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06-26-2015, 08:14 AM
#1576
Sure - easy. Top of page has line with "Settings", click that. Left side of the page that comes up has "edit profile" click that and you're there - about half way down the page.
06-26-2015, 09:29 AM
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Having said what I said in the last post, there is a little rider to it. I got down to my chosen area of retirement in the middle of France, just after lunch time on Wednesday 24th June. I went round to the local flying field. There were two retired Dutchmen there, William and Kees but we were quickly joined by a Frenchman, Francois and a Begian called Gerrard. Conversations were carried out in a mixture of Dutch, French, Flemish and English, Gerrard being fluent in all four languages. We were all in our sixties; William and Kees were novices with two incredibly battered trainers and were waiting for Francois to teach them how to fly. Kees had an E-Flite Apprentice while William had an i/c ARTF trainer which had been patched in yellow doped tissue! They had a bit of trouble with the elevator servo but soon got it sorted out and took off. The model seemed to fly very well but after a few minutes Francois brought it in and had the wing off again pronouncing the elevator servo "hors service." Francois had earlier phoned the police to complain that a farmer had started a fire which had set fire to a large area of grass; it's hot and dry here and this international gathering was soon visited by two heavily armed gendarmes wearing bullet-proof vests. What they did about the fire I don't know but they stayed for an hour to watch us fly.
Francois demonstrated his quadcopter but crashed it into his legs as he landed it breaking one of the rotors. You should have seen us all jumping out of the way! I then flew my Foam-E WOT 4, a high wing electric sports model and managed a good landing after a few aerobatics. Then Kees put a battery into his Apprentice but stood in front of it and and absent mindedly operated the throttle. It's a good job he was wearing long trousers as the propeller would have cut his legs if he had worn shorts. As it was, with the propeller suddenly stopping, it overloaded the speed controller and ruined it, so he couldn't fly. By now the younger policeman was very interested in my model. He asked me what would be required to get airbourne and how much things cost. I explained that it was not a beginner's model but a good second or third model and proceeded to demonstrate how slowly it could be flown before I opened the taps and chucked it about. Loops, rolls, Immelmans, Cuban, Vertical and Horizontal Eights and inverted flight before I brought it down to a good landing on the club's perfect but rather narrow tarmac strip. I think I heard applause!
Then Gerrard took off on the maiden flight of his De Havilland Beaver. The model climbed well enough then dropped its starboard wing and crashed into the corn. Seen it before. Inexperienced pilot freezes at the controls. Gerrard was brave and honest enough to admit that the crash was his fault and the model is repairable, and then he said, "You are the only one to have flown successfully today!"
Which only goes to show that we all have good days and bad days!
A bientot.
David
Francois demonstrated his quadcopter but crashed it into his legs as he landed it breaking one of the rotors. You should have seen us all jumping out of the way! I then flew my Foam-E WOT 4, a high wing electric sports model and managed a good landing after a few aerobatics. Then Kees put a battery into his Apprentice but stood in front of it and and absent mindedly operated the throttle. It's a good job he was wearing long trousers as the propeller would have cut his legs if he had worn shorts. As it was, with the propeller suddenly stopping, it overloaded the speed controller and ruined it, so he couldn't fly. By now the younger policeman was very interested in my model. He asked me what would be required to get airbourne and how much things cost. I explained that it was not a beginner's model but a good second or third model and proceeded to demonstrate how slowly it could be flown before I opened the taps and chucked it about. Loops, rolls, Immelmans, Cuban, Vertical and Horizontal Eights and inverted flight before I brought it down to a good landing on the club's perfect but rather narrow tarmac strip. I think I heard applause!
Then Gerrard took off on the maiden flight of his De Havilland Beaver. The model climbed well enough then dropped its starboard wing and crashed into the corn. Seen it before. Inexperienced pilot freezes at the controls. Gerrard was brave and honest enough to admit that the crash was his fault and the model is repairable, and then he said, "You are the only one to have flown successfully today!"
Which only goes to show that we all have good days and bad days!
A bientot.
David
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07-01-2015, 10:11 AM
#1580
I designed and built this about 10 years ago. My wife likes to fly a kite so it was supposed to be easy to fly like a kite. Originally powered it with a Cox.049 but it was so temperamental that it just wasn't fun. I bought a electric helicopter but it is just no good so I took the motor,speed control and battery and put them in the glider. It has a 60" span and weights about 1.5lbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGc5IFNN2HM
07-02-2015, 06:32 AM
#1582
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Joe
That is a very nice flying bird! and a excellent size. You might consider offering the design to a magazine or something so others could enjoy your fine work.
Just a thought...............Donny
That is a very nice flying bird! and a excellent size. You might consider offering the design to a magazine or something so others could enjoy your fine work.
Just a thought...............Donny
07-02-2015, 01:30 PM
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Guess I'm old enough to post here....will turn 78 in just a few months.....geeeeeeeeeeeesh time does fly.
Back in the mid fifties I built, from a kit, an Ace Commander radio set. It did work, well most of the time anyway, and I did manage to interrupt the very stable flying Mambo I put it in every once in awhile...
Both model and radio are long gone and I am now planning on another Mambo with more reliable control system. Would any of you gents/ladies happen to have a decent picture of the older Ace Transmitter (the one that only had two things on the face, an on/off switch and sort of a doorbell button). Would like to make a waterslide if I can find a decent picture of one. TIA,
Don
Back in the mid fifties I built, from a kit, an Ace Commander radio set. It did work, well most of the time anyway, and I did manage to interrupt the very stable flying Mambo I put it in every once in awhile...
Both model and radio are long gone and I am now planning on another Mambo with more reliable control system. Would any of you gents/ladies happen to have a decent picture of the older Ace Transmitter (the one that only had two things on the face, an on/off switch and sort of a doorbell button). Would like to make a waterslide if I can find a decent picture of one. TIA,Don
07-02-2015, 04:31 PM
#1584
Guess I'm old enough to post here....will turn 78 in just a few months.....geeeeeeeeeeeesh time does fly.
Back in the mid fifties I built, from a kit, an Ace Commander radio set. It did work, well most of the time anyway, and I did manage to interrupt the very stable flying Mambo I put it in every once in awhile... Both model and radio are long gone and I am now planning on another Mambo with more reliable control system. Would any of you gents/ladies happen to have a decent picture of the older Ace Transmitter (the one that only had two things on the face, an on/off switch and sort of a doorbell button). Would like to make a waterslide if I can find a decent picture of one. TIA,
Don
Back in the mid fifties I built, from a kit, an Ace Commander radio set. It did work, well most of the time anyway, and I did manage to interrupt the very stable flying Mambo I put it in every once in awhile...
Both model and radio are long gone and I am now planning on another Mambo with more reliable control system. Would any of you gents/ladies happen to have a decent picture of the older Ace Transmitter (the one that only had two things on the face, an on/off switch and sort of a doorbell button). Would like to make a waterslide if I can find a decent picture of one. TIA,Don
Good luck with your Ace Commander.
Sincerely, Richard
07-02-2015, 07:34 PM
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Howdy Richard,
That's a very nice looking MM and I had thought about building it but nostalgia took over and the 48" is what I had in '56. Maybe the next one might be the MM. As to the Ace Commander radio, it's not in my plans. Was just trying to find a decent picture of the transmitter. Planned on adorning the plane with a water slide decal of it (again nostalgia working on me...). I think that radio was the first one Ace put out. It was prior to the pulse ones.
It was very interesting, to say the least, to try and fly RC back then....LOL
Don
That's a very nice looking MM and I had thought about building it but nostalgia took over and the 48" is what I had in '56. Maybe the next one might be the MM. As to the Ace Commander radio, it's not in my plans. Was just trying to find a decent picture of the transmitter. Planned on adorning the plane with a water slide decal of it (again nostalgia working on me...
). I think that radio was the first one Ace put out. It was prior to the pulse ones. It was very interesting, to say the least, to try and fly RC back then....LOL
Don
07-02-2015, 07:55 PM
#1586
It was to humid to dope my Cub today so I worked on the Charger.
Well I thought my computer wasn't working so now we have 3 pictures the same.
Put the top and fin on. I left the bottom off to work on the servo installation
Put a crank pin on the servo so it would work like an escapement.
Here is the servo connected to the toque
rod. Servo deflecting toque rod for right rudder.
For those not familiar with escapements this is one it is powered with a rubber band. The wheel on the back has a hook for the rubber band. It has a relay that pulls the palls and let the crank rotate. When you hold the key on transmitter it stops in the first position that is right rudder. When you key the transmitter and then hold it goes through right rudder and stops on left rudder.If you key the transmitter two times and hold it goes through right and left and stops on up elevator. Then you can have second escapement when you quick blip the key it operates the throttle escapement.
07-03-2015, 04:19 PM
#1587
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brnr
HI ! your avatar name looks like a abreviation of my first name (Brenner) and yes you do qualify for this site ya got four years on me.
I had a mambo back in the fifties and tried to build my radio's but nothing worked until heathkit. free plans for the mambo are available on the Outterzone site. You might try getting the picture you want simply by keying in the name on your web browser. And yes time doues seem to fly by and feelis like it's speeding up.
welcome.................Donny
HI ! your avatar name looks like a abreviation of my first name (Brenner) and yes you do qualify for this site ya got four years on me.
I had a mambo back in the fifties and tried to build my radio's but nothing worked until heathkit. free plans for the mambo are available on the Outterzone site. You might try getting the picture you want simply by keying in the name on your web browser. And yes time doues seem to fly by and feelis like it's speeding up.
welcome.................Donny
07-04-2015, 07:52 PM
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Hi Donny,
Thanks for the warm welcome. I already have the plans off the Outterzone site and have loaded them into my CAD program as I wanted to do a couple of mods before starting the build. Also found that a few of the parts are iffy as to fit.
The radio I built in the mid 50's was the Ace Commander. Ordered the kit from an ad in Popular Mechanics, if my memory serves me well....LOL
I had a K&B Torp .15 in it. Had two needle valves, I think it was K&B's first try at developing an RC engine for escapements. Set one needle for high speed, the other for low speed and hope you could click that button fast enough and time it right to change speeds. Never did get that to work right.
I was able to get the radio working........well, sort of anyway. The Mambo was a very stable flying plane and that was a big advantage to me and that Commander. Trimmed out like a free flight it would climb lazily in a circle and when out of fuel would just turn around and glide back down. If I got daring, I could occasionally interrupt it's flight path with a click of the button. It was indeed challenging in those days, nothing like today's RC.
I've tried my browser, several searches, and have pretty much given up on a picture of that old radio. But I did locate a picture of an old Orbit single channel, same vintage and looks pretty much as I remember the Ace. A little Photoshop on that and I think it'll do.....
Have a good one,
Don
Thanks for the warm welcome. I already have the plans off the Outterzone site and have loaded them into my CAD program as I wanted to do a couple of mods before starting the build. Also found that a few of the parts are iffy as to fit.
The radio I built in the mid 50's was the Ace Commander. Ordered the kit from an ad in Popular Mechanics, if my memory serves me well....LOL
I had a K&B Torp .15 in it. Had two needle valves, I think it was K&B's first try at developing an RC engine for escapements. Set one needle for high speed, the other for low speed and hope you could click that button fast enough and time it right to change speeds. Never did get that to work right.
I was able to get the radio working........well, sort of anyway. The Mambo was a very stable flying plane and that was a big advantage to me and that Commander. Trimmed out like a free flight it would climb lazily in a circle and when out of fuel would just turn around and glide back down. If I got daring, I could occasionally interrupt it's flight path with a click of the button. It was indeed challenging in those days, nothing like today's RC.
I've tried my browser, several searches, and have pretty much given up on a picture of that old radio. But I did locate a picture of an old Orbit single channel, same vintage and looks pretty much as I remember the Ace. A little Photoshop on that and I think it'll do.....
Have a good one,
Don
07-05-2015, 05:53 AM
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I got the plans for the mambo from the same source it is a fantastic site. I remember the way the mambo flew. back in the early 60's on Williams A.F.B. my friend had a mambo and launched it on the back side of the base on a perimeter road well away from everything,
That mambo climbed like a homesick angel and the radio worked for a while (don't remember the brand) when the radio stopped responding the engine kept running and pulled it toward the flight line, well we had a time keeping up with it only to end up about ten feet away from the taxi way it was the weeknd and no airtraffic, but we managed to stop a T-33 taxing to the end of the runway for takeoff.
The mambo landed on the other side of the taxiway on the grass just as nice as you please The pilot and passenger were enjoying the view laughing and pointing at the bird then waved at us and continued on it's way. we retrieved the mambo just as the air police arrived ................the officer of the day was not amused but did ask a lot of questions about R/c and the plane. that was my second incident with a r/c bird at Williams.
I think the ace commader was advertised by America's hobby shop in N.Y. back in the day I 'll keep a eye out for it.
That mambo climbed like a homesick angel and the radio worked for a while (don't remember the brand) when the radio stopped responding the engine kept running and pulled it toward the flight line, well we had a time keeping up with it only to end up about ten feet away from the taxi way it was the weeknd and no airtraffic, but we managed to stop a T-33 taxing to the end of the runway for takeoff.
The mambo landed on the other side of the taxiway on the grass just as nice as you please The pilot and passenger were enjoying the view laughing and pointing at the bird then waved at us and continued on it's way. we retrieved the mambo just as the air police arrived ................the officer of the day was not amused but did ask a lot of questions about R/c and the plane. that was my second incident with a r/c bird at Williams.
I think the ace commader was advertised by America's hobby shop in N.Y. back in the day I 'll keep a eye out for it.
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07-09-2015, 02:22 PM
#1590
The first picture I am Epoxying the gear on. Then gluing the bottom on. I hope it will fly with the Cox.15 .It has the only glow plug that I know of to exist. Back in 1982 I got my first JR radio and I built from plans a Burkely Bergader 1940 era free flight with rudder elevator and throttle.And used this Cox .15 It really liked to fly my son was 11 I would start it and launch it,He would throttle back and I would go off for an hour and when I would come back he would still be flying it. It has been to humid to dope on my Cub this week so I have been working on the Charger. Now I need to take it out to the hanger and dope it.
07-12-2015, 08:18 AM
#1592
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J. Fisher
that bird your building is very nostalgic and looks very much like the mambo! I 've looked at it several times and it evoked a flood of memories.
Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
Been thinking of putting one together until I remember I have too many as it is, the senior falcon bashed to look like a skylrk has been running through my brain also.
Please give us some more pictures when you can.
that bird your building is very nostalgic and looks very much like the mambo! I 've looked at it several times and it evoked a flood of memories.
Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
Been thinking of putting one together until I remember I have too many as it is, the senior falcon bashed to look like a skylrk has been running through my brain also.
Please give us some more pictures when you can.
07-12-2015, 08:37 AM
#1593
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I am not sure anyone is interested but I thought I'd show the progress I made on my mustang.
The aluminum panel is from momma's cooking foil, I glued it on with 3m 77 spray on adhesive, so far it look's ok.
I am still sanding some ares of this thing but could not resist trying the foil out, I will do most of the plane this way. Just had to try it!
I am still sanding some ares of this thing but could not resist trying the foil out, I will do most of the plane this way. Just had to try it!
07-13-2015, 07:52 AM
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I am not sure anyone is interested but I thought I'd show the progress I made on my mustang.
The aluminum panel is from momma's cooking foil, I glued it on with 3m 77 spray on adhesive, so far it look's ok.
I am still sanding some ares of this thing but could not resist trying the foil out, I will do most of the plane this way. Just had to try it!
I am still sanding some ares of this thing but could not resist trying the foil out, I will do most of the plane this way. Just had to try it!
I'm away from this thread for a bit and all of a sudden there is monster mustang involved?
What kind of servos are you using in that?
07-13-2015, 11:14 AM
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07-13-2015, 11:24 AM
#1597
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BRIGHTGARDEN
Hi .....I am currently using some old giant size futaba'S Old but new and unused. I've seen them used in other Nosen mustang kit's with success and it is about time I used what I have.
Hi .....I am currently using some old giant size futaba'S Old but new and unused. I've seen them used in other Nosen mustang kit's with success and it is about time I used what I have.
07-13-2015, 12:48 PM
#1599
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Control forces shouldn't be very high this bird isn't the 3D type it's really old school, Like me, But I have a A.J. slick that is made for whippin in the wind.
07-13-2015, 07:58 PM
#1600
That 'Stang is lookin' GOOD! I use the 3M Super-77 for a lot of things but never for anything that was going to be permanent - guess I just don't have the faith that you've got. Gotta admit though, that foil looks awful good sitting there.
I'm kinda assuming, maybe wrongly, that you're using one of the modern radios in her. No worries about signal strength/loss inside the fuse with the foil skin?
I'm kinda assuming, maybe wrongly, that you're using one of the modern radios in her. No worries about signal strength/loss inside the fuse with the foil skin?