GallopingGhostler

Donny, that location is the MADS RC Club several miles north of Clovis city. We're encroached by dairy farmers and a quarter mile oval dirt race track. We have a paved runway system done some 35 years ago. Land belongs to the city. If you ever get a chance to put that Ringmaster in the air, you'll enjoy the joy we've had over flying these venerable CL jobs. Some of the RC'ers watching us fly have commented that they'd like to give it a try. I like it because I don't have to worry about charging transmitter batteries to go flying.

donnyman

long!

GallopingGhostler

Ryan STA? That ought to be a really nice flier in that size, Donny.

FlyerInOKC

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This is a Ryan SC model. I am planning two the SC-M prototype and the SC-W production model. See below

First the prototype, sorry all the pictures are from 1937 so no color photos exist.



Now the production model, photo #4 is the airbrake used in place of flaps!

Johnrmont

Hi ... I am fairly new to the forum here and have been involved in many aspects of R/C for over flirty years ... It's great looking over some the posts here on the old timers secrion ... Some great memories! My very first plane, that I flew anyway, was a Cox PT-19 control line plane (all plastic). It was fun and durable ... Had to be based on some of my less then perfect landings!
I wonder if anyone here might have a set of instructions for a 20+ old Carl Goldberg Anniversary Edition Cub? I have built a couple of them 25+ years ago and would love to have or borrow them. I will copy them and send them back to whoever might have them. This kit is missing some parts but with me having the plans I can replicate them ... I'm just very rusty as I haven't built anything for so long. Thanks so much and if you wish me to put this request in another area let me know.
John

GallopingGhostler

Seems a good number learned CL on a Cox PT-19. I never had one, but Figure-9'd several other Cox RTF's with one-shot flights. Working on a poultry farm after high school in 1970 or 71, just bought a new Cox L-5 Stinson Sentinel in beautiful gloss olive with clear windows and better decals than the later ones, crash was worthy of an NTSB accident investigation with parts scattered all over the place. Only trophy is the Cox .049 290 donor engine from it. Learned on a Sterling Beginner's Eindecker. Crashed many times, straightened landing gear and aluminum motor mount, flew again. Balsa flies better and stands up to crashes better.

John, download link for your manual is at: http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/.../gpma0963.html

GallopingGhostler

Ryan SC is a classic and not often modeled airplane like in the past. I have an unbuilt Comet rubber powered model of the SC with in-line engine I bought from AHC in the early 1990's on closeout clearance. This was also the first Comet kit I built as a 4th or 5th grader in the mid '60s. Came with Comet's famous black tissue.

They make beautiful RC models, looking forward to your build.

donnyman

I concur, It is a very interesting bird, you wont find many at the flying site for sure.

FlyerinOKC

Are you planning the inline version or radial, which I think is most unique. are you building from plans? I assume you will use flitemetal covering for that shiney metal look.
Please keep us current with your build.

donnyman

A coincidence...The actor Harrison Ford just busted up a radial engined ryan sta in california. He is ok but the Ryan will need a lot of TLC. the engine quit shortly after takeoff and he put it into a golf course,

stuntflyr

A PT-22 is really an Ryan STK. Nice day for flying yesterday, I wonder what gave up on the PT?
Chris...

GallopingGhostler

Engine trouble, tried to return to airport, lost power, forced to land immediately at nearby golf course, clipped trees and came down hard at steep angle, breaking off engine assembly.

HoundDog

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GallopingGhostler:
Still have 4 C/L planes hanging on the basement wall from when my 11 year old son now 37 and I got int R/C.
One a profile Sterling I put an an R/C 40 on and a battery box and servo. and his car receiver. He could land take off and taxi the plane. Had a whole bunch of guys getting all upset till (at an R/C fun fly) they found out it was on 75 Mhz not 72 Mhz.

rt3232

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well guys having about 10 hrs logged in a PT-22 and a few not logged, that bird is not for the timed, But with power it is a fun bird to fly,aven with an idling engine it handle's good, and the Kenner engine normally is a good engine

Cheers Bob T

GallopingGhostler

You did the right thing by putting it on 75 MHz land frequency, since it is technically not an RC airplane being tethered. Too bad this word didn't get out first off and others jumped to conclusions on it. Do plan any time soon, HoundDog to fly those CL planes?

donnyman

You fired up my memory banks ....The 5 cylinder Kinner radial was the first real engine I ever work on. In high school we had several, as a freshman I had to tear it down and do a rebuild. I was rather disappointed of the simplicity of it and still remember much of it's construction. them four years went very fast for me, loved my aviation training. the last one I saw was at the Kingsbury TX. airport.

FlyerInOKC

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That Comet kit was the first I ever built and got me hooked on the hobby!

As a matter of fact I have parts to build both the 1937 Ryan SC-M prototype and the 1938 Ryan SC-W production model. I am planning on using arofoil for the shiny parts.

http://www.aero-accessories.com/Builders.html

donnyman

I am considering using a foil to cover ny mustang it's the stuff used the make air conditioning ducts it's cheap and has and adhesive side. I tried some small patches and it's looking pretty good.

trainermaster80

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Hey dave, i have been trying to reach you on your request for a muffler & other items. I am 86 and selling out my supplies. I may have stuff you need what engine do you need the muffler for? Trainermaster80

Redtail_Customs

Trainermaster 80' whats re you getting rid of. I just moved to theSt. Louis area last,oct. Have family here and decided to retire here .

Jim

FlyerInOKC

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Harrison Ford wasn't the onlyu pilot that planted one, this was a 1946 model. The pilot is 19 and has been flying for several years and a flight instructor was flying with him. The plane flipped but neither was injured.

GallopingGhostler

That kit build helped to hook me onto balsa model airplane building. Found a photo of the kit:



Build article of the same: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285881

rt3232

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That kit must have come out after wwll as all of the comet kits we could get from about 1939 thru 46 were in white box's with red lettering and the small club we had I La Mesa CA went to built up u-kies Vivall-35 in late 1946, until the O/R 23 & 60 came along
I don't recall ages on hear but at 83 thinking about all this OLD stuff makes my head band hurt.

Cheers Bob T
AMA 13377

GallopingGhostler

Bob, the kit box is from at least the early 1960's. The series these planes came from, some appeared to be refinements of the old dime kits. The wing 1/16th inch trailing edge was replaced with 1/8x1/2. Ribs morphed to 1/16th square with rib front and rib rear of spar glued to side of 1/16th. Judicious carving and sanding wing trailing edge to a wedge to lighten the weight in order to fly well. I didn't get the hang of that until many years later. Plus they came with a tiny narrow width 3.5" (89mm) propeller. Replacing with a 4.5 - 5 inch wide blade propeller made them fly better. Nonetheless, a lot of the scale detail has been simplified, but upsized 3 or 4 times would make nice sport scale RC planes.

My favorite is the Comet Bellanca Junior. I built several of those, love the simpler radial engine cowl front of this plane.

trainermaster80

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Redtail, wellcome to st louis
we have a good flying field if you fly r/c or rubber airplanes. Buder park 141 hiway & 44 hiway.
I am 86 selling all of my model stuff & some ho traines
engines nib kits nib give me your email address and i will send you the list trainermaster 80
prices are lower than tower or other discount houses. Frank

Thunderstones

I'm 70, my Dad was into C/L models and he got me started.

He had an Ohlsson & Rice .23 that he got about the time he got me. I don't know what kind of plane he had it on, but I can remember watching him fly it, and lots more of TRYING to get it to go. Back then, the only batteries we had for model planes were carbon, and by today's standards you'd call one of those that was still fresh, "DEAD". The O&R was a spark engine. Lots of times, he's (finally) get it started with the big telephone battery, then switch it over to the lighter weight onboard pack, and it would die like you had just shut it off. Poor connections, dead batteries, it's a wonder that Dad didn't drink. I still have that O&R, mounted on a neat little stand under a glass dome on my shelf.

Those big old telephone batteries cost a lot - around $15 or more in todays' dollars - and you didn't just toss them when they got weak. You just kept trying. You would try to squeeze the last use out of them by connecting two or even three of them together. I had a source of slightly used "C" cells, and usually soldered several of them together to light my glow plugs. There was still a LOT of frustration.

Dad finally screwed a glow plug into the old O&R, and flew the heck out of it after that. A fella he worked with also flew C/L, and we often got together to fly. Bob - Dad's friend - had also converted over to glow. Unfortunately, he'd built his plane with glue that wasn't fuel proof. One day on about the sixth lap, his plane just disassembled itself in mid-air. I still have a video in my head of him flying with his pipe at a jaunty angle, and watching that pipe droop down as the pieces of his plane fell to the ground.

My first plane was a Wen-Mac Aeromite, a plastic ready-to fly model. Santa brought it to me, but he didn't give me any fuel. Back then, you could only get fuel at the hobby shop, and they weren't open until Monday. That was a LONG weekend for me, and I was so anxious to fly it, I could hardly breathe! I flew that plane for 3 or 4 years. The plastics in those days weren't what we have now, and near the end I had the plane all taped together (remember black friction tape?) because the screws that held the fuselage together couldn't hold onto the rotten plastic anymore. Later, I used that Wen-Mac engine on many of the heavy balsa kits that were made for .049's. I was in the seventh grade before I made a plane with ribs.

I remember Dad showing me how to prop a motor so that I wouldn't get cut when the engine hit. At first, he only let me crank .049's, the O&R was "too big for me". And I remember many times holding his plane for launch while he ran out to pick up the control handle. Dad never balanced a prop, and there were times when I couldn't feel whether I still had hold of the plane or not, the vibration was so bad. While I was still really small, maybe 6 years old, he had join him in the middle of the circle. He gave me the control handle (A U-Reely, remember those?) and put his hand over mine to teach me to fly. I remember the flight when he took his hand off mine but kept it close - I WAS FLYING! I felt ten feet tall!

Dad wasn't much on finesse, he built planes heavy to survive a crash. I remember a Flite Streak that he had: he planked the wings with 1/16" balsa, and then fiberglassed the whole plane. It weighed a ton, but I once pulled eight consecutive loops with it. While I was in the Air Force, I helped organize a club. Getting together with a lot of other guys, I learned a LOT. Now, I build them LIGHT. While I was in that club, I built my own Flite Streak and made it as light as possible. Best C/L plane I ever had.

Glue has come a long ways too. I used to use Comet extra-fast drying cement. Poor choice. It didn't get as good a bond as slower drying glue, and it dried hard and stiff. My planes didn't bounce very well, they were brittle.

Radio control was never an option for us. The cost/reliability ratio wasn't good enough. Free flight wasn't very practical for us either, as I was a city boy. There were no open spaces to fly a free flight plane that had an engine. Well, you could say that I flew some free flight. There was the A.J hornet and the A.J Pursuit, two rubber powered models that were almost ready to fly, I went through many of those. I don't remember which was which, but one cost a quarter and the other was half a dollar. I didn't have as many of the 50-cent ones. There were also some neat free-flight gliders that you would catapult with a rubber band on a stick. Before launch, you would rotate the wings to vertical and them fold them back along the fuselage. At apogee, springs would pop the wings back into position and it would glide from there. ....Unless you launched at too low an angle, then it did the lawn dart thing.

Today, I fly radio control exclusively, although I have six C/L models hanging in the garage. Thanks to diminishing vision and reflexes, I fly a lot of electric motor gliders. They do everything in slow motion, so I can keep up with them. Also, the large wings help me keep orientation.