arrow with an evolution glow engine. I bench tested the evolution. I used a chicken stick to start it. It fired right up and ran great. My 72 MHz radio should arrive tomorrow thanks to ka8jvx who is giving it to me. I am getting started in this hobby for less than a 100 bucks. This has given me a chance to enter the hobby without breaking the bank. If I lose the Arrow , I hardly have any money in it or hours building. I am sure my next radio will be a 2.4 I won't add additional 72 MHz equipment. I was only going to use it because my plane already had a 72 receiver.
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Probably looks identical to a 72Mhz one. Big, long, silver fishing pole of an antenna on the TX and 4-5 foot piece of wire hanging out the RX. I'd expect RF wise there're few more changes than just a loading coil but with 36Mhz being half of 72Mhz they might have some simple (cheap) tricks to make them work in their respective markets. RF guys tend to have sneaky ways to pull all sorts of information out of thin air...
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I had an F&M reed system, a C&S AM digital proportional system, a Futaba FM proportional system, and a Futaba PCM proportional system.They all worked just fine, but I got rid of them because they were obsolete
#57
Hey John could you please ask your young whippersnappers how to reverse a non-programable digital servo. On anolog servos you reverse the 2 outer wires on the pot and the +- on the motor. The digital ones I have now have white and black on the outside of the pot and red in the center.
#58
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I'm glad you have good equipment to use, L8cruiser. I hope you are getting some instruction. The Arrow is a nice flying plane, but it is fast enough to get away from you if you don't have some basic piloting skills. Most guys who try to teach themselves to fly wind up crashing a lot and spending a lot of money and time on repairs. Many quit out of frustration before ever completing a single damage free flight. Most guys who get an instructor wind up learning quickly and often pass on their trainers to new beginners later on. Take some of the money you've saved by finding a great deal at a yard sale to join a club and get with an instructor that knows what he's doing.
#59
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I see that you're from the home of the unabomber, so here is a list of clubs within driving distance you might consider.
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[TD]NIAGARA COUNTY RC MAC
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[TD]Phone: 716-838-4291
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[TD]WNY SAILPLANE&ELECTRIC FLYERS
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[TD]1883[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]ANDREW LUCHOWSKI
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[TD]Phone: 716-662-0505
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[TD]2[/TD]
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[TD]RC PULSERS OF WESTERN NY
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[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]RICHARD PRATT
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[TD]Phone: 716-683-6632
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[TD]62[/TD]
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[TD]Phone: 716-400-2265
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[/TD]
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[TD]LAKE ONTARIO R/C FLYERS
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[TD]3898[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]ROSS NIVER
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[TD]Phone: 716-778-7194
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[/TD]
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[TD]Phone: 716.741.1154
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[/TD]
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[TD]NIAGARA COUNTY RC MAC
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[TD]Phone: 716-741-4875
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[TD]WING AND ROTOR OF WESTERN NEW YORK
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[TD]MARK RAWLS
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[TD]Phone: 716-838-4291
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[TD]NIAGARA SUNDAY FLIERS, INC.
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[TD]1883[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
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[TD]RC PULSERS OF WESTERN NY
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#60
I see that you're from the home of the unabomber, so here is a list of clubs within driving distance you might consider.
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[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]LAKE ONTARIO R/C FLYERS
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7.27 miles
[/TD]
[TD]3898
[/TD]
[TD]31
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[TD]ROSS NIVER
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[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-778-7194
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[/TD]
[TD]2
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[/TD]
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[TD]BROOKFIELD R/C FLYING CLUB
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[/TD]
[TD]4661
[/TD]
[TD]20
[/TD]
[TD]WILLIAM MARFURT
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716.741.1154
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NIAGARA COUNTY RC MAC
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9.22 miles
[/TD]
[TD]747
[/TD]
[TD]35
[/TD]
[TD]RICHARD BATTAGLIA
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-741-4875
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]WING AND ROTOR OF WESTERN NEW YORK
Flying Site Details
14.04 miles
[/TD]
[TD]2477
[/TD]
[TD]60
[/TD]
[TD]MARK RAWLS
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-838-4291
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NIAGARA SUNDAY FLIERS, INC.
Flying Site Details
15.08 miles
[/TD]
[TD]779
[/TD]
[TD]26
[/TD]
[TD]DIANE LETOURNEAU
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716.297.0229
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]WNY SAILPLANE&ELECTRIC FLYERS
16.49 miles
[/TD]
[TD]1883
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD]ANDREW LUCHOWSKI
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-662-0505
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]RC PULSERS OF WESTERN NY
Flying Site Details
17.91 miles
[/TD]
[TD]476
[/TD]
[TD]57
[/TD]
[TD]RICHARD PRATT
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-683-6632
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD]Yes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]RC AIRCRAFTERS OF W.N.Y.
Flying Site Details
22.95 miles
[/TD]
[TD]925
[/TD]
[TD]62
[/TD]
[TD]ANDREW BROSE
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-400-2265
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 700"]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]BRAUERS AVIATORS
Flying Site Details
0.00 miles
[/TD]
[TD]1612
[/TD]
[TD]47
[/TD]
[TD]DAVID RACZKA
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-684-2122
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD]Yes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LAKE ONTARIO R/C FLYERS
Flying Site Details
7.27 miles
[/TD]
[TD]3898
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD]ROSS NIVER
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-778-7194
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD]Yes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]BROOKFIELD R/C FLYING CLUB
Flying Site Details
8.51 miles
[/TD]
[TD]4661
[/TD]
[TD]20
[/TD]
[TD]WILLIAM MARFURT
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716.741.1154
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NIAGARA COUNTY RC MAC
Flying Site Details
9.22 miles
[/TD]
[TD]747
[/TD]
[TD]35
[/TD]
[TD]RICHARD BATTAGLIA
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-741-4875
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]WING AND ROTOR OF WESTERN NEW YORK
Flying Site Details
14.04 miles
[/TD]
[TD]2477
[/TD]
[TD]60
[/TD]
[TD]MARK RAWLS
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-838-4291
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NIAGARA SUNDAY FLIERS, INC.
Flying Site Details
15.08 miles
[/TD]
[TD]779
[/TD]
[TD]26
[/TD]
[TD]DIANE LETOURNEAU
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716.297.0229
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]WNY SAILPLANE&ELECTRIC FLYERS
16.49 miles
[/TD]
[TD]1883
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD]ANDREW LUCHOWSKI
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-662-0505
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]RC PULSERS OF WESTERN NY
Flying Site Details
17.91 miles
[/TD]
[TD]476
[/TD]
[TD]57
[/TD]
[TD]RICHARD PRATT
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-683-6632
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[TD]Yes
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F7F6F3"]
[TD]RC AIRCRAFTERS OF W.N.Y.
Flying Site Details
22.95 miles
[/TD]
[TD]925
[/TD]
[TD]62
[/TD]
[TD]ANDREW BROSE
Email Contact
[/TD]
[TD]Phone: 716-400-2265
Visit Website
[/TD]
[TD]2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
#61
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Ah, I need to pay better attention to user names. I meant to help the OP by referring him to clubs in his area, but I see now that he hasn't set his location. For your servo issue, it would be better to start a new thread so this one stays on topic.
#62
Why is it that every time someone asks about radios we have to have this 72mhz vs. 2.4ghz conversation again? 72mhz equipment isn't even being made anymore. That's how much the community has embraced 2.4ghz technology and how good the newer equipment is. Yes, there are a few older guys who were happy with 72mhz before and are still happy with it now, much the same as there are a few older guys who drive carbureted vehicles even though fuel injection makes an engine so much more efficient and trouble free. The OP got a 72mhz radio for free so he should use it (assuming it passes a thorough range check). When he's ready to invest in more capable radios, he should buy 2.4ghz (actually will have to buy one unless he goes the very used route). That's really all that needs to be said on the matter IMO.
#63
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Hey John could you please ask your young whippersnappers how to reverse a non-programable digital servo. On anolog servos you reverse the 2 outer wires on the pot and the +- on the motor. The digital ones I have now have white and black on the outside of the pot and red in the center.
although you could get a pair of 'budget minded' programmable digital servos.
#64
hey Mike.. What servo specifically? I know some digital servos have magnetic or optical feedback circuits, or have the motor soldered directly to the board, (in all of these cases you're out of luck reversing with a soldering iron)
although you could get a pair of 'budget minded' programmable digital servos.
although you could get a pair of 'budget minded' programmable digital servos.
#65
I have used dozens of these, and I have used them with the EXI servos ( aka Hextronics, TowerPro, etc... ) with no problems nor drift.
Click on the link below. Gotta love the price too.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html
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hmm, in that case, you should still be able to swap the 2 wires to the motor and the 2 outboard wires on the pot. (leaving the center wire on the pot as it is)
Jester IS right tho..
Check this thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tips...d-servo-2.html
Jester IS right tho..
Check this thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tips...d-servo-2.html
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Going to 2.4 GHz doesn't have anything to do with how good it is. It is simply a matter of cost. There is no reason that 72MHz could not have frequency hopping, spread spectrum technology. Nor is there any reason that 2.4GHz couldn't have stayed with the PPM/PCM technology. Both FREQUENCIES have their inherent issues - neither is BETTER. It's the use of better RF modulation techniques that makes it BETTER. The 72MHz wavelength doesn't lend it self to highly integrated circuit transmitter/receiver/processor technology. That means it will be bigger, use more power and most importantily, cost more in large production runs. It's not the fact that it's 2.4GHz that gives the protection and versatility of the new radios, it's that it can be integrated into a cheap chip.
In a previous post I listed disadvantages of 72. Please tell me of the ones you dont agree with and why.
#69
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I think this conversation about radio bands should really move to the clubhouse. There are some old guys who will never accept the new stuff, and there are some new guys who think their planes will spontaneously auger in if they use a radio more than 5 years old. Both are wrong. We have solved the OP's problem and answered his questions. Can the bickering about radio bands please end now?
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to each his own i dont think that all people got the money to spend on this hobby>> do what they can to enjoy it >> ive been on 72 for 20 yrs now no wrecks from it only one time i had a wreck and that was from a dead receiver battery>> today in this world people do the best they can with what they got do you have to buy the best to try and be someone if you cant be happy for someone dont say anything>>
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.OK
Just one last point
SS transmission is a huge break trough in RF transmission. I have seen some specification sheets that claim 40db in processor gain.
This allows communication on 2.4 in spite of the greater propergation loss over 72mhz.
If you have the means you are foolish not to take advantage of it.
Just one last point
SS transmission is a huge break trough in RF transmission. I have seen some specification sheets that claim 40db in processor gain.
This allows communication on 2.4 in spite of the greater propergation loss over 72mhz.
If you have the means you are foolish not to take advantage of it.
#72
There is a good reason you can't have spread spectrum on 72. You don\.t have the necessary bandwidth. On 72 you are limited to 10kc. On 2.4 you have a bandwidth of 400mh. Thats more room than 72 is from 0.
In a previous post I listed disadvantages of 72. Please tell me of the ones you dont agree with and why.
In a previous post I listed disadvantages of 72. Please tell me of the ones you dont agree with and why.
#73
hmm, in that case, you should still be able to swap the 2 wires to the motor and the 2 outboard wires on the pot. (leaving the center wire on the pot as it is)
Jester IS right tho..
Check this thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tips...d-servo-2.html
Jester IS right tho..
Check this thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tips...d-servo-2.html
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You cannot have spread spectrum but you can have frequency hop. Also a lot of the old shared bands for phone pagers are no longer or little used, they could be brought (or is it bought?) in to be used for spread spctrum. About using more prower, I think that we basically abandoned 72 about the time designers were designing the next generation of digitally controlled radio gear for all products. Thus there were no erricient new designs for 72.
The old phone pager bands would not support SS either.
#75
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I'll add that 72 MHz is actually a much better frequency to use than 2.4 GHz for communications between omni-directional antennas. This is because the path loss at 72 MHz is much lower than at 2.4 GHz. Path loss is an unavoidable result of physics that is related to the physical versus electrical size of the antennas we use.
Unfortunately, 2.4 GHz was the band that was available to the developers. I don't think the FCC would allow CDMA (spread spectrum) on 72 MHz. Other services use that band and the process of quickly hopping actually generates a continuum of bandwidth, not just discrete channels.
So we are stuck with 2.4 GHz and the designers have done a good job of overcoming the inherent disadvantage of 2.4 to give us very workable systems.
Unfortunately, 2.4 GHz was the band that was available to the developers. I don't think the FCC would allow CDMA (spread spectrum) on 72 MHz. Other services use that band and the process of quickly hopping actually generates a continuum of bandwidth, not just discrete channels.
So we are stuck with 2.4 GHz and the designers have done a good job of overcoming the inherent disadvantage of 2.4 to give us very workable systems.